Grouse

1 hour ago, Krataiboy said:

I blame poor education.

 

And exactly whom do you and others who share your arrogant, elitist view blame for the "morons"' poor education? 

 

 

Themselves

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Miserable weather. At least the forecast is better.

the forecast is bitter

Excellent piece on the state of our parliament from the FT

The FT is not a comic for the lumpen. nevertheless it should be read and inwardly digested by all who have a real interest in politics

Who governs Britain? | Financial Times.pdf

10 hours ago, evadgib said:

Moves are afoot to de-select Remain MPs in leave constituencies around the country and quite rightly so. I have no idea if it applies the other way round but wouldn't have a problem if it did.

Then we should change the constitution.

Right now we have s representative democracy the acts as a moron filter. It has worked well for centuries.

You want to directly instruct MPs? Why have them at all? We have the technology to enable this. Vote directly on everything! "Computer says no"

I blame poor education

I do hope that any MP that is threatened in this way resigns from the local party AND crosses the floor ????

10 hours ago, sanemax said:

No, once people have voted, they cannot change their minds at a later date .

If people vote , they cannot go back a few years later and ask for their vote to be changed  , once they've voted, thats it 

What a silly comment

11 hours ago, sanemax said:

Yes, standing down because his constituents didnt want him to represent them because he failed to deliver what they wanted and voted for. 

He is not resigning as an MP. He is not resigning the CON whip. He has resigned from the local CON association. Good.

We WANT MPs of conviction. MPs who will vote according to what they genuinely believe to be best for all their constituents and their country.

The man is an exemplar for the role of MP in a parliamentary representative democracy.

It is shameful that so many of you don't see this?

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

Boles is a winker. 

Maybe, but he is a "winker" of conviction. He is an example of how MPs should act. Note he is still taking the CON whip. I think it's great how he has handled the local CONs! Publically poured their G&Ts over their perms.????

Threatening to deselect a sitting MP for their opinions. Shameful. They selected the man, threatening deselection 3 years before the next election is nothing more than bullying.

9 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Very true - and neither does anyone else as the calculations have never been published.....

 

Edit - Which is more than a bit odd.  As you point out, 39 bn is one hell of a lot of money and so needs to be fully explained!

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-can-we-avoid-paying-the-39-billion-brexit-divorce-bill

8 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

And precisely how would you describe Osborne's promised 'punishment budget' - that was proven to be an outright lie?

It became unnecessary because of quick action by the BoE to slash interest rates even though the GBP was collapsing and massive QE. 

2 hours ago, bomber said:

we have a new bus to admire,now you have to believe in Britain,what that means is anyone's guess.Many foreign businesses dont,majority of MPs dont,the markets dont,the EU dont,and millions of folks dont,and i dont,anyone on here going on the march by any chance?

Did they not see the low bridge sign?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/nick-boles-resigns-from-conservative-association-brexit

Good man, Nick Boles! An MP with conviction!

His local party chairman is the quintessential gammon! Good for nothing except sausage meat.

48 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I wasnt in the UK at the time and I dont know what most Brexiters thought .

BTW , how do you know what 8 million people were thinking ?

Was there some kind of questionnaire or something or is this another Alexrich "Most voters assumed the first priority would be a trade deal" kind of thing . 

  ( Its in quotation marks, so, someone must have said it )

What has become increasingly obvious is that a majority of the electorate didn't even know what they are for breakfast. Frankly, universal suffrage is overrated 

2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

You seriously think voters wanted BRINO, plus paying 39bn for the privilege?

 

Having said this, no doubt another known poster will be along soon to pretend that leave posters have never given any reason for why they are against the eu/may deal....

You have absolutely no idea what the 39 billion is for have you? You think this country agrees to hand over money for nothing? It's not housekeeping money.

Just now, sanemax said:

I wont bother replying to you then, Bye back .

Ignored

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

You stated "lies" were told and I am asking you what "lies" were told .

The big lie told was that the referendum result would be enacted upon .

We voted to leave , the Gov voted against leaving .

The vote was to leave , not to leave with any agreements .

The Gov should have followed the will of the voters and voted to leave without any agreements

Leaving with no deal was NEVER mentioned 

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

I wasnt in the UK at the time so I may have missed them, but , what were the promises made ?

  (Please dont mention THAT bus , that wasnt a promise , it was a suggestion )

So, what are the "promises" made to secure Brexiters vote that were never kept ?

Here's a few

1) We would gain control of our borders

2) We would control our money

3) Trade deal would be easy including rolling over existing EU negotiated deals

4) Norway or Switzerland deals were possible templates

5) 'uge USA deal

6) we would regain Our sovereignty 

Do you want me to update you?

3 hours ago, evadgib said:

I'm wary of them as you well know Grouse but i'm intrigued as to whats coming next from either direction.

Does Farange need a new cushion for his telly chair?

I didn't know he had haemorrhoids! Good ????

43 minutes ago, evadgib said:

 

(Posted for content)

Thanks for that. 

We can now see what a poor chap he is.

2 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

Invest in an expensive rear-view mirror.

I've just ignored you

Shame really 

Great brain going to waste on here at least

7 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Should have done this, should have done that......

Smart Alec

Smart Alec

Smart Alec

How about some smart ideas about how to deal with the situation 

Just barracking from the sidelines is unhelpful 

9 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Sales are actually up though , the diminishing profit is due to higher costs

Just the sort of business man we need to listen to!

11 hours ago, car720 said:

I cannot speak for the heavies but when I pull back on the yoke I want the nose to go up, not down.

Modern airliners don't have yokes.

Maybe Boeing could swallow their pride and get some help from Toulouse?

14 minutes ago, Disaantri said:

So with all this blethering and bickering about Brexit, people have neglected to drink .......

 

"Wetherspoons profits down 19%"

Some good news at last.