astor

The extension is always available when your 60 day stamp expires and it's not related to the validity period of the visa.

Yes I know, but what I wanted to say, is that the local immigration didn't aware of the mistake as well. And then they given me the 30 of extension without any problem.

And that visa has an issue date of ?? and an expiration date of ??

Date of issue 7 Jan 2008 , expiration (enter before) 6 Apr. 2008.

Indeed I don't know if it's good for the third entry.

I made the second entry at 6 Apr. but I don't get the usually "used" stamp on my visa.

The officer just wrote the number 2 in a circle.

Your visa has well and truly expired. I'm surprised you were even allowed to use in on April 6 as it does indicate "enter before". It was probably through a lapse in concentration of the immigration officer that you weren't stamped "used".

A triple entry visa valid for 3 months is not much use unless you intend to stay for shorter periods upon each entry.

How can a triple entry visa be good only for 3 months?

If I 'd intend to stay for short periods in 3 months, I no need of visas. Because I allowed to make 3 entries for 30 days each.

I don't think about the lapse of concentration at the immigration. In that case we'd have two episode like that , because I got the 30 days of extension at the local immigration as well.

Of course a triple entry visa can be valid for 3 months as is clearly obvious with yours - you have 3 months.

It's also pretty obvious that if your visa expires on April 6, that's it, it has expired.

You can reason about this anyway you like, but you won't get another entry if your visa has expired.

The extension is always available when your 60 day stamp expires and it's not related to the validity period of the visa.

Then I have took a cheat. Ok that's means I no longer buy a 3 entry for the next time, but only 2.

I just looked back at your first post on this thread. You said you got a triple entry tourist visa in Laos. Which consulate gave you that? I wasn't aware that they were issuing 3x entry tourist visas in Laos.

Back in your home country it may be possible to get 3x entry TV's valid for 6 months. In future it may help to inquire about the validity period when you apply.

I will do it as soon as I go back to my home country, or I will get a 2 entry visa in Laos.

However, thank you for your suggestions.

And that visa has an issue date of ?? and an expiration date of ??

Date of issue 7 Jan 2008 , expiration (enter before) 6 Apr. 2008.

Indeed I don't know if it's good for the third entry.

I made the second entry at 6 Apr. but I don't get the usually "used" stamp on my visa.

The officer just wrote the number 2 in a circle.

Your visa has well and truly expired. I'm surprised you were even allowed to use in on April 6 as it does indicate "enter before". It was probably through a lapse in concentration of the immigration officer that you weren't stamped "used".

A triple entry visa valid for 3 months is not much use unless you intend to stay for shorter periods upon each entry.

How can a triple entry visa be good only for 3 months?

If I 'd intend to stay for short periods in 3 months, I no need of visas. Because I allowed to make 3 entries for 30 days each.

I don't think about the lapse of concentration at the immigration. In that case we'd have two episode like that , because I got the 30 days of extension at the local immigration as well.

Of course a triple entry visa can be valid for 3 months as is clearly obvious with yours - you have 3 months.

It's also pretty obvious that if your visa expires on April 6, that's it, it has expired.

You can reason about this anyway you like, but you won't get another entry if your visa has expired.

The extension is always available when your 60 day stamp expires and it's not related to the validity period of the visa.

Then I have took a cheat. Ok that's means I no longer buy a 3 entry for the next time, but only 2.

And that visa has an issue date of ?? and an expiration date of ??

Date of issue 7 Jan 2008 , expiration (enter before) 6 Apr. 2008.

Indeed I don't know if it's good for the third entry.

I made the second entry at 6 Apr. but I don't get the usually "used" stamp on my visa.

The officer just wrote the number 2 in a circle.

Your visa has well and truly expired. I'm surprised you were even allowed to use in on April 6 as it does indicate "enter before". It was probably through a lapse in concentration of the immigration officer that you weren't stamped "used".

