Arkady

1 hour ago, qualtrough said:

It was in an obscure small office in a police compound right across from the Ministry of Education.

 

People at the guardhouse were very friendly and walked us to the small waiting room with two couches. One of the interviewers was actually in the guardhouse.It looks like they had scheduled 4 interviews for the morning and an unknown number for the afternoon. When our turn came we were walked to a room in a larger building where the interview took place.

 

One thing I remember is she said that starting last year they started getting a lot more applications, and she indicated a stack about two feet high that they were working through. They do the interviews once a week she said.

 

BTW, just down the road inside in the same compound there is a good court you can wait at if you come early and want a bite to eat or something to drink.

Interesting re the additional new applications. When I applied in 2010 the vast majority of applicants were still coming via PR and there were only a small number of males applying on the basis of marriage to a Thai.  But that was only 2 years after the 2008 amendment that permitted bypassing of PR for males married to a Thai.  At first they tried to keep a low profile on the amendment by not referring to it in the guidelines or other documentation.  When I asked why, I was told with a straight face at SB that it was better not to advertise this or there would not be any square meter left for Thais by birth to stand on.  Gradually the cat got out of the bag and it is pretty obvious that there are only a small number of people with PR who are eligible to apply (and many of those don't want to go further than PR), compared to a much larger number of people working in Thailand with Thai wives who are eligible.  For them moving up to citizenship from a NON-O visa is much more worthwhile than upgrading from PR, although that is also worthwhile in my opinion.  It was inevitable that, as word got out, there would be a much larger volume of males with Thai wives applying.   The flip side of this is that the greater volume of applicants will inevitably lead them to look for ways to make the process more difficult to discourage applicants, as has happened with PR.

13 hours ago, qualtrough said:

Did my NIA interview today. All staff were very friendly. In the small waiting room a very chatty lady told us what to expect. Two things stand out:

 

1. Don't lie about your income. They don't tell the tax people what your income really is. Funnily enough this question did not come up in the actual interview.

 

2. If you have been married before don't lie about it. Fortunately someone here clued me into the need to show previous divorce docs. Over the phone I was told I could bring them back later once they have been through the embassy/translation/FM certification process, but in the interview she said I need not bother. I will go ahead with that anyway in case it comes up later. Better safe than sorry.

 

I asked the woman in the waiting room  (she was doing interviews in the afternoon) if many people failed and she said she could only think of a couple of times. Basically because they did not meet requirements and were mislead by agents.

 

She did say that several times there have been incidents where the husband/wife revealed a previous marriage previously unknown to their spouse. Had to be put in separate rooms to cool off.

 

Main question was about family back home and what they do, parents, how we met, why I want to obtain citizenship, children,  how I came to be here, what I like about Thailand, the usual.

 

Lots of original document verification, notetaking.

 

Not adversarial at all. Took up about 25 minutes. My wife was interviewed by a friendly guy while I was interviewed by a woman. At the same table, side by side.

 

Question: Now I just sit back and cool my heels for an indeterminate period? Who will be contacting me about the next step, which I assume is the MOI? committee.

 

Thanks again to everyone here who have helped get me to this point!

Love the bit about the couples having to be put in separate rooms to cool off and the advice about not lying about previous marriages. Since the government is happy to rely on foreigners self-certification of freedom to marry, I am not sure how the NIA with its meager budget and resources would uncover any undisclosed marriages, not that I am advocating any dishonesty. But the advice obviously works, if people do actually break down in the interview and confess in front of their partners.

I wonder, if they have a similar success rate in persuading applicants to disclose any additional income not declared to the Revenue Dept or SB. This would presumably invalidate the application as SB requires the income on the salary letter and your tax receipt to match. Again I wonder how NIA would find out that someone has some additional income fron, say, private English lessons or digital nomad work for overseas clients. When I did the interview the officer told me frankly that they had no budget to even go and check applicants’ homes and workplaces, as they done in the past. Perhaps they have received an infusion of cash, now that they have several officers involved in each interview, rather than one guy at McD’s with s budget for one bottle of water for each applicant. Still can’t see them flying overseas to investigate undisclosed marriages.

37 minutes ago, onthemoon said:

You can only use your new Thai passport after you have received it. I read here over the last couple of days that from becoming a Thai citizen to receiving the ID card (which you need to apply for a passport) takes a long time (weeks, months?). 

 

What if you have to travel in the meantime? If you use your foreign passport after you have received the Thai citizenship, they can take it away right away, and if you go an cancel your visa when you become a citizen, you don't have a passport to travel on.

