richard_smith237

If involved in something quite serious, I reckon a passport would be the last thing on my mind !! But it may be one of the first things on the mind of the police dealing with the issue.

I’d like to see which school employs a teacher such as yourself who seems to believe it's acceptable to raise hand to a child or a woman.... Perhaps it is teachers such as yourself, those who find anecdote and reasons to justify physical disciplining of children that Tarteso needs to protect his children from.

When my son was 3-4 years old his school at the time (a mid-range international school) were going on a day trip to a butterfly farm. I contacted the school and asked how they were going to transport 3-4 years olds... what ‘car-seat’ arrangements were being made. I was appalled at the response and let them know. The children would have ‘lap-belts’, but full car seats were the responsibility of the parents or we could drive them there ourselves (I already had a Plan B - something called a Mi-fold), something we had recently been using when travelling overseas when we went in a taxi etc. I had other questions which the school couldn’t answer, but were forwarded on to the bus company (a famous one we see around Bangkok... starting with Mon... and ending in tri !!!)... One of the questions was about ensuring its drivers were no under the influence (after a recent news of this occurring on school trip - not that company though. Their response was that ‘drivers were breathalysed in the morning and if they are over the limit they are suspended for the day’ !!!! - for the DAY !!... thats it... Guy gets pished and is about to take a bus load of kids, but gets caught and given the day off !!!! So... this leads me to my question for you Rooster... When you carried out your inspections of activity venues, did you also inspect the transport options to the same degree ?? IMO this is one of the greatest risks with our children going on residential trips. On another concurrently running thread - a bus had ‘break failure’ before it even picked up the staff it was supposed to be taking on a ‘residential trip’... it was reporting that the specific vehicle involved in the accident had had numerous accidents before. So... Who checks the vehicles ???.... It is a question I’ll be asking of my Son’s school come his next residential.

The nurses and other staff from Patong Hospital can thank their lucky stars that this vehicle which was either poorly maintained or driven by a reckless liar was involved in the accident before they were collected.... From the link So the owners of the bus company are responsible for a poorly maintained vehicle which as been involved in previous accidents.... Hmm... These busses and public transport are lethal here. My son recently went to a school residential in such a bus. Rooster has a thread running currently that highlights how he used to inspect the safety of various ‘adventure actives’ for the schools.. I wonder if that goes as far as inspecting the transport itself...

Printing such out really wouldn’t do any harm, however, if there is concern it would make sense to circumnavigate the issue and avoid the potential tripping point completely and just carry the cash. That said - its perfectly acceptable to question the decisions made by immigration officers if you think they are making unfair or incorrect decisions. I’ve done it in the past. I was re-entering Thailand with an open Extension of Stay (based on work) the extension had one day remaining and the Immigration officer wanted to stamp me in for that 1 day!!.. (my contract had expired while I was outside of Thailand). I was also carrying a Thai Elite Visa (5 years). I refused to accept that I could only be stamped in for one day (I would have had to fly out the next day and then return on the Elite SE Visa). The immigration officer was adamant it had to be that, I was adamant that he was wrong. I demanded to see his supervisor who sided with him. Still adamant that the decision was wrong I wanted to push the issue higher. Another supervisor was called and I was finally able to speak with someone who had some sense... She agreed that I could enter on the Visa I wanted, or even enter visa exempt if I wanted... I was stamped for 90 days (as per my Thai Elite Visa)... The point there is... IF a junior Immigration officer wants to prevent entry to someone because they don’t have ’cash’ it may be possible to nudge things up the chain to someone who understands or accepts that its ok to use cards !!!

Ok... do you go around ‘making your point’ to other adults ? (a slap with the hand)... So, why would it ever be acceptable to make your point to children with a slap to the hand ? As for any of your other points... you’re swinging all over the place with what ranges from a strange and off-topic rant to being totally unhinged... It seems you think child getting smacked by a teacher is acceptable... It seems you think a husband smacking his wife is acceptable, but only bare hands and only if he doesn't leave a mark.... I’m at a loss for words to be honest..... a philosopher on ethics, good behavior, and moral character you most certainly are not !!! ???? This is a point I’d like to address: You suggest I go home to my country because I have an opinion against teachers in Thailand using physical means to punish children ?????... Respectfully... that unhinged rant suggests you are so far removed from reality I doubt there is very much of anything of any value at all that you can tell or teach, I hope I’m wrong for the sake of the students.

