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2 minutes ago, vogie said:
And where have you been, have you heard the Greens and the Lib/Undems saying that they would not honour another referendum if/when leave won again.
And what they say (if indeed they said that, perhaps you can post a link to support your claim) is relevant how, exactly. They're not likely to be running the show now, are they?
I seem to remember Farage saying that a 52-48 vote would not be the end of it.
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1 minute ago, bristolboy said:
What is it about Johnson's lies to have made progress in EU negotiations that doesn't count for you as evidence?
Prime Minister's statement: 2 September 2019
"In the last few weeks the chances of a deal have been rising, I believe, for three reasons.
They can see that we want a deal.
They can see that we have a clear vision for our future relationship with the EU - something that has perhaps not always been the case."
Boris Johnson’s statements about the state of Brexit negotiations bear little relationship to reality, E.U. officials say
European Union officials were astonished when British Prime Minister Boris Johnson this week claimed to be “encouraged by the progress” of critical, last-ditch Brexit negotiations.
Nothing is under negotiation, they said, because he has not bothered to make any suggestions.
Europeans listened to Johnson accuse the British Parliament of destroying his leverage by removing the threat of a no-deal withdrawal and pushing for another Brexit extension beyond the Oct. 31 deadline.
No appropriate emoji for this, the actions of a so-called PM demand a much higher standard, it's not funny and I don't like it. Use of the "sad" one might give the wrong impression about what's making me sad.
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Just now, vogie said:
And referendums are meant for ignoring. Fool me once, shame on you......Fool me twice shame on me.
They're supposed to be fought within electoral law, perhaps the leave team will try to stay within it this time. BTW, where have you been these past three years if you think the earlier, adisory referendum has been ignored?
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9 minutes ago, Thairealist said:
That is why we must hold a General Election, to see if the British people want to leave the E.U.
So what is stopping us :-
A referendum on the current alternatives (which were not known three years ago) is what should decide. As there seem to be three alternatives, a transferable vote should be used if none of the alternatives get 50%. The referendum should be binding (unlike the earlier one). General elections are for electing MP's.
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1 hour ago, nauseus said:
She had 3 years and did zip except screw everything up. Now Boris has effectively been stopped from doing anything. Have a coffee.
He's had three years to think of an alternative to the backstop but there's no evidence of one coming from him and his special friend.
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2 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:'Think Boris and domino will now try to lobby one member state Hungry, Italy, Greece, or Spain (if we return Gibraltar) into vetoing any extension thus leaving the chicken Teresa May's slightly grilled thin skinned and boneless deal or crash out by default whether a no deal has been ruled out or not????
0r Johnson might choose to lie in a ditch and top himself, having declared that as his prefered option.
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3 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:Certainly lost the plot but it is very sinister indeed when unelected advisors appear to be running the governments policies ( and sacking people who are not sycophants) as can be witnessed by the apparent antics of Boris and his team members all following Dominic Cummings instructions.
How long before "Leavers" brand Johnson and Cummings as traitors for failing to deliver what they want? Didn't take them long to turn on May and remember Johnson was really pro-EU before he saw an opportunity to further his career when offered the chance to head up the leave campaign.
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25 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:Remainers have now killed democracy in the UK. Well done guys!
Yeah, right.
This is what helps nail shut the lid on British democracy.
These links refer to illegal spending by the official Leave campaign headed by Boris and Gove. The first article is well worth taking time to read.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/14/judges-brexit-vote-eu-referendum-vote-leave
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44856992
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47755611
These are proven cases in law. This is aside from the blatant lies spouted, most notably the high profile “£350m a week” bus.
Then there’s the matter of the Leave.EU’s unlawful campaign funding and data breaches:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44080096
“The Electoral Commission has referred Leave.EU chief executive Liz Bilney to the police, saying it had reasonable grounds to suspect she had committed criminal offences over campaign spending.
Bob Posner, the Commission's director of political finance and regulation, said spending rules were in place to ensure public confidence in democracy and it was "disappointing that Leave.EU, a key player in the EU referendum, was unable to abide by these rules".
"These are serious offences. The level of fine we have imposed has been constrained by the cap on the Commission's fines," he added.”
