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3 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

That is the hotels problem, not yours, so long as you can show you stayed there etc.

The fines are levied to condo/house/airbnb stayers

Good to know thanks.  If I ever go back to Thailand one day, I'll keep my hotel receipts for proof.

3 minutes ago, RBOP said:

And if its not done within 24 hours when you go to immigration for extension or what ever reason they can reject you until the TM30 is filed and fine paid.

Sounds like a bit of a money grab to me.  How would I know if the hotel where I stayed filed a TM30 24 hours after I arrived there?  I wouldn't really know until I go to immigration 30 days later to extend my stay and then they tell me I owe them 2,000 baht.

2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The owner, house master, possessor of a property needs to do a TM30 within 24 hour, to report an alien staying. For most that is a hotel doing the reporting and you dont need to do anything.

If its other than a hotel then the owner/possessor reports. Most expats or longer stay tourists are not staying in hotels so the owner/possessor of the property needs to report within 24 hours. Most owners and long term renters are the owner/possessor and are reporting themselves as the alien.

 

Thanks for clearing that up Peter, I get it now.

7 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

They are getting fined for not having a TM30 submitted 24 hours after arrival.

TM30 and fines for not doing one, has nothing to do with legal/illegal entry .

If I come to Thailand legally with my passport, are you saying that 24 hours after arrival I need to fill out a TM30 still?

7 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

And even more humorously, someone who crossed an international border illegally will be filling out a form to let the authorities know just where they can find them. No, I don't think so.

Makes perfect sense now.  Someone enters Thailand illegally and then right away fills out a TM30 form to let immigration know where they are ????

2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Go to Jomtien immigration, 90% of the people doing TM30s and paying fines are tourists extending their stay. After a 2 hour wait and a fine, they are not happy campers. 

Why do they have to pay a fine if they entered legally?  I don't get it.

34 minutes ago, jackdd said:

I told you already that this is wrong.

Maybe you should start reading the law, you claim to be a lawyer

You're  saying that if one enters Thailand "legally", then no need for the 24 hour report? If so, what is all the fuss about then?

22 hours ago, canthai55 said:

And visit an astrologer - see if the stars reveal when a Karaoke bar will open ...

How can you predict the Future ? What is fine now may not be next week - month - year - 2 years ...

Due diligence is all well and good, but that takes care of today only.

Want peace and quiet - Guaranteed ? Buy 50 Rai, construct a road to the dead centre of it, and build away

Doesn't Thailand have controlled areas where you drive through a gate where all houses have some type of similar standard so that one does not have to worry about bars etc opening up right next door?

23 hours ago, XGM said:

 

Obviously you should look first and then ask long term stayers more specific questions.

 

Picking CM over PKK due to shortage of white people in the specific place your wife's relatives live at? makes very little sense. There are plenty of places in the South with many foreigners, for example Hua Hin, which is in PKK last time I've checked.

 

CM pollution: This year is significantly worse than last year. How do you make a projection to the future? average over last 20 years will result in a conclusion the situation is not very bad. Taking last 5 years will tell a different story. If you judge by this year then it's quite terrible.

 

So, to summarize:

- Location of about a 1,000 Km from your wife's preferred area.

- The house will be on her name

- In a increasingly polluted area

- In a place you know very little about (ever visited here?)

 

Great idea ????

I meant the town of PKK.  We both stayed at Hua Hin and didn't like it.

Have to admit that after reading all the comments about CM, we need to rethink things a little bit.  My wife remembers CM from 25 years ago and obviously things have changed for the worst up there. 

Renting for a little while might be the best option. 

He is for sure working for Wall Street and the bankers.  Seems like there are no decent leaders left anywhere in the world any more.

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone!  Yes, I think it would be better to actually go there and look around more to see how we feel.  I didn't know CM was so crowded and that the dirty air lasts so long.  We have relatives in Prachuap Khiri Khan and they keep telling us it's much nicer down there, so I would say right now I am at the confused state.  I did go to PKK and it was nice, but I felt like the only white guy there and it was an odd feeling for sure.

So what would be a reasonable price range where a 3 bedroom house would be built to a decent standard?  I want something that the kids can rely on later on in the future to be a stable home for them.

Would be in my wife's name.  Don't worry, been married 20 years and it will pass down to her kids later on.  Would prefer a house really, not a condo fan myself.  Can be anywhere in Thailand yes, I'm open to ideas if there is decent parks and shops around within walking distance.  I was thinking of Chiang Mai as I don't want to be isolated in an area where I am just about the only farang ????

I originally wanted Mae Phim Beach area, but the beach was so dirty when we got there that we gave up on that idea.  Nobody smiles in Mae Phim either, it was really strange.

Trump did run a campaign for a stronger middle class and savers to raise interest rates to a reasonable rate so that the economy will balance in the long run.  Not sure why he all of a sudden caved into Wall Street  demands. 

13 minutes ago, lucky11 said:

 

 

''they may lose military backing from the US and when that happens, China will pounce on them like wild dogs''.  

 

 Yeh right!!! the US is going to let that happen.

If Trump becomes President and Duterte mouths off, I would bet that Trump will cut military protection.  Trump is about USA only and is always looking for ways to scale back anywhere and everywhere he feels the US is not appreciated.  I based my comment on that only because the chances of Trump becoming President are quite strong now.  Duterte needs to think more before speaking as it will come back to haunt him.

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He's definitely a nut but he was elected ... 