Good deflection. Remind me, who tried to say tuition fees were not based on nationality. I didn’t ’try' to say it... I stated fact - UK Tuition fees are not based on nationality. They are based on residency status. Nice bit of obfuscation there... but sorry, no cigar... you simply highlight your failure to comprehend the point about ‘residency’ and instead use what would common be termed an ‘apples to oranges’ comparison in attempt to point score without making any sound point. ...I’ll suspect I need to spell that one out for you.. - UK tuition costs: There is no difference in the treatment of residents whether foreign or British, the rules are consistent and based only on being resident for 3 years... thats the same for anyone of any nationality. - Thai Dual Pricing: There is a difference in treatment, because Thailand does not base its dual pricing on residency, the dual pricing we witness in Thailand is based solely on having Thai nationality or not. You seem not to have understood that the UK applies the same rules across the board regardless of nationality, whereas in Thailand that equality and fairness is not applied - hence, this thread and many others like it.

In what way does Thai law differentiate between what you call "citizen of Thailand" and "nationality"? He'd already received from that.... he just misused the term ‘citizen’.... and meant ‘resident’... a fairly common mistake people make when using terms they wouldn’t use on a daily basis.

Erm.... thats bungee Jumping !!! ???????? I get your point though.. before the cord snapped it had significantly reduced the velocity of the fall... That said... How high is 10 stories ??.... common google answers suggest its about 33 meters. Cliff divers go from abut 30m.... the falling speed reaches about 80kmh... A fall from 30m is ‘probably survivable’ but I guess that depends on how you enter the water.

As the ‘injury occurred’ overseas while covered with travel insurance, would it not continue to cover incurred medical costs after reaching home ? But... the point remains... he was checked out in Thailand and given the all clear by doctors, then travelled home and faced the equivalent of 220,000 baht in medical bills which clearly indicates his health status was most definitely not ‘all clear’..

Not ridiculous at all... IF dual-pricing based on residency then its fair for anyone who is a resident - there are plenty of attractions in Thailand which charge tourists more, but allow residents the ’Thai price’ if we show a Driving licence or Pink ID card etc... The same cannot be said for dual pricing based on nationality. People use excuse that dual pricing occurs in ‘other countries’ to suggest that the practice is acceptable in Thailand, yet when doing so they overlook the fact that dual-pricing when practiced in other countries is based on residency not nationality (the university example has already been shot down earlier in the thread). Whether resident for 12 months, or shorter, or longer - its still ‘resident’ the duration is irrelevant, you’re clutching at straws, consecutive, continuous etc.. means nothing - Even a foreigner with PR status (Permanent resident) is subject to dual-pricing at National Parks etc... A myopically flawed perspective... you’ve expanded a complaint about a single facet of Thailand [dual pricing] and projected it to all factors of life in Thailand. It is perfectly acceptable to not like and not agree with facets of living here and discuss those facets while also enjoying much of what Thailand has to offer. Only the unintelligent make the projection that someone who doesn't like certain aspects of Thailand (such as dual pricing) has a dislike for and complains about Thai things and the way Thai’s do things in general - you have made such a projection, your thinking is flawed. I agree, up to a point, the good does outweigh the bad, thats why we all live here. But, do we have to live with the things we disagree with, always ??... Are you suggesting that we cannot discuss such issues on forums such as this?... as such we just ignore such issues ?? There is a reason why some things have changed for us as foreigners in Thailand. There is a reason why our wives can own land here (ergo, we can have our own homes as a family). There is a reason why we don’t need to fill out a TM30 every time we go away for a weekend and return to our home.... We have those who have been vocal to thank about the improvements you and others may not have identified... in many cases the path has be paved for us and things are easier and we have others to thank for not ignoring certain issues. Perhaps dual-pricing would be significantly worse in Thailand IF so many people were not already vocal about it... Perhaps you have already benefited from the voice of others

