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apart from hello kitty and david beckham, what do you talk about to a 22 year old thai girl?

Whatever you want to....they are being paid to do as they are told.

This thread has been great to read, but I think it misses one defining point.

Hmmm will a western women ever talk to me again.

Thai women look after there men 100 times better than a western women would.

Now most western women may be up in arms over this, but it is a 100% fact. There obvioulsy are a few Thai women who do wrong no different to western women.

In general however Thai girls are miles on front of western women probably slightly over board, but I would feel most guys would agree on this

Thai women - that I have known - cook, clean, iron, bring a cold beer, take you to the shower and scrub your feet and generally care about their man. If a Thai woman profits from doing so, so what? It is good to have a woman who care and yes they are miles ahead of your average bra-burning western woe of man

Who says the neanderthals died out

Well, at least you don't gender discriminate when you slam others. I find it interesting that you claim to be standing up for women and complain about how men do not respect them, but then you have written more degrading comments about Thai women than anyone else in this entire thread.

Do you really think that these young Thai women you refer to are not intelligent enough to make their own choices - that they merely run along mindlessly chasing a carrot on a stick?

While you admit to being willing to do that, if you made some of these insinuations to my Isaan wife, it would be advisable for you to take a step or two back. Not only is she seemingly (judging from your writings) a bit more intelligent than you, she would be very upset indeed if you challenged her decision to be with a man 30-years her senior.

(Oh, what the heck, I wasn't going to bother anymore, but I can't resist this stupid thread any more than anyone else!)

It's funny how I am always careful to qualify my comments by saying "some women", "in some cases", or "some men" -- specifically to account for the fact that I am commenting on the general situation, not one person's specific relationship -- yet you seem too thick to grasp that.

If I say some Thai women are whores -- well, that's a documented fact. I've hardly called your wife a whore. How could I claim to know anything about your particular relationship? If you jump up and say "you called my wife a whore!" -- you've counted yourself among that number, not me. Deal with your own insecurities.

As for Thai women being intelligent enough to choose for themselves -- Thai women are no different than any other human being on earth -- they pick the best choice among those offered to them. Do you doubt that poor people have less choice than rich people? And yes, I am aware that not all Thais are poor. However, the average monthly salary in Thailand is around 7,800B. (Pay attention again, as I am not talking about whatever your wife's salary is in whatever job she has, but the average salary). Those choices hardly preclude love, but one can get an idea of the forces at play by noting that young beautiful women marrying men 30 years their senior are much rarer in the West.

As for your Issan wife (as you call her) being smarter than me -- who knows? If your idea of intelligence is choosing you as a husband, clearly we're unlikely to agree.

Good one, CG. And if I had actually written that, I would agree with you.

If I was too thick to grasp that you qualified your judgments with "some" in most cases, I apologize. And in no way did I imply that you called my wife a whore nor even thought such a thing. How can you put quotes around something that I never wrote? Hmm, or am I detecting a pattern here..?

My 'thickness' continues in that I don't get why you are explaining to us how people everywhere "pick the best choice among those offered to them". Umm, yeah, okay and the sun rises in the morning, not in the evening..

Actually we likely agree on more issues than otherwise. There is, of course, cultural corruption happening everywhere what with the popularity of international travel and tourism and Thailand is certainly not immune nor the only country dealing with this. Yes, fat-walleted (and belly'd) aging farangs come over here and upset the balance a bit just as you would upset the balance a bit if you came over here and took a Thai husband, for whatever reasons you were able to do that. And many of those disgusting fat-walleted (and belly'd) farangs have stories about fat crab-ass wives that they are happy to be away from and are delighted to be in the company of a young Thai prostitute.

Umm, yeah, okay and the sun rises in the morning, not in the evening and that is likely to continue as long as we are able to witness it but what does that have to do with how we choose to live our own lives and govern our own attitudes? There are other things that I am more upset about (Bush, Poodle Blair, the extremist regime in Israel, people who blow themselves up along with hundreds of innocent people, children dying by the millions for the simple lack of clean drinking water, et al.) but I try not to focus too much on those things or the great joy I experience in my life will take a downturn and that is not the direction I choose to take any longer.