 

So you're in trouble either way, or you have to stay in country until the ID card is issued. Right?

In the weeks between your announcement in the RG and the time you get your ID card and passport, there is no problem with using your foreign passport, as usual. If you have to renew your NON-O extension or get a new endorsement as a PR (the latter is only necessary, if you want to travel abroad), there should be no problem with this, even though it would be a bit galling, knowing you are already Thai.  Getting your passport is very quick, once you have your ID card.  You apply without an appointment and receive it by EMS within 3 working days or pay extra for 1 day express service.

I think Immigration needs your ID card to cancel your visa.  Anyway, it would be rather pointless to try to do it before you get it and put yourself in a limbo for several weeks.

6 hours ago, sas_cars said:

You should cancel your Non-O extension and let them put in passport that reason for cancelation is that you acquired thai nationality. My sister had a nightmare when attempting her first overseas trip due to this (She also acquired thai citizenship but did not cancel her extension of stay) . The immigration at suvanabhumi airport was adamant for her to pay 20,000 Baht overstay fine before she could be allowed to leave thailand, no matter she acquired thai nationality.  It took a great length of discussion and reasoning and her point blank refusal of paying the fine that immigration finally relented after detaining her for 3 hours

There have been differences of opinion about this in the thread.  Some people seem to have got away with not bothering to cancel their visas but your sister's nightmarish scenario is exactly what can happen, if you don't.  I saw no reason to cancel my WP which is a finite thing that just expires without issue, if you don't renew it.  However, it never occurred to me not to return my PR documents, as I didn't want to remain on the various records as a foreigner, even though there was no risk of being detained and fined as an overstayer.  Returning my alien book and residence book only took me 20 minutes at CW on the way to apply for my first passport at the Consular Section nearby.  

If you are willing to take a gamble, you can save the trouble of cancelling a Non-O extension and see if you are one of the lucky ones that Immigration overlooks.  Immigration has also imposed overstay fines on dual nationals, resident abroad, who entered Thailand on a foreign passport and then left on a new Thai passport that they got during their trip to Thailand.  They are clearly acting properly according to their own regulations by fining people who have overstayed on a foreign passport, even if they are Thai citizens, although I think they might lose in the Administrative Court, if anyone ever bothered to challenge them there.  While most dual nationals who enter on a foreign passport and leave on a Thai one don't have the option of cancelling their visa, you do have that option, if you have just acquired Thai nationality.  This is a special case and is the only circumstance in which you can cancel your visa.  My advice would be to bite the bullet and do it, rather risk either being hassled and fined by Immigration and/or missing your flight while you argue the toss with them.  

23 hours ago, yankee99 said:

I actually was going to ask if it was appropriate to bring my children to the moi interview.. thinking it would speed things up. 

Children are only required, if they have applied along with you which can only be the case, if you are applying on the basis of PR and have a foreign wife.  It's a long day for a child to be hanging around, so probably better to park them somewhere else, if you can.

On 6/21/2018 at 2:12 PM, GarryP said:

Spot on for the sweet spot.  

 

The way the language points were issued when I applied was rather disappointing. I was clearly able to read Thai as the knowledge of Thailand test was written in Thai and I had no one assisting me. Yet I got no points for reading because I did not sing the anthems.   

 

From what I recall they were not planning to give me the reading and writing tests, until I requested them. I think they assumed that no one would want to do reading, writing or singing, if they didn’t have to. It turned there was still no formal reading or writing test then, as it was a new addition. So I was asked to read aloud a memo on the officer’s desk and write the full address of SB. I somehow managed to get full points for Thai language including singing which was by far the hardest bit.

5 hours ago, onionluke said:

Hi All ,

 

,my son has dual nationality and I just last week applied for his UK passport renewal . I sent to HMPO Belfast his expired UK passport and his valid Thai passport.  Today they returned his Thai passport with a letter stating his application has been halted as his Thai passport name differs from his UK passport. The difference is his Thai passport has an extra name , Whipu . The expired one  is his third UK passport , he is twelve years old.

My problem is that I have purchased tickets for mid July to fly from the UK to Thailand then back to the UK and his ticket is in his UK passport name. I live in Glasgow and will visit the Thai consulate here tomorrow. 

Does anyone here have any advice as to how to fix this? 

If I can change the name on his ticket to suit his Thai passport will he be allowed back into the UK without his UK passport on his return ?  

Thanks in advance for your good help.