Stand back lads. A big man is here. The point he [Tarteso] makes is not wholly unjustified. Any teacher who lays a finger on a child must surely also be aware of possible consequences and potential parental repercussions of doing so - It surprises me that teachers who behave in this manner are not strung up !!! At the risk of being accused of being a ‘keyboard warrior’ or a 'big-man’ I know how far I would go and what I would do if a teacher ever took to physically disciplining my son - I’m sure many feel the same. I am also aware of how ’some’ Thai Schools have antiquated cultures surrounding the education and discipline of children and the lack of freedoms and individuality they are afforded - this is why my son will never end up in such an environment. But, many parents cannot afford to have their children placed in ‘better educational environments’ and this is where both parents and the authorities come into the fray and where attitudes must change. Parents do need to take a role in the discipline of their children and there are many weaknesses with this, in some (very few) children I see the results parents who are incapable of disciplining their children - but this is where the school has to step up in a professional manner that does not include a violent response.

Have you ever taught in a class room orca group of kids. No there was no capital punishment at my or my daughter's house. I had other means of getting my point across usually loss of privilege or writing times tables The manner in which you ask if I have ever taught a in a class gives me the impression you to want to contradict my comments, yet your comment is in line with mine !!!... No, I’m not a teacher, and a do agree with your points. There are many means by which to get a point across without resorting to a physical response. A poor teacher does not have these tools in their arsenal because they are poor teachers. At home we have numerous methods by which to manage the behaviour of our son, who is often just being a kid and doing what kids do, but he still needs to learn and as you mentioned there are privileges which can be removed. My son recently had a moment and broke something in the house after we’d already warned him... Such was the extremity of what had happened he was distraught, completely broken, he knew exactly his mistake and was so upset it wasn’t worth pushing the issue further... It was one of those lessons we all go through as a kid... I remember doing similar. As an adult, he will look back and remember what happened - he will also remember that there was no excessive punishment as punishment was not necessary... this is in stark contrast to the kids who will grow up remember their dad beat them because of a mistake they made.

Something which does physically injure children !!!!... They're kids... ALL kids go too far.. thats part and parcel of being a child, you think beating children for being children is acceptable ????.... thats an evil world !!! There are not violent ways to bring children into line that also doesn’t teach them violence is the answer. The LAW ???.... They are children !!!... they need guidance from responsible adults. IF the adults around them are not responsible that is the adult fault. But, that does not mean violence can be condoned. WRONG... Assault by teachers is forbidden... read again.. Assault - any time a child is deliberately physically hurt, harmed or injured by an adult it is assault, nothing less. No one is suggesting parents do not play a roll in the discipline of their children, what is being said is that there is no place for violence in this process. ???? No they are not, not at all... the vast majority of Children are perfectly respectful and well behaved.... You are picking up on a few reports or have seen a few kids messing around and projected that all kids are bad - thats wholly unintelligent and the realm of a miserable old fart !!.... There is nothing wrong with high spirits in children... Wow - boomer alert again !!!...... did you grow up in the 1800’s ??? emptying the cesspool with buckets ???.... You want to expose kids to a greater risk of disease, boomer ???? I don’t see Thai kids behaving like spoiled brats any more than I see western kids playing up. Kids are just being kids, most are great, a minority can be a headache. Its just like those of an older generation... Some are quite understanding... others are miserable old boomers !!! Many of my Western friends were also raised that way - it just depends what sort of family you grew up in... But if all an elderly person is going to do is complain about noisy, annoying, unruly kids then they it would be understood why those kids want nothing to do with the miserable elders !!!... To summarise Confucius... you’ve made the type of rant a miserable old boomer would without recognising the realities of the perfectly normal world around you - kids are just kids and this subject is about a ’teacher’ assaulting a child because he became mad and used his position of relative power to try and justify this assault.

Its not an impossibility... it has happened. I suspect I was nearly caught out.... a very late night out.... Ending up a beers at a pop-up street side beer-bar... halfway though beer, I’d put my drink down, turned my back on it and spoke with my mate. Seconds later, picked my drink and took a ’swig’.... and it suddenly had a very bitter acrid taste... I spat it out immediately... no idea what had happened but had my suspicious. I told my mate - pay up, lets go now.... we didn’t finish our beers and left... I wonder if they’d dumped something in the beer while I wasn’t looking....

Obviously my warped Monty Python sense of humour obviously drowning in aquatic references wasn't caught by one member hahahaha ???????????????? This is about a swimming pool... not a bathroom renovation !!! ???? ????????????????

Have you ever flown ‘Nok Air’ or ‘Thai Smile’ ???