A triple entry visa valid for 3 months is not much use unless you intend to stay for shorter periods upon each entry.

How can a triple entry visa be good only for 3 months?

If I 'd intend to stay for short periods in 3 months, I no need of visas. Because I allowed to make 3 entries for 30 days each.

I don't think about the lapse of concentration at the immigration. In that case we'd have two episode like that , because I got the 30 days of extension at the local immigration as well.

And that visa has an issue date of ?? and an expiration date of ??

Date of issue 7 Jan 2008 , expiration (enter before) 6 Apr. 2008.

Indeed I don't know if it's good for the third entry.

I made the second entry at 6 Apr. but I don't get the usually "used" stamp on my visa.

The officer just wrote the number 2 in a circle.

The Thai consulate in Vientiane has routinely been issuing double-entry tourist visas in recent months as the only consulate in region doing so. No reports from members about receiving triple-entry tourist visas.

--

Maestro

I'm a holder of triple entry tourist visa. I got it at last January in Laos.

I had a good standing account for about 2 years with 1 well known site and after being in Thailand for 2 months my account got closed..they didnt even want to tell me why but eventually told me it was because i was in Thailand and Gambling online from there is illegal.

They said I could regain my account when I returned home... So be careful.

I think those casino made an abuse against you,. Because they can know where you are upon your subscription, and then they can reject you immediately.

But they accepted you and your money (they well knowing you been in Thailand) and after they closed your account.

In the online casinos you can also play in funny version. So I don't broke any laws if I play without money.

Has anyone tried changing their DNS servers? I have had similar problems before and changing the DNS address in internet options to the DNS address of Open DNS solved that problem.

I can't see it for one week, I have Tot . No censure writing but, simply the usual blank page (tha page cannot be dispayed).

I never touched the Dns .But before I can see it and now I can't.

I done that test at different times and the result is the same. Even if I have a few complaints about file sharing.

Just out of curiousity - why is the Thai Gouvernment so "Anti Long Stay Tourist" ...... I know alot of guys that work in the UK / Europe for 6 months during srping / summer, save up alot of cash, then go to Thailand for the autumn / winter (6 months) and spend all that cash...... I'm talking like 10 grand...... as in half a million Baht..... surely that is a good thing for the country? I can understand why they would want to stop foriegners buying up land & houses, pushing up prices etc., but what is wrong with people hanging around spending what is locally a hel_l of alot of money..... this money is filtering back up the entire country one way or another..... the typical long stay tourist is not exaclt a burden on the state?

Just seems pointless to me........... could some one fill me in?

I think they see it more as a way to combat foreigners working illigaly in Thailand.

This seems a colossal lie. Where are all this foreigners working illegally? I don't belive that. We all know, how difficult it is for a foreigner working in Thailand. Let alone to do it in illegally way.

First ; because the employers prefer Thai staff . But above at all, because no employer would expose to the risk to end up in jail , just for having hired an illegally employee. Unless it's a crazy.

Stricter rules on Tourist visas issued in Penang from February 1, 2008

BANGKOK: -- The Royal Thai Consulate in Penang is expected to impose stricter rules regarding the issuing of Tourist Visas.

Thaivisa.com have been advised that the Royal Thai Consulate-General in Penang as from TOMORROW, February 1 2008, will only issue Tourist Visas to those in possession of an air ticket departing from Thailand to an international destination not local in the same region. (i.e. not Vietnam, Malaysia or similar.)

It is believed that the reason for the tightening of the rules is to reduce the number of foreigners using tourist visas to stay long term in Thailand, and not for tourism purposes for which this visa is intended, therefore abusing the system.

Of wich abuse they are talking about? Is there a thai law that prevents to stay long term under t.v? I know not!

Then, there is not abuse.

Our source is from a reliable person, who normally provides us with accurate information, and we have no reason to doubt the accuracy of this information.

The new ticket rule is not officially confirmed as yet.