 

onionluke

 

 

You didn’t specify whether the additional name in the Thai passport was a middle name or not. If so, it should not affect the airline ticket, as these are normally issued using just first and last name. The problem is going to be getting the airline to allow him to board in Bangkok without a valid British passport or UK visa in his Thai. UK immigration will let him in on an expired UK passport, since that is adequate proof of citizenship, if he can get past the airline. It might be worth checking with the airline in Bangkok whether they would permit boarding in this circumstance.

The permanent fix will be to either change his UK or Thai name. I think you can change his name by deed poll In the UK in a matter of weeks. Then you could apply in person for a passport using the express service. A Thai name can usually be changed on the spot at the district office but you only do it in Thailand. Another option might be to apply for a Certificate of Entitlement or UK right of abode, in his Thai passport. This is now only available to UK citizens without a valid UK passport. It would be expensive and only a temporary fix, as it is only valid for the life of the passport and has to be cancelled before s new British passport can be issued, so only worth investigating, if all else fails. I am not of the procedure to apply for this in the UK.

4 hours ago, GabbaGabbaHey said:

Anyone knows if getting a copy of the letter that SB sends to MOI with the application documents is a common practice? Have some of you received that -registered mail perhaps?- letter and how long was it after SB transferred the application to MOI?

It certainly was when I applied.  I received a copy of the letter from SB by fax and needed to either show it or quote the date of it when I followed up with the MoI in the years it took for them to schedule my interview. The letter was dated a few weeks after my NIA interview.  Things may have changed by now.

4 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Same thing when I went to CW a few months back to replace my full Residency book, I put the pink card on top of the other books and slid them across the desk to the officer. She immediately picked up the pink card, didn't look at the details at all, and quickly gave it back to me with no comment.

 

Is this perhaps because the pink card is now issued to other visa holders as well as PR holders, in other words it doesn't alone confirm the person is a PR holder?

 

 

The pink card is a certainly a convenience but is not designed for PR holders and just denotes someone who doesn’t have Thai as well as saying on the back that you are not permitted to travel outside your district. I am not surprised CW doesn’t want to see if. At any rate, if the government got its act together and issued smart cards to PR holders, the red book could be dumped and a number of senior sergeant majors at CW could be put out to grass.

Congratulations Sathuluv.

1 hour ago, khongaeng said:

I was just planning on keeping my old bank accounts in my previous nationality. It makes it much easier to transfer money out of Thailand if you have already set up a “salary transfer account” with your bank. From what I understand Thais have a big problem transferring money out of Thailand unless it is for some very specific reasons and a pile of supporting documents. I have never had a problem transferring large amounts out as a foreigner. 

 

Does anyone know if it is somehow illegal to maintain your account in your old nationality especially if you maintain your old passport?

I don’t think I bothered to inform Amex but they don’t often ask for your ID. If they asked me to update personal details, I would do so. I also have a couple of bank accounts I hardly ever use that I still haven’t got around to informing. Then there is the case of SCB which refused point blank to change my nationality for no obvious reason. 

If if you want to do automatic overseas remittances of salary you would have to maintain a foreign nationality bank account but for occasional transfers overseas you can get away with doing it from any bank by producing your passport. A couple of times I had to transfer $US10-30k urgently and Bangkok Bank let me withdraw from my account using my ID card remit the funds overseas using my passport and a letter confirming my salary. They said  the  forms go to the Bank of Thailand but no questions ever come back about this type and size of remittance. You can also take cash into a bank and transfer that. Other branches and banks may do things differently.

12 hours ago, sathuluv said:

Followed up with SB Officer and finally they have asked me to go to SB Office next week to collect the document from them. Later the Amphur officer where I registered my Thai name will call to start the ID card process.

My Missus asked the SB Officer Is that anything we need to prepare or carry with us - Answer: No, nothing required. But, I will carry all my original docs for safety reasons (we all know). 

 

Hi aidenai or Arkedy shed some light on the copy of other documents I should request SB Officer. Then I will make the same.

Congratulations. The standard package you get from SB is your naturalisation certificate and a few certified copies of your announcement in the RG. The DO wanted originals and copies of these and of passport, WP, tabien baan, residence book and alien book (the last 2 for PRs only). I had to make 2 copies of everything because the tabien baan section and the ID card section each wanted their own for some reason. They needed two Thai citizens as witnesses that you really exist but accept your spouse as one of them. I went along to the DO and was told I needed to make an appointment a week ahead.  The reason for this turned out to be that they make fairly heavy weather of the process, being terrified of issued an ID card wrongly, and it took a whole morning in the tabien baan section, followed by the whole afternoon in the ID card section where they asked the same questions all over again and wanted the same documents.