I like what you say... My Son goes on residential trips with his school (a large Int’l school in BKK) and they engage in activities which include a minor element of risk (but none so much as bungee jumping)... I trust the school to ensure such safety standards are met, or they won’t undertake the activity... That said - individually I don’t have the knowledge our resources to firstly understand or to check the safety measures in place when considering such activities - thus, my head is well and truly buried in the sand as such, neither my family or I will undertake such activities as bungee jumping, skydiving, paragliding in Thailand... I don’t believe these high end International schools you mention would do either. There are borderline activities which I’d do in the UK, but would give pause for thought here.... i.e. treeline adventures - if the school has investigated the safety of such (which I trust them to do), then I’m ok with it. But I wouldn’t allow my son to undertake such activities without that - this is perhaps where you (Rooster) would have come in with your team, to inspect and check out such a location / activity before giving the go-ahead for the school that safety standards have been met. You mentioned balconies... at recent school residential trip, the hotel was a low rise (3 floors) but the balcony’s were locked. The kids (9 years old) went to a water-park, which was ok with - but I’d have been asking questions of the school if they were planning on doing any ziplines etc... As you also mentioned (rooster), transport is also an issue... The busses travelled with a police escort all kids had to wear seatbelts.

Its simple isn’t... just ignore dual pricing, don’t think about it, don’t discuss it, don’t flag it or raise awareness to it, don’t complain about it to the businesses.... ... don’t thank those who went before you and protested such issues and paved the way so issues such as dual pricing are not as wide-spread as they could be... Keep it simple - ignorance is bliss, isn’t it ???... let others bother about that stuff...

Theoretically doable - but difficulties could arise when hotel / accommodation wants to register you or you need to do something offial, or urgently need to travel internationally etc etc... Whenever travelling outside of province I always take my Passport with me. That doesn't mean I carry it around with me, it stays locked in my bag, nevertheless, it comes with me. While remaining in Bangkok, the Passport remains locked in my Safe. As another poster mentioned: Also carry photocopies (or on your phone) of your Passport ID page, entry stamps, Visa etc -------- There is no need to potentially make things very difficult for yourself by not travelling with your passport.

Where did you leave it ?? ???? Other options could be to order a new seat off Lazada / Shopee... Examples for a honda click here (no idea what bike you have). https://www.lazada.co.th/tag/honda-click-seat/

Hopefully the travel insurance pays - i.e. hope the don’t use a ‘dangerous activities’ clause for wiggle-room not to pay out. So typical - defending the indefensible !!! Irrelevant, the bungee still parted !! Irrelevant where it broke, it still broke !!! 220,00 baht for a checkup ?????? WOW !!! Of course they were... out of sight out of mind !!! That makes it alright then.. no harm no foul !!! A van driver had never slid of the road killing all passengers before... must be safe then, just a one off !!!! The very least they can do...

There was no barrier... If the attendant refuses to count the coins just drive on.. You’ve paid already ! -------- Way back in the early days I used to get irritated by everything at 7-11’s being priced to the nearest 25 satang... over the years I acquired a large cup full of 25 and 50 satang coins from nearby 7-11. A house mate had the same issue. We went to 7-11 to exact some childish revenge... Mate went first... bought a couple of items and handed a cup full of satang coins - the staff fastidiously counted them and left the remainder with my friend. My turn, I did the same, handed the cashier the cup full of satang... the cashier’s response was brilliant - Exact !!!.... She’d stated that the money in the cup was exactly the correct amount... all rather humorous and the cashier handled it brilliantly !!... It was always smiles and hello’s after that...

So... Americans (specifically from Phoenix) pee a lot in pools.... ... so Is the Op from the US and are they dual charging him because US people pee in pools as per the Fox10 report you quoted ????? ???????? https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/science-confirms-people-pee-in-the-pool-and-it-can-be-more-than-just-gross

Don’t be ridiculous.... Working for Thai’s is the same as working for Brits or anyone of any other nationality... There is no one size fits all generalisation, everyone is different. I’ve worked for excellent Thai’s and terrible Thai’s, just as I have worked for and with excellent individuals and very poor individuals rom many different nationalities. But, that depends on the ‘level’ you are working at and the respect the position you are in and those around you demands - At the lower levels, working for anyone is rarely pretty !!..