Aaron Banks “loaned” some £6m to his own Leave.EU campaigned but has unlawfully concealed where that money came from, it most likely comes from outside of the UK. If it were legitimate and allowable then he would have declared the source.
Why would these wealthy individuals have spent so many millions on campaigning? Clearly to convince people to vote the way they wanted – there can be no other explanation. As it would have taken less than 2% of those who voted to have chosen remain rather than leave, it would be unbelievable to pretend that the result was right.
One final point that I just found in one of the above articles. It was widely acknowledged in the build-up to the referendum that it was “advisory”, although leave campaigners pretend that wasn’t the case. The irony here is that because it was advisory, the Electoral Commission cannot declare the vote void or order a re-run.
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48 minutes ago, BritManToo said:
I thought he was paraphrasing the effeminate guy from the carry on movies.
Kenneth Williams, another sadly departed comedty genius. To be fair I was torn between him and Frankie H. Oooer Mrs.
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3 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:
Oh, so much worse.
Much much worse.
The horror, the horror...... (spoken in hushed tones a la Marlon Brando as Col Kurtz in Apocalypse Now).....
Strange that, it sounded more like Frankie Howerd to me!
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1 hour ago, Daffy D said:
"Young, Dumb and Banged Up in the Sun"
I got mine from Tvchaos but so far only Episode 1-4. Hopefully the rest will follow.
Trying to be helpful I put out the pirate link for those who don't use Tvchaos but now see they don't have many seeders. Pirate ............../search/Young, Dumb and Banged Up in the Sun/0/99/0
Seems 1337X has also has it but only Episodes 1-5.
Tvchaos?
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10 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:We had a referendum on this and if this is not carried through democracy in the UK is dead.
This is what helps nail shut the lid on British democracy.
These links refer to illegal spending by the official Leave campaign headed by Boris and Gove. The first article is well worth taking time to read.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/14/judges-brexit-vote-eu-referendum-vote-leave
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44856992
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47755611
These are proven cases in law. This is aside from the blatant lies spouted, most notably the high profile “£350m a week” bus.
Then there’s the matter of the Leave.EU’s unlawful campaign funding and data breaches:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44080096
“The Electoral Commission has referred Leave.EU chief executive Liz Bilney to the police, saying it had reasonable grounds to suspect she had committed criminal offences over campaign spending.
Bob Posner, the Commission's director of political finance and regulation, said spending rules were in place to ensure public confidence in democracy and it was "disappointing that Leave.EU, a key player in the EU referendum, was unable to abide by these rules".
"These are serious offences. The level of fine we have imposed has been constrained by the cap on the Commission's fines," he added.”
Aaron Banks “loaned” some £6m to his own Leave.EU campaigned but has unlawfully concealed where that money came from, it most likely comes from outside of the UK. If it were legitimate and allowable then he would have declared the source.
Why would these wealthy individuals have spent so many millions on campaigning? Clearly to convince people to vote the way they wanted – there can be no other explanation. As it would have taken less than 2% of those who voted to have chosen remain rather than leave, it would be unbelievable to pretend that the result was right.
One final point that I just found in one of the above articles. It was widely acknowledged in the build-up to the referendum that it was “advisory”, although leave campaigners pretend that wasn’t the case. The irony here is that because it was advisory, the Electoral Commission cannot declare the vote void or order a re-run.
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3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:Enlighten us where your democracy is from. Whilst I am appalled at the way our self serving MP's behave the British democracy as you put it, has been copied and implemented across many parts of the globe, successfully.
Democracy is a misnomer for the political system in the UK.
The MP's sitting in the House of Commons are not representative of the votes cast.
That contributes to a lack of trust in the system and a low turnout.
The House of Lords is unelected.
The Head of State is unelected.
The Prime Minister is unelected save for a very small number of his own party.
Whitehall mandarins are unelected (I only include this group as so much noise is made about EU civil servants being unelected).
And you hold this up as a shining light for democracy?
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4 minutes ago, Proboscis said:
The poor pensioners will not be charged as the BBC will continue to pay their TV license. Only the richer ones will have to pay.