And yet, here I am, participating in this ridiculous thread and banging heads with two farang women, when in truth I believe that it is the women and children of this world who are the most likely to pull us out of the nightmares we create for ourselves with our judgments and lack of respect for our own kind.

Dunno, but perhaps I am more worried about you and your seeming anger toward the world than I portray on here and I am more than willing to take back whatever unkind things I have said about/to you and wish you the very best.

Yes, really...

Stop banging on about the sun rising as if you are somehow introducing precision and definition into the topic...........It doesn't rise, just goes to show you can't even define your terms correctly. Your pseudo scientific analysis is exactly that..... pseudo. Its the mark of a patronising man too when you talk of women and children as the saviours of the world. They are like us, we are like them. You dont marry old ladies and why should a woman who is young want an older man? I can accpet that you are a nice guy and no doubt love your wife dearly as she probably loves you, but as a rational man you must concede that the average falang protests too much. None of our wives are hookers, if they were they are all reformed. They all married for love despite their background. We all know lots of bad relationships, perhaps the majority, but its never ours. We concede that the young girls are often out to get what they can, given the inequality they face they have little option but its never our wife always someone else. As long as there's a failure to face facts theres a danger of it all falling apart. When it does its catastrophic. take the blinkers off see what the real dynamics of relations ships between old and young are........security for sex, youth for money. Falang men steal their youth and they take our money for it. Though of course you and I are exceptions.

This thread has been great to read, but I think it misses one defining point.

Hmmm will a western women ever talk to me again.

Thai women look after there men 100 times better than a western women would.

Now most western women may be up in arms over this, but it is a 100% fact. There obvioulsy are a few Thai women who do wrong no different to western women.

In general however Thai girls are miles on front of western women probably slightly over board, but I would feel most guys would agree on this

You may be right and since the guy in LOS to screw are all that count what do you care what women think. I imagine all the old guys talking meeting of minds and 'lurve expertise' (Thanks Viagra) some time down the line in their dotage greeting the flabby falang lecher who has come to romance their daughter. 17 years old and marrying a specimen old enough to be her grandfather I wonder then if all the rationalised crap which enables them to keep their conscience clean and exploit poor uneducated girls will come back to haunt them.

"Daddy dear here's my new husband he says when I am old enough to drink we can go out and blow his pension"..............wow

my friend is turning 58 tomorrow and he sent me an email

"we have decided to tie the knot. the date is set for Pim's 18th birthday next month. I never thought I could be this happy in life. People are good and wonderful and the sun shines so beautifully. Roses smell good and I love som tom. Thank god her father introduced us. We are two peas in a pod"

Come on bangkoksingapore. You're taking the piss, right? Spill the beans (or peas).

a You know when bangkokinsingapore is lying............................he types

b Bangkokinsingapore has no friends fellow stormtroopers in the junior nazis dont count

this is rubbish. havent you read dana on stickman? if a women has a baby with you and wants to use the dumb kid against you then you have no responsbility to play ball. you raise the kid while he lives with a step dad and the step dad tells him that you are a no good loser? id burn their house down before making a payment.

You realise that making such a stupid statement if you are identified could lead to you never going on a plane again. Anyone who has made any arson threat on a public forum is likely to be identified as too great a rsik to be carried. Certainly you would'nt be let into the States and thats a fact because I just checked with the Embassy. I suggest you correct your typically dumb and stupid post

If anyone wants a laugh then I suggest they read the "Authority" dana on stickman that the OP quotes. I take back any criticism of you bkkinsinga you are the funniest poster I have ever read. I read Dana when he was first posting and anyone who takes that drivel seriously needs to get a reality check and wait until they finish high school before having an opinion on anything except the best new playstation games.

this is rubbish. havent you read dana on stickman? if a women has a baby with you and wants to use the dumb kid against you then you have no responsbility to play ball. you raise the kid while he lives with a step dad and the step dad tells him that you are a no good loser? id burn their house down before making a payment.

