paulikens

5 hours ago, rabas said:

Oh ye lemmings of another faith.

 

Across the world, mask use had the highest correlation with the near complete disappearance of influenza during Covid. End of story.

 

Instructions: 1. Read. 2. Weep.

 

Disappearance and Re-Emergence of Influenza during the COVID-19 Pandemic: Association with Infection Control Measures

And we could all provide an article that opposes that view. We could be here all day exchanging articles, studies, etc etc.      At the end of the day it should be a choice for each person whether they wanna wear masks or not, that's the bottom line.  

21 hours ago, Hummin said:

You see it from a western point, if you see it from a Thai perspective, I have learned that the women is in charge of the household and expenses. 

No you have let them be in charge of that,  which is fair enough but it isn't a western thing or a Thai thing.   It's a decision by both parties.  

5 hours ago, circa02 said:

Nightmare, I think many of us with a bike have been guilty of nipping the shops without a helmet especially if you've adopted Thainess and will take the bike 350metres rather than just walk, becoming more conscious of it recently with the amount of attention local accidents are getting on social media.

if you've adopted Thainess and will take the bike 350metres rather than just walk,   Or what's commonly known as being very lazy

Tragic but it makes you wonder when people do things like this.......are they so arrogant that they think they're invincible?

Just now, HighPriority said:

But you can appreciate that right from your first post on this subject people were requesting such information in order to help you help yourself ?

 the reason of my original post was that i was  hoping to find someone who had experienced the same thing.   I've also stated that the reason given was around the line of 'not intending to stay for purpose of visit'    So, If you or anyone else knows how long it is before i can go back with that charge?  I'll gladly listen to your advise. 

Just now, HighPriority said:

But you can appreciate that right from your first post on this subject people were requesting such information in order to help you help yourself ?

But the only information I ever wanted was how long before i can go back to Thailand? everything else is irrelevant.   I don't feel comfortable posting photos of my personal information on here.   That's my private information. next people will want to see my bank account.  the bottom line is when can i go back to Thailand after being denied entry?  To be honest i posted, hoping someone had the same experience, So, then that would be the most sound information i could go on.  But alas no-one had.   I  don't see what relevance the charge (if there is even one on my passport) has. there can't be a minimum of time for each different charge.  But i have had some advise from people on here who seem to know what they're talking about and I thank them for that.

4 hours ago, Caldera said:

I have a hard time believing that to be honest. First you said you didn't know what you signed, so it didn't sound like you even had a copy to peruse to check. Now you're saying you actually got one but binned it? Come on.

In actual fact in the detention room there was a couple of said forms left by previous detainees. So, It's not exactly unusual for people to bin them or as 2 previous people done, not even take the forms with them.    You really think i just made it up.  I really, really wish i had.  God! I wish this was made up but unfortunately it isn't

4 hours ago, Caldera said:

I have a hard time believing that to be honest. First you said you didn't know what you signed, so it didn't sound like you even had a copy to peruse to check. Now you're saying you actually got one but binned it? Come on.

Why would i keep it?  For what purpose exactly?  So i can look at it for years to come to remind myself of the nightmare! i had at Phuket airport

Why would i keep it?  For what purpose exactly?  So i can look at it for years to come to remind myself of the nightmare! i had at Phuket airport

5 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Nonsense 

Why would i keep it?  for what purpose? 

Just another example of the Thais absolute obsession with so called 'loss of face'  

Just now, BritTim said:

It is normal that there would be no entry or exit stamps for Thailand. What is very strange is the lack of a denied entry stamp. As previously stated, the possibilities that come to mind are (i) immigration forgot to stamp your passport; or (ii) they finally realised that denying you entry lacked legal justification, so they decided to make it appear as though you voluntarily turned around and returned to Penang without entering Thailand.

 

I would still be interested in seeing a scan of the document you were given, to see whether it included anything that would justify a denied entry under Section 12.

Unfortunately i binned it.  I didn't really want any reminder of that nightmare????

Just now, paulikens said:

I just realized as well now my passport has nothing on it for the 2 days i was in detention room.  IE. i got stamped out of Malaysia wednesday and then went back to Malaysia Friday.  Obviously Phuket didn't stamp me in.  what happens there?   cuz if the Thailand immigration haven't even flagged it on my passport, It will look like i just disappeared for one day.   

