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52 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Please provide me  with evidence of all whole meat being injected with preservatives and fillers? Beef product in the US is certainly known to contain excesses of growth promoting chemicals of various kinds which is why many many countries  ban the import of it. Processed meat products in many places also because they are commercial byproduct but which would not  be dissimilar to this tvp type of thing.

And long term a  vegetarian and more so a vegan diet has been repeatedly shown to  NOT be optimal because it leads to a lack of many essential components not found in plant based proteins.

Personally I would  rather trust unadulterated genuine meat than some look alike, taste alike chemically altered and contaminated plasticized vegetable burger patty. I actually have not eaten any  burger of any brand for over 35 years or any reconstituted meat product knowing what it is also likely to contain.

 

 

 

Ok, so this article is generic, but it explains what processing is done and why. But as it's from PETA some people may take issue with it, so my suggestion is read and then search more to verify their claims 

https://www.peta.org/living/food/meat-contamination/

And your supposed studies that show vegetarian or vegan diets to not be nutritionally adequate sound like an anecdote.

The academy of nutrition and dietetics is just one of many dietetic associations around the world to provide peer reviewed studies indicating that well planned vegan diets are nutrionally adequate for all stages of life

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/?fbclid=IwAR1ZpY9PlEIIBAAhrmz-n51CqPMOd-7t7TrZGqKXEXxSV7GSsg6mzhigXLI

19 minutes ago, 473geo said:

I understand the wish to slaughter less animals, not sure how a farting cow is more detrimental to the planet than a diesel or petrol engine, but I'm rather lost as to why people cannot just rustle up oven baked/barbque vegetables, a veggie soup, or a vegetable curry. Maybe open tin of beans!! This type of food appears to be heading in the direction of eating flavoured cardboard.

Methane production. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than C02 (23 x more potent at point of release).

And when you factor in the enormous numbers of cows, pigs, and sheep who all produce gases and astronomical amounts of faeces that isn't processed like the human equivalents are

1 hour ago, Chassa said:

The planet will be fine, no animal life, but until the sun burns out the planet will be fine.

Yeah, but why do animals have to bear the brunt of human supremacy, greed, and destruction.

We are tasked with providing a liveable planet not just for humans.

That's the point. We've earned our destruction. The animals have done no such thing

3 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

maybe, just maybe they will learn a lesson and will stop the scams....  wishful thinking though

Harsh and uncalled for. The man named in the article has a disabled kid.

He sounds like a hard working guy who has fallen on severely hard times.

If he was a tuk tuk driver i'd then have a LOT less sympathy

54 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

The song "Dream On" comes to mind after reading your post.  You can complain all you want, but a Decree and rules with regulations have been made.  Warnings have been given on a daily basis, but then some people want to behave like they know what is best for the rest of the world do what they want.  I get it, I want to do things that I can not do now, but I do not flout the regulations put forth, nor do I try to take the government to task for what I see as a perceived disenfranchising of people and rights.  Maybe you can do it for us, since you seem to understand epidemiology....

I don't care about the restrictions tbh, I obeyed them and was / am happy enough to stay home and make the odd trip to 7/11 or the market.

I am happy enough around my home as there's always plenty to do.

My issue is some of the people calling others irresponsible for not wearing a mask outdoors or even sitting in a public space with their mates for an hour or 2 before going home again.

My 2nd issue is the fact that the government have locked things down but not provided anything financial for those who've been left jobless. My partner hasn't made a baht for almost 2 months, and the govt haven't even acknowledged whether she's eligible for assistance yet.

So back onto the topic at hand. People shouldn't be getting locked up for arbitrary infringements, am sure a stern warning and some advice would have sufficed.

By criminalizing people you're creating new problems on top of existing ones. And by not allowing people to work you're (not you personally) making people more desperate.

The lockdown til June does look like control as confirmed cases are dropping and people do by and large understand their civic duties by now.

9 hours ago, Roadman said:

I gather you are not talking about plant material highly proccessed either in the lab or in a factory as the issue just like processed cuts of meat is the additives are what will do you harm.

Is it where the vegans are heading with lots of soy based products that require the continued cutting down of more South American native forests, encouraged moreso with idiots like Trump slapping tarriffs on China thereby given market opporunity to South American peasant farmers with their matchetes and matches?

Or perhaps its organic plant food which has no quality standards to trace its authenticity claims and which still allows for plant based sprays that are some of the deadliest in the world to both humans and bees?

Or perhaps you just did not know that there are countries in the world that raise animals in a natural outdoor environment on lands that are unsuitable for cropping?

I guess you might know that even 60 years ago prior heavy food processing practice it was common sensible health knowledge then to have your dinner plate one quarter carbs, half of five different veges and a quarter of meat with the emphasis on one word..."whole". And fruit for desert.

And they say humans are getting more intelligent. 

Seriously you need to get educated about plant based diets.

Meat is not necessary for human health or optimal performance. Several dietetic associations around the world list plant based diets as being nutritionally adequate for all stages of life.

And Yale University did a study that concluded that 80% of soy crops grown in South America go to feed livestock which are raised for meat.

Ethics, environment and health are all served better with plant based diets. 

All I will say is open your eyes. Meat based protein isn't a sustainable long term option as it is incredibly inefficient to produce. 

Harvard University did a comparison across Protein sources. Animal proteins were all ranked as more inefficient to produce than whole food (unprocessed), plant based sources.

3 hours ago, Emdog said:

Equivalent to fifteen Sept 11 attacks in US. I will soon need to use my next yardstick, which will be Vietnam war American deaths, 55,000. Any day now at this rate.

Look how many die each year from obesity related illnesses. Dwarfs these numbers.

America's politics are a mess. The pharma industry has made Americans' health as a collective some of the shakiest on earth.

Covid19 is just another agent to pick these eternally unwell people off. It's a shame that most Americans won't see the bigger picture here

A vile, repulsive and inherently cruel industry. They should get nothing.

Donate eggs to the needy if oversupply is a problem.

Animal agriculture is a chief cause of zoonotic diseases. How many avian influenza strains do we need to be exposed to before people get the message I wonder.