You realise that making such a stupid statement if you are identified could lead to you never going on a plane again. Anyone who has made any arson threat on a public forum is likely to be identified as too great a rsik to be carried. Certainly you would'nt be let into the States and thats a fact because I just checked with the Embassy. I suggest you correct your typically dumb and stupid post

Thank you very much Jersey

We are you getting all the documents together get ready for applying in October

Good luck and hope you have good career and much happiness in the UK

Hi All,

My nephew is in thailand at the moment and is submitting an application for a settlement visa for his wife. I wrote to him with an offer of a part time job for her in the UK. Its a job she can do, her english is good and she has done similar work in the past. When he went to an agency to get his marriage docs translated and certified the agency happened to see the job offer in the folder and said on no account must he and his wife show that to the visa section because she wasn't getting a work visa. My nephew will be working and studying when they return and money will be tight so the job offer which was genuine, was to ensure they have enough to live on. I thought a wife could work on a setlement visa when in the uk. I thought too that the more secure their finances would be the better the chance of the visa being granted. In Bangkok she sells condos and in Uk she would be working at a letting agency dealing mostly with foreign students.

Should I tell him to forget the job offer or should it go in the visa application folder as additional evidence that she will not be a charge on the public purse?

Just read by chance the thread where Davies/Khan scouser answers a similar question regarding a lady cabin crew so I will assume the answer is yes, the job offer goes in the application. My guess is that not all agencies are as reputable or dependable as Davies Khan and they were frightening him into taking up their offer of submitting the documents for 35k baht. He has already done lots himself, just wanted a translation and came out scared the job offer would lead to a refusal.

Hi All,

My nephew is in thailand at the moment and is submitting an application for a settlement visa for his wife. I wrote to him with an offer of a part time job for her in the UK. Its a job she can do, her english is good and she has done similar work in the past. When he went to an agency to get his marriage docs translated and certified the agency happened to see the job offer in the folder and said on no account must he and his wife show that to the visa section because she wasn't getting a work visa. My nephew will be working and studying when they return and money will be tight so the job offer which was genuine, was to ensure they have enough to live on. I thought a wife could work on a setlement visa when in the uk. I thought too that the more secure their finances would be the better the chance of the visa being granted. In Bangkok she sells condos and in Uk she would be working at a letting agency dealing mostly with foreign students.

Should I tell him to forget the job offer or should it go in the visa application folder as additional evidence that she will not be a charge on the public purse?

This is great news

Don't think much of the guys who have abandoned their parental duties to come play in Thailand. Think even less of the ones who are being deadbeats on top of that.

Good on the US for introducing a regulation that makes sense.

Lets hope more countries follow.

Got it in one. Yes looks tough on all those men who abandon their children to poverty so they can go whoring. Just be glad you are not bangkokinsingapore.............makes my flesh creep to think about it. have to lose 90% of brain cells and have a morals bypass operation plus learn to be bilingual in rubbish and crap

Hit a nerve there did I.

Anyway, back OT, I am eternally thankful for my second life out here.

A few PC fascists can't take that away. The most they can do is stand on the sidelines and hope for us to fail!

Wouldn't it be better to find a life of your own rather than trying to sort out everyone else,s.

I'm lucky, happy and shudder at the thought of still being in my first marriage!

So come on, you white men haters. What do you have in your life that is so much better than a relationship? What are you doing that we should be doing (detail please)?

Lets hear it, how can we follow your advice and improve the quality of our lives?

Please set out what, in your life is better and more rewarding TO YOU than my wife, family, business, house, friends, in-laws are to me! What have you done with your life that has given you as much pleasure as my 15 years here have?

Who said anything about white men? Please dont introduce a racist element into the discussion wher none existed. Once again why should I hate anyone because I dont like the anti western women bias so many posters have. This board, as guests in an Asian country is no place for racists

Perhaps what we have here is a failure of communication.

Since many of the Falang men in Thailand are by common consent fat, ugly, low life neanderthals with the IQ and beer gut of a blue whale who only found their way to the land of Smiles in search of whores and cheap beer and an audience for their never ending whinge about how they turned their backs on the women of the west after the women got bloated and huge and ungrateful. We must thank our lucky stars that none of the posters who objectify women, rant about western women in a totally offensive way and sing the praises of their love struck Thai angel can in any sense be confused with the aforementioned group.