I wouldn't make any predictions. 

 

From my POV, I hope Obama DOES say something. Don't  be bullied. 

Obama did say something, he cancelled the meeting.  Duterte's mouth will create a lot of hardship for the Philippines in the long run as they may lose military backing from the US and when that happens, China will pounce on them like wild dogs.  

Just my point of view, but if Trump becomes President, he will remember very clearly what the Philippine President thinks of the US and I can just see him tell Duterte........"yeah, you're right, the US sucks, see ya and by the way,  fend for yourselves and see how that works out for you"

What's the point about lecturing Ameriica about racism at the cops funeral.???

He's just doing what he does best - dividing folks.

Imagine what it will be like under a President Trump! Obama will be considered a unifier.

Obama may be deeply missed depending who the next POTUS is. Things could be better, but then again, things could be far worse.

Turkey is becoming more extremist by the second. This attempted coup is the just the opportunity Erdogan needs to get rid of everyone opposed to this radical ideals.

Where is all this going?

Obviously military confrontation down the road. Question is, who's going to back down first? We all know what happens when nobody backs down.

Nobody is going to attack anybody else. The US doesn't need to. There are far too many internal social and economic problems in China for the Chinese to deal with. If the Chinese tried to attack another country in sufficient mass, it would crumble at home. And the US only need sit and watch, if it comes to that. Probably, the US is more worried about internal Chinese instability than Chinese expansion.

Unlike the West, China prints their own money and owes interest on their freshly minted money to no one but themselves. That leads me to believe they have all the money in the world to start something without too much worry about it. Of course I hope it never happens, but when ego's flare, you just never know where it leads to. Hopefully our economies are intertwined enough that it leads to nothing, but history always seems to repeat itself.

Where is all this going?

Obviously military confrontation down the road. Question is, who's going to back down first? We all know what happens when nobody backs down.

I am interested in the effects this will have on the UK economy. So far the value of the pound has plunged and the UK has lost its AAA rating. So not good signs that it was a sensible decision. Also the people who are advocating don't seem to have much of an idea of what economic effects leaving will have.

The UK lost it's AAA credit rating because they have been growing their debt-to-GDP and they were close to the edge already in which adding an extra 5% or so to it would in itself warranted a downgrade.... a changing of the economic outlook to recession because of uncertainty then restructuring to fit the new reality basically just made them trip over the line a bit quicker.

Yup. UK economics were utterly unsustainable. As are house prices and everything else caught up in the credit bubble.

It is quite amazing that us uneducated leavers are able to identify that the UK's economics were heading to the gutter and one of the methods of rectifying that was to leave the EU and forge our own path free of EU constraints and by controlling immigration levels.

And soooooo many people cannot see or understand this.

The "educated" are always in denial when the so called "uneducated" have so much more common sense and sound reasoning.

From an outsider looking in, a second referendum seems very undemocratic. The people have spoken, the world didn't end and the markets are already stabilizing. UK will be fine and much better off controlling their own destiny.

I don't view a second referendum as more or less democratic than one referendum.... in some ways some viewpoints may have hardened, some may have regretted, and some that basically said... fine I will leave it up to others may make a second referendum have even more of an impact.... I just don't know one way or another.... From a fair play where you compete and accept the results point of view, it does not seem right.... not unless there is some change -- or some reason other than just not liking the results. Really, if there is to be another referendum - it should not happen now but after article 50 is executed, after the negotiations are done - and the leave lays out the final package of what leave actually looks like or what "faux leave" really looks like (assuming that after article 50 they would accept you back in a one foot out, one foot in type of arrangement). There seems to be a leave leave (in the minority) a leave stay that probably would negotiate what they have now but without a voice.

If UK citizens think they can reform Europe - they are sadly mistaken. EU reform will likely happen at some point in the future.... but by the UK having one foot in and one foot out and never really committed to the European project -- they would never ever be taken seriously. This current agreement that they want out is the best that is politically acceptable to the rest of the union - so if the UK thinks they will get offered the Norway option or .... a more limited agreement in depth and breadth that will require economic restructuring... I think they are fooling themselves. In a void, a UK agreement might make economic sense by itself -- but there are 28 members and giving an agreement to one that is only likely to cause internal political discord at being 2nd class citizens.... makes the likelihood of we will get our cake and eat it too while refusing to eat the broccoli .... almost delusional.

I understand what you are saying, but while the EU won't give in too much, many countries in the world will be and are eager to sign new trade agreements with the UK. And whilst the sterling is a little down, a mini tourist boom will happen as a result. Also, for all the wealthy that put on hold their real estate deals, there will probably be many in line to make another deal. I just don't see disaster with the UK. Of course many large corporations are going to have to rethink their approach as the EU markets may or will become more restricted for them, but so many hard working regular people will eventually get decent paying jobs as the borders become tighter again.

From an outsider looking in, a second referendum seems very undemocratic. The people have spoken, the world didn't end and the markets are already stabilizing. UK will be fine and much better off controlling their own destiny.

- GB rejected Europe, now Europe will reject GB.

- Reconciliation GB / USA and Canada.

- Reconciliation EU / Russia and China.

- EU forced to question to avoid contagion.

- Book Columbia will lose sustainably..

But finally everyone will find its rightful place with Europe far away from US tutelage and GB vassal US definitive .

I wonder if Brexit will speed up the UK-Canada-Australia-New Zealand deal where citizens can move, work and live freely within these four countries?