Although saying that, Malaysia never questioned it. 

1 hour ago, BritTim said:

Although I would be interested in seeing a scan of that document, if you would be so kind as to post it, I do not think it means much specifically. A final denial stamp gives an actual reason under Section 12 of the Immigration Act for the exclusion. The document you received may not state a lawful reason for denying you entry at all which could be a reason (maybe, no way of knowing) why you were eventually not officially denied entry at all;.

I just realized as well now my passport has nothing on it for the 2 days i was in detention room.  IE. i got stamped out of Malaysia wednesday and then went back to Malaysia Friday.  Obviously Phuket didn't stamp me in.  what happens there?   cuz if the Thailand immigration haven't even flagged it on my passport, It will look like i just disappeared for one day.   

Just now, BritTim said:

Only a fraction encounter the wrong official at the wrong time. We were not there. Maybe, the OP did something to upset the official, but I do not get that impression. I think this event was pretty random. Some people get struck by lightning. It can happen through carelessness, but lightning can also strike out of a clear blue sky.

Well I'm a fairly unlucky person in general.  So, I definitely think it could be just getting the IO at the wrong time.  Or maybe immigration were just having a purge. 

17 hours ago, BritTim said:

The weird thing is that, when he finally received his passport back, there was no denial stamp (and, equally strange, there was no charge for the stay in the detention room). All he received was a document given to him earlier that informed him that he was being denied entry. I have never before heard of exactly this set of circumstances. It is conceivable that, in the final analysis, this was a shadow denied entry, with no record in immigration's system. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to find out.

BTW the form said something like "wasn't intending to stay for purpose of visit"   in other words they was claiming i wasn't a tourist.   What's your take on that Tim?

10 hours ago, darrendsd said:

Do a search. It's easy enough

 

As someone who lived here for 15 years on a mixture of Ed Visas Tourist Visas and Visa Exempts I used to be constantly on this forum checking the latest updates

 

Luckily I'm on a Retirement visa now so my visa worries are over ????

search under what?  genuinely interested.  

22 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

It doesn't mean they did that lawfully. Anyway, I don't know what exactly you told them, how you answered their questions. I've been questioned many times, and always allowed in.

So, Had i until now.  As has been said many times on here its IO discretion whether to let you in or not.  I know they might have not done it lawfully but that wasn't the point, the point is it could happen to you.  So, I don't know what your point is?   Apart from some kind of gloating.  

Just now, JoseThailand said:

I've been in Thailand as a tourist since the beginning of 2020, never leaving for more than a few days. As long as I don't stay longer than each stamp allows, it's not a problem.

Doesn't what happened to me prove that isn't the case

Just now, BritTim said:

@paulikens Is it just possible that the original immigration official missed that you had a tourist visa, and believed you were seeking a visa exemption? That would make the original denial correct, and a desire to quietly bury it (with no passport stamp, no charge for the detention room and, hopefully, no record of the denied entry in immigration's system) logical.

I don't think that's the case because i was quite vocal in letting them know that i had a tourist visa.        in a polite but assertive manner as i didn't want to give them even more reason to not let me in by being surly.  

Just now, BritTim said:

Interesting. That suggests that they really might be trying to hide the whole incident. It is normal for the stay in the detention room to be billed. It is aggravating that there is no easy way to check what has been entered in immigration's system.

Really!   What a liberty

Just now, DrJack54 said:

@paulikens so what's the plan now?

 

You still have a tourist visa.

What's the "enter before date" on the visa.

Do you plan to try again via land border? 

(just nosey curiosity) 

BTW: What did they sting you for flight back to Penang. 

I'm debating what to do actually.  and wondering what are the best land borders to go through?          the date is the end of october.    I think I'll sit it out in Penang for a bit though even if i decide to go back via land border.           Yes i had to pay for the flight back to Penang.  not too much but still something i could have done without.

3 hours ago, BritTim said:

I think it will. I guess there is an extremely small chance that they decided later that your denied entry was an error, and decided to scrub it. As you were willing to pay for the return flight to Penang, they could pretend nothing happened, and avoid losing face by telling you.

 

Did they charge you money for your stay in the detention room?

No they didn't.