Indeed we have their word for it and for certain if any woman or alternative poster disagrees with that the thread can always be pulled.

Whilst there are so many enlightened mentors amongst us dispensing the benefits of their accumulated wisdom there is a chance that such misguided souls as Kat and Canadiangirl may come to know the special benefits of surrendering all taste and sense of smell for a liason with the aforementioned studs. What Thai girl could ever turn their back on such a chance, at least until they have the passport.

It would be funny if it wasnt so offensive. Smug, sexist, sad losers of the world unite you have nothing to lose...............because you lost it a long time ago.

The irony here for people like you - smug PC bystanders, watching and critisising others making their way through life, whilst passing up the opportunity to have one (life) themselves, is this.

You've banged on about ugly fat men (sterotyping, in the way you were taught to hate in your PC classes at Student union) again and abhor anybody having a relationship with one. If looks arn't important, why shouldn't a beautiful young woman go out with an uglier older man?

You have your stereotypes if thats what you have resorted to. And you can have as many overweight loud women as you want out here. No competion for you mate, just don't expect us to look on enviously or congratulate you.

Reserve your vitriol for those who deserve it. Funny how my stereotypes, which are deliberately over the top, make you so angry but all the posters who bang on about fat western women, yourself included aren't offensive. Loving a Thai woman doesnt mean you have to hate other women. All you do is expose your own insecurities. Incidently when did I ever say I wasn't fat and ugly and old? All of those are preferable to being a sad deluded bitter women hater

Perhaps what we have here is a failure of communication.

Since many of the Falang men in Thailand are by common consent fat, ugly, low life neanderthals with the IQ and beer gut of a blue whale who only found their way to the land of Smiles in search of whores and cheap beer and an audience for their never ending whinge about how they turned their backs on the women of the west after the women got bloated and huge and ungrateful. We must thank our lucky stars that none of the posters who objectify women, rant about western women in a totally offensive way and sing the praises of their love struck Thai angel can in any sense be confused with the aforementioned group.

Indeed we have their word for it and for certain if any woman or alternative poster disagrees with that the thread can always be pulled.

Whilst there are so many enlightened mentors amongst us dispensing the benefits of their accumulated wisdom there is a chance that such misguided souls as Kat and Canadiangirl may come to know the special benefits of surrendering all taste and sense of smell for a liason with the aforementioned studs. What Thai girl could ever turn their back on such a chance, at least until they have the passport.

It would be funny if it wasnt so offensive. Smug, sexist, sad losers of the world unite you have nothing to lose...............because you lost it a long time ago.

lots of my friends who are thai hold eachothers hands in public. i think a BIG thing regarding this is the age factor. Thais i know under 30 are quite different then more hardcore thais. Most of my friends are 18-25, all of them are very westernized and laugh at the how closedminded some older thais are. If your in an inappropriate place for hand holding then it is understandable, but if you refuse to hold your wifes hand (.. is she actually your wife? or did you meet her in a money for sex scenario ? i know i know touchy topic here, but plz.. realism first) on the basis that you would offend thai people, then following that type of mindset, you think that you would not be marrying a thai person, as that would offend a certain type of thai people. another ridiculous thread.. jesus all these people sitting around here with out jobs ( or with jobs where they just hang out online on thai visa all day?) need to get their shit together!

I think perhaps its time we introduced an upper age limit for TV memebership and perhaps make sure they are working too and not misusing firms computers. Perhaps we could nominate someone to make these oh so neccessary changes, perhaps give him a title like Governor Organising Details, my nomination would of course be cool guy Cory or GOD for short

I don't think this has ever been about offending other Thais, but more of what other Thais would think about your Thai wife. In the early days of my marriage (Viet Nam war era), just standing next to each other in Bangkok would have other Thais misunderstanding our relationship. Now, it is no longer an issue and any Thai having problems with a foreigner/Thai couple holding hands in public has never been to a mall.

Most of the Thai/ falang couples in a mall are in a paid relationship at least in Pattaya and Hua Hin and Bangkok etc etc etc what bar girls are paid to do should not inform your understanding of what is acceptable in Thai society.