I am not a fan of Sir Cliff - for me he is just another celeb - but he was wrongly arrested, he was left in limbo while the whole world thought he was a pedophile and the BBC invaded his privacy by having the police raid on prime time. What was he supposed to do? In the UK, there is not a lot you can legally do other than sue. It is the only option open to you other than doing nothing.
On your first point, I believe only those poor pensioners aged 75 or above get the free licences.
On your second point I completely agree but would add that the BBC might have doen better to admit that they had acted wrongly and made an early settlement thus saving the licence payers' hard earned dosh.
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9 minutes ago, faraday said:
Still don't understand how the Police got it so wrong...
Agreed and it must have been a horrible ordeal for Sir Cliff to have experienced. There is no excuse for the police leaking details of an enquiry to the media.
Notwithstanding the above, investigating a suspect then finding out that they are indeed innocent is considerably less harmful than letting the guilty go unpunished due to a lack of proper investigation.
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29 minutes ago, colinneil said:Money grabbing git, meanwhile poor pensioners are being threatened will prison for not paying the the extortionate license fee..... Bloody disgraceful plonker.
Can't agree with you on this one you cranky old <deleted>.
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OP are you sure you've not confused the advice about keeping a copy of your passport with you with driving licences? I don't recall reading about copies of DL's before.
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13 hours ago, sherwood said:
Good to know, thanks.
You did have prior warning though.
Another fella on here still thinks it is legal to ride after three months in Thailand on an IDP.
Live and learn.
"thinks" is a bit of an understatement, its like his mission on Earth to convince the rest of humanity to believe!
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23 hours ago, SinCityGr8One said:
There are 26,000 gun laws on the books at State and National levers. How many more are needed to curb another incident like this? 1,000, 5,000, 20,000? Enforce the laws in place instead. Chicago has the most restrictive laws in place. However it is Murder capitol in the US due to criminals having guns. Does anyone with some brain matter in their head think criminals would obey the laws? NO, they would not. Gun free zones are the biggest joke in the US as criminals think Yes, this is a Christmas present for them. Gun control to me is a steady aim.
Never heard of quality over quantity? What is required is simply one piece of effective legislation, which would clearly be one more than there is now.
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5 minutes ago, mikebike said:
I've been taking a look at pre-code Hollywood films that I haven't seen or haven't seen for some time. A good list to start here: http://pre-code.com/my-list-of-essential-pre-code-hollywood-films/
I was going to ask what pre-code is until I saw that there was an explanation in your link. Then I learned a new word, miscegenation. Apparently I am a miscegenationist, who'da thunk it?
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Good news for you. I hope it lasts. Not all Thais are vindictive and what they've been told to do is not unreasonable so I wouldn't worry about repercussions.
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35 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:
What constitution?
The result of the non-binding, advisory referendum has been heard.
Sticky Wicket, you seem confused by the question. You refered to "the constitution". I wanted clarification from you as to what or which constitution you are refering. Seems a simple enough question to me.
Or is it the terms of the referendum that has left you confused?
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I'm looking forward to this, it's due to start at the end of the month and has a great cast including Forest Whitaker, Vincent D'Onofrio (Law & Order: Criminal Intent), Giancarlo Esposito (Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul, Revolution), Paul Sorvino and Lucy Fry (Wolf Creek). I just hope the show is equal to the sum of its parts.
"In the early 1960s, infamous crime boss Bumpy Johnson returns from 10 years in prison to find the neighborhood he once ruled in shambles; with the streets controlled by the Italian mob, Bumpy must take on the Genovese crime family to regain control."
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3 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:Countries don't need a trade deal to trade, duh!
Then why has the leave campaign made so much noise about them?
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Opposition to block UK PM Johnson's early election bid
in World News
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Thanks for the link. It's no different to the likes of Farage in that they will keep fighting to overturn a result that fundamentaly goes against something that they strongly believe in, they would keep on campaigning, be it the EU, abortion, the death penalty, the NHS or any other strongly held belief.
Are you seriously suggesting that all of the leave campaigners would have just said "that's it then" and given up had the vote gone the other way?
While we're at it, let's have your thoughts on electoral fraud as I haven't seen eny response from you about that.