--thaivisa.com 2008-01-31

I read that some of you ,are praising the visrtues of hypermarket compared to the traditional shops.

Better service, grater hygiene , fresh products etc.. Notting of more false.

Today I went to Carrefour (sometimes I go there, strange but true)

But I had to suffer the annoying queues for pay.

The Carrefour has 40 desks but only 8 were opened. 8 to 40. I had to wait 15 minutes for pay. And that would be a good service? Have they afraid to hire some cashier more?

Also 7/ 11, and F.M. have the same defect. They have two desks but only one is opened , and I never understand that.

Fresh products? But the problem is ,that some products are a bit too fresh. The fruit. I'm sorry to say that , but the fruit in the hypermarket is expensive and is disgusting. You very lucky if you can find some ripe fruit in there. So I buy fruit at the traditional markets, has a fragrance and a flavor.

Hygiene? Some few days ago in a great hypermarket I saw a very big rat ,that running among the shelves ,between the amazement of customers.

Really a very great hygiene, congratulations.....

Despite the right complains by the local shopkeepers the local autorities have bent to the arrogance of these multinationals.

Nope, the will of the people. At the public meeting, more than twice as many voted "for"! Funny how you ignore that.

Let stand the obviousness please. If you have a relative who risk his job do to the invasion of these multinationals maybe you should think different.

I don't have anything against the hypermarkets, provided it meets a certain balance.

In Pattaya there are already two Big C, two Lotus one Carrefour , and another megastore is under construction between the beach and second road. I think that is enough.

Does really needs another Lotus?

Is the exaggeration that doesn't good, because it's break those balances to wich I was referring. Now the situation risk to be unbalanced in favour of these megastores, and that can create social friction.

For my part I be on the side of these small shopkeepers

I be not on their side, because they not be on my side

Why? Are the multinationals on your part?

Do you know who are you for them? You are not a people ,but you are a consumer , a chicken to budget.

If you are a their employee , you are a human resource just like the oil, the coal, the gas etc..

Despite the right complains by the local shopkeepers the local autorities have bent to the arrogance of these multinationals.

Nope, the will of the people. At the public meeting, more than twice as many voted "for"! Funny how you ignore that.

Let stand the obviousness please. If you have a relative who risk his job do to the invasion of these multinationals maybe you should think different.

I don't have anything against the hypermarkets, provided it meets a certain balance.

In Pattaya there are already two Big C, two Lotus one Carrefour , and another megastore is under construction between the beach and second road. I think that is enough.

Does really needs another Lotus?

Is the exaggeration that doesn't good, because it's break those balances to wich I was referring. Now the situation risk to be unbalanced in favour of these megastores, and that can create social friction.

For my part I be on the side of these small shopkeepers

I be not on their side, because they not be on my side

Why? Are the multinationals on your part?

Do you know who are you for them? You are not a people ,but you are a consumer , a chicken to budget.

If you are a their employee , you are a human resource just like the oil, the coal, the gas etc..

with their arrogance, poor service, small selection, need to bargain, ripping off everyone if possible but especially farangs.

Maybe some of them will be hired by Lotus express .

Very doubtful, because they are too mean and arrogant. However, their offspring might. The new Lotus will bring more money into the area and generally help the economy around there.

So that employers will became employees.

And so? Are they owed their status in perpetuity at the expense of the consumers? But they can buy shares in the company and become owners along with countless others. Then they can hope Lotus does well and perhaps end up with more in retirement than they would have from the miserable little shop.

I will never be a customer of these voraciuos multinationals. They will never have a cent from me.

I will always be whenever possible. Much greater variety of products, much better service and quality, prices almost always fair and reasonable, determined by competition in the market. I'm looking forward to the new Central Festival. Wish Frye's, Best Buy, Wal-Mart, and El Ranchero Mexican--among many others--would come in!

I will give my money to the poor people at work and not at these billionaires.