It is changing and younger thais do hold hands. Upcountry perhaps the old ways are more common. Some bar girls have told me when I have played pool with them that they dont like to be pawed by falangs. That includes holding hands, they all add that as they are paid to hold hands and more they have no choice. Most of the older falangs are of course of an age where they would never in polite society, hold hands in public even if their partners are considerably younger. My wife would be scandalised at us holding hands in public. After we had been in her village for a while and its a fairly prosperous village with lots of well off thais a rich old woman came up to me and started talking to me.. The old lady was saying that she had watched me since I first visited and she had noticed how polite I was and proper by not touching my wife in public. She also said how different I was than the other falangs married to Thai women in the village who caused in her view much embarrassment by their public displays of affection. It certainly helped me to be accepted in the village because the old lady is a major landowner and well respected and made me be better accepted than the other falangs who they steer clear of. Of course the more educated the thais the more tolerant of falangs they are. Many thai women are worried that if they hold hands in public others will assume they are bar girls and being paid to do so. It drives me crazy at times to not touch my wife in public but....when in Rome..........

Would anyone else like to join this mass display of sorrow for causing certain members a degree of embarassment, and some members - mentioning no names but looking firmly at canadiangirl - such outrage?

It helps, you know. It really does.

Now that I've apologised I can relax a little.

I'm flattered by the attention, of course, but I remain puzzled by your need to single me out. I'm hardly the only one to express a negative opinion.

In case my position isn't clear enough -- I don't give a fig if a Thai marries a farang or a gecko marries an elephant -- my beef is with those, like the OP, who hold up relationships where money is likely to be a significant factor (and if you doubt this, ask yourself how many relationships between old men and young women of similar wealth do you see in the West?) as somehow more of "a prize" than a relationship that some vague chance of being between equals (as in the case of the old farang man and his old farang wife)

For all that relationships with women, sex with women and the bodies of women: their weight, attractiveness, age and general value are constant topics of discussion on this forum, certain men seem bloody uncomfortable with women having opinions on any of these.

I guess we're supposed to be good trophies when we're young (ability to speak English optional) and then have the good grace to fall off the face of the earth we get old and our market value has gone down. In no case are we supposed to act on our own self-interest, have opinions that interfere with the dream world of tired old men or expect to be treated as a fellow human being, if one is to believe some of the posters here.

Good points, womens bodies and shapes, weights and sizes and comparing unfavourably western women with Thai angels is a constant refrain, yet when that same obsession is turned to men..........its all about minds isn't it, emotions and feelings, the value of experience, the helping hand of finance extended without strings to the young Thai woman. truth is they dont like you Canadian girl because you shine a bright light under the dark rock of their self delusion.

For all of you who are so embarrassed by the actions of other farangs in Thailand, I just wonder. Are you similarly humiliated anywhere else in the world by other caucasians? How do you get through the day? Do you really believe any Thai will think any less or worse of you because of it. Why do you care what Thais think unless it is an interpersonal situation. Is this what's known as white man's burden?

Yes, I do believe it's true that there are disproportionately more loser farangs in Thailand than a lot of places I've lived. I think many Thais believe when they see an older male in Thailand he is here for wrong reasons. I think many farang women think that too.

The world is full of losers and winners. Maybe the old git with the little brownie is a loser. Maybe not. Who the <deleted> cares?

Maybe you should read the OP again - here, reposted for you:

Are farangs who marriages failed in the West luckier than those who marriages were successful? You go out in Bangkok and you see a 55 year old guy dressed in beach attire riding the skytrain with his twenty-two year old wife, and then you see another set of farang 55 year old husband and wife and she looks like she weighs 80 kg. So doesnt this mean that the farang who drank too much and wrecked his marriage back home and escaped to Thailand is luckier than the farang who didnt drink too much and is still married?

I find this sort of behavior offensive, with a complete lack of manners and consideration for others and local customs of decency in public, sexist to the extreme - reducing a woman to some sort of trophy, and ultimately personally insulting.

There is nothing i can do about the sad fact that this is so in Thailand, but please, don't expect me not to be embarrassed when i have the misfortune to encounter this, and having to cringe at such a celebration of tackiness that is best left to a good comedy on TV.

And as for Thais being non judgemental and not easily offended I was in the BiG C in Nakhon Pathon when like the red sea parting a wave of thais created an avenue of space right down the middle of the store. The looks on the faces was absolute shock and distaste as an elderly falang dressed like Eminem strode down the way, acres of gold and bling, naked from his top of throat to the tip of his grey pubes and dragging a bar girl dressed so scantily that her nipples were exposed. I wanted the floor to open up and swallow me. I have never even held hands in public with my thai wife. Sure enough when the circus had passed by all the Thai eyes look at me as if wanting an explanation for such rudeness and open disregard for their culture.

i cant believe some of you have the nerve to suggest that the women married to old farang are seeking carnal pleasures behind his back.

Surely, some of those young women must not be immune to the charms of youth and beauty. An old man for money, a young man for sex?

you dont find this at all insulting to both the young women and the old man? You disgust me.

Why do you find it so hard to imagine?

Take any group of people; chances are some of them are cheating.

Some of those young women are madly in love with their older partners, no doubt, and much happiness to them both. But put yourself in the place of a young woman dating a guy 3 times your own age for money and security -- you might like him, he might be a good guy and all , but if you inherited the Hilton fortune tomorrow, you might prefer someone else. Would you have a gik? Wouldn't you try to have your cake and eat it too?

Sometimes I think the reason farangs find Thai women so mystifying is that they can't conceive of them as human beings, with the same motivations and desires as themselves.

dehumanise and objectify

And how can you archive any real intimacy if you can't speak each other's language?

My dear chap, the language of love......braille.

Any of you guys at the Big C Fuji last weekend? Generic older Farang fella and local lass couple... going through the several pages of the menu with the falang asking "Do you like?" local lass answering "No."

here's the transcription:

"Do you like?" (likely pointing at a picture)

"No."

"Do you like?"

"No."

"Do you like?"

"No."

"Do you like?"

"No."

"Do you like?"

"No."

Tuned it out, so not sure how that turned out, but hopefully they were able to eventually order. I bet it was stimulating dinner conversation to follow.

hahahahaahah Perfect match, ignorance is bliss

i think im lucky in 6 years and 2 long realatenships i love them thai ladies to death there just great cant wait to take latest 30 year old round sainsburys back home did i here dirty old man mention love it

Was this sentence in English?

I believe it's called speaking in tongues or under the influence.

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - the book was heaps better.

The radio series was better, the vinyl albums were better and the BBC TV series was better. ....... There is only one Arthur Dent...... but the books were best.

One that really got me was Dune, if you hadn't read the books (the first trilogy at least) it was probably an entertaining movie, if you had read the series, the film version was very disappointing.

And Sting has to take a special 'over-acting' award ........... "I will kill him"

Anything by Stephen King with two exceptions, all blockbusters.............always crap.

I remember reading a magazine by SCUM the society for cutting up men. They did not like men. Two things stuck with me

1 The assertion that the average man will wade across an acre of broken glass in bare feet then swim a mile across a river of snot just to get laid

2. If you must use a man keep him in a vat of industrial bleach as they are dirty and smelly.

Even as a man I wil concede there may be a degree of truth there.

Perhaps for a man the sign of a relationship running its course is when she takes out a subscription to SCUM

I absolutely agree with everything said. As a young businessman, I used to travel the world, and I was so fortunate to catch his broadcasts on BBC world service and others broadcast to very remote corners of the globe. He was like a warm blanket.

Finest broadcaster I ever heard too though try explaining that nowadays. His leisurely style leading you by a circuitous route to some deep understanding of the american psyche would be just too slow for a generation reared on the internet with the attention span of a gnat and the appetite of a starving lion for a meaningless soundbite. My favourite was the one about his friend building the house in the desert outside Las Vegas. The belief since the frontier days that the americans can subjugate nature to their needs. Explains a lot about Kyoto.

Oh no another sleepless night for me then. Good job the sun is able to find and quote Al Quaeda whenever they wish. Perhaps the americans can use their services.