Most Lotus employees appreciate their jobs, and many shareholders not particularly rich. Me, I can't afford to give away money, but glad you're lucky enough to be in such an enviable position.

From Pattaya mail current issue http://www.pattayamail.com/current/news.shtml

A new Lotus branch will be open in Pattaya . Despite the right complains by the local shopkeepers the local autorities have bent to the arrogance of these multinationals. For my part I be on the side of these small shopkeepers, wich rightly fears about theirs future.

Maybe some of them will be hired by Lotus express . So that employers will became employees.

I will never be a customer of these voraciuos multinationals. They will never have a cent from me.

I will give my money to the poor people at work and not at these billionaires.

Progress is progress. How did you get to Thailand, by pack horse or did you fly?

No; I arrived here by the donkey

Do you have a car/pickup or motorcycle, thus doing a cobbler out of his trade.

Tesco employees pay tax on their salaries,

Really ? I don't knew it. Less evil that Eric is arrived to tell me it.

unlike most small shop owners.

Tesco supports many local charities,

I had to get on Thai forum to discover that multinationals are benefactors.

something I've never seen a local shop doing.

Instead I seen them.

Wake up, this is the 21st century.

Do you have a mobile phone?

Do you have electricity?

Oh, I see, somethings modern are OK.

You must to wake up; not me. Because I think that you be under general anaesthetic by the mawkishness of these giants of the trade.

Well, you are welcome to come to my island which only has small local shops and the prices of many things (like vegetables for instance) are double those of the mainland. I am sure the shopkeepers here would welcome your support

The island is generally more expensive than the mainland ,because is more difficult to carry the goods. You should know it.

Even on islands off Pattaya (Ko lan etc) everything is more expensive compared to the mainland. Or would you like a nice Carrefour also in Ko lan or Ko Samet ? It woul be a really beautiful landscape to be seen for the tourists.

Interesting post astor. However, there stores suceed because people use them and they do, on the whole, provide a complete service under one roof. So while I agree it's a shame to see small stores suffer, you can't stop 'progress'!

Shame really.

This is not progress , but is subjugate the entire world and the peoples to the logic of the indiscriminate capitalism.

Is progress create milions of unemployes?

Is progress to get into debt million people.

Is progress create poverty instead of wealth?

Is progress flatten the world for the benefit of a few privileged people?

And I could still continue.

This is what that the multinationals are doing,

From Pattaya mail current issue http://www.pattayamail.com/current/news.shtml

A new Lotus branch will be open in Pattaya . Despite the right complains by the local shopkeepers the local autorities have bent to the arrogance of these multinationals. For my part I be on the side of these small shopkeepers, wich rightly fears about theirs future.

Maybe some of them will be hired by Lotus express . So that employers will became employees.

I will never be a customer of these voraciuos multinationals. They will never have a cent from me.

I will give my money to the poor people at work and not at these billionaires.

Certainly the consular activities that you mentioned are important for Penang. (anyway a thai embassy also exits in k.L. for that). But there's no doubt that the issuance of visas it's one of the primary source of income for it.

And I don't think that they wish to surrender so easily to that important source of income. Unless they are masochists.

And I don't think that the agent in Pattaya ignore what happen in Penang. At this time they should be flooded of complaints.

Vientiane is well know by them, but it's not proposed, do to his inconvenience because the flights fares are still too expensive for that destination.

Flying to Udon Thani can be very cheap. I got return airfares for two: 2460 baht total. Add the short hop to Friendship bridge and it can still end up cheaper going to Vientiane.

You right ; at present time this option is certainly the best . However the travel agents don't consider such solution,and I don't know the why.

A consulate earn trought the visas. If spread the voice (in the internet the voices it's spread at the light speed) that Penang consulate denises visas with great ease (without good reasons); Penang will close ,or at least it's significantly resize.

True, but I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that the main purpose of the Royal Thai Consulate in Penang is not to issue Tourist Visas to non-resident applicants, but rather to cater to 1) Malaysians and 2) Thais working in Malaysia (not by issuing visas, of course), but birth certificates,passports(?), etc.

Certainly the consular activities that you mentioned are important for Penang. (anyway a thai embassy also exits in k.L. for that). But there's no doubt that the issuance of visas it's one of the primary source of income for it.

And I don't think that they wish to surrender so easily to that important source of income. Unless they are masochists.

And I don't think that the agent in Pattaya ignore what happen in Penang. At this time they should be flooded of complaints.

Vientiane is well know by them, but it's not proposed, do to his inconvenience because the flights fares are still too expensive for that destination.

I think it's time to do some clarity about this thing. (I apologize for my english not perfect)

If I go in any travel agency in Pattaya or in Bangkok and I ask: where can I go to get a t.v ? They answer me: Penang is the best place.

A consulate earn trought the visas. If spread the voice (in the internet the voices it's spread at the light speed) that Penang consulate denises visas with great ease (without good reasons); Penang will close ,or at least it's significantly resize.

Several friends of mine have returned from Penang this month having renewed their tourist visas without any problems or red stamps. Can we assume Penang is back to "normal"?

As far as I know people with less than 3Tourist Visa in their Passport has no problem, only people which had already 3 TouristVisa from any Thai Embassy/Consulte will be denied.

And if these 3 visas does go back some years ago? For example 2 or 3 years ago? If I 3 years ago I been in Thailand under tourist visa, for 9 months, do they refuse me a new t.v ?

If I been in Thailand under t.v. for 9 months ,I became persona non grata? (just for Penang) But not for the another thai embassies and consulates ?

All of that seems to me ridicolous and absurd at the same time.

Sometimes this forum is very useful , but sometimes it makes alarmism, often unjustified.

4 pages of debate just because one person couldn’t get the visa.

Penang issues dozen of visas a day , many people go there every day and everybody can get their visa.

Of course may happen that in the multitude, some unfortunate get a nasty stamp, or a refusal.

It’s like a factory that produces thousands shoes a day. Not all of them comes out perfect, some defective pair exits.

And I think that also applies to the embassies that issues thousands of visas every day.I know that there are not rules, and that of this is at the discretion of embassies ,but if a visa is refused is because the valid reasons exists. And not because you stay in Thailand like as a tourist for long term.

No law prohibits to live as a tourist for long term in Thailand.

If they afraid that there are foreigners working illegally , I suggest them to make come controls.

If they know that many farang working illegally ,why they don’t brought in ?

You can continue with your head-in-the-sand attitude if you like. Other people like to know what is going on thereby reducing their chances of going all the way to Penang for a tourist visa for nothing.

But many people continue to go there ,and a most of them for a t.v.

The reasons for Penangs toughening up are well documented on this forum in many threads.

I suggest you do some reading before you start comparing the Penang Consulate with a shoe factory.

With all due respect, this forum is not a bible. I draw some informations also from the real life, and not only from the virtual one.

The example of the shoe factory was only a metaphor.

Sometimes this forum is very useful , but sometimes it makes alarmism, often unjustified.

4 pages of debate just because one person couldn’t get the visa.

Penang issues dozen of visas a day , many people go there every day and everybody can get their visa.

Of course may happen that in the multitude, some unfortunate get a nasty stamp, or a refusal.

It’s like a factory that produces thousands shoes a day. Not all of them comes out perfect, some defective pair exits.

And I think that also applies to the embassies that issues thousands of visas every day.

I know that there are not rules, and that of this is at the discretion of embassies ,but if a visa is refused is because the valid reasons exists. And not because you stay in Thailand like as a tourist for long term.

No law prohibits to live as a tourist for long term in Thailand.

If they afraid that there are foreigners working illegally , I suggest them to make come controls.

If they know that many farang working illegally ,why they don’t brought in ?