I got a colour photocopy of the letter signed by HMK and a bound copy of the issue of the RG with my announcement in it from my SB officer several months later.  I asked for the letter at the time and followed up two or three times fter hearing nothing more.  I had given up hope when I got a message came saying I could come and pick it up and I got the bound RG as an unexpected bonus.  I was told at the time not to mention it to others, as they were not supposed to give it.  So you didn't hear this from me.  Funnily enough the DO asked to see the letter when I applied for my ID card, just out of interest, saying that quite a few people got them along with their naturalisation certificates.  That suggests they were commonly given out at some point but then became available only by special request, if you had a good relationship with your officer, and then, as Garry has said, not available at all.

I haven't heard of SB issuing certified copies of the naturalisation certificate and have never been asked for one of these.  Bangkok Bank and one land officer wanted to see the original and have a copy certified by me.  Bangkok Bank insisted on making the copy themselves and of course had problems as they only had an A4 sized copier and it is A3. Most people are happy with the normal self-certified copy.

1 hour ago, greenchair said:

Oh the negative Norman brigade is out again. 

If there is a problem with your wp time. Then you have to start again to get your time up anyway. 

So you might as well put the application in and hope for the best. 

Then if turned down you can re apply after you have built up the time again. 

Don't stress. 

If it's meant to be, it's meant to be. 

There are no negative Normans out - just people seeking and giving advice about maintaining continuity of WPs, which is a rather important consideration for the majority here who apply under Sections 10 and 11.  Those able to apply under Section 9, as you did, are not required to be working, as it is supposed that they are supported by their Thai husbands.  So, fortunately for them, WPs are a non-issue.

I have just looked at the two WPs I presented at the MoI that day. In fact there is no record of the cancellation date of the first one. It just has four holes punched through it and a line drawn in pencil through page 3. The book has a place to notify resignation on page 28-29 but this was not filled in.  Before the 2008 Working of Aliens Act you could not keep your cancelled WPs and they were reluctant to return them even after the law changed. So they can’t have seen the need to fill in the section on resignation or note the date of cancellation on a document that was to be junked or kept in their storage. Perhaps there has still been no change today, a decade after the law changed. Although it must now be more common for people to request the return of their cancelled WPs, there can be few official uses of them outside of people applying for citizenship or PR.

i remembered the dates and the exact conversation at the MoI wrong. I had arranged to quit the old job at the end of July and got the WP cancelled then. But the new employer dragged their heels by forgetting to submit a copy of their licence, a requirement for employers in the finance sector, which meant the WP started on 4 August instead of the first of the month, as planned. (Then they paid me 3 days’ short due to their mistake, even though I worked those days. LOL). 

So my concern at the MoI was somewhat out of paranoia that the new WP started on the 4th of the month when it is obvious that resignations normally take effect from the end of the month. I think she did ask me about the transition but I must have deliberately glossed over the resignation date. I was terrified she would ask for more evidence of the resignation date to make sure it wasn’t some time before the start of the new WP and these details obviously are retained by the Labour Ministry, even if not noted in the cancelled WP. There was no paper trail in my passport, as I had PR.

In summary, they are probably only looking for WP gaps in the sense that a WP actually expired before a new one was issued, although it cannot be ruled out that they might decide to get more sophisticated than this by scrutinizing passports of non-PRs or asking for copies of the resignation notification to the Labour Ministry.  However, I think that, if you don’t have a gap where a WP expired before a new one was issued, you probably have nothing to worry about.

13 minutes ago, GarryP said:

Theoretically the 3 year period has already been completed when the application was filed. However, I would not like to test what happens after that first 3 year period.

The regular checks are done based on what happened in the 3 year qualifying period but the MoI's interpretation seems to be that applicants should remain qualified after that and can be rejected, if found to be unqualified later, particularly if this happens prior to the MoI interview which is when the MoI screens applicants. Certainly you will be rejected, if your file is knocked back to SB for whatever reason and you are found to be no longer qualified.  If the MoI finds out before the interview that you are no longer working or have got divorced, if applying on the basis of a Thai spouse, they will also certainly reject you.  Having a small gap between WPs is a grey area that would probably depend on the discretion of whoever found it, if anyone ever did.  Another similar issue would be an applicant who was still working but no longer earning the required minimum by the time of the interview. An MoI explained to someone who admitted they were in this situation that they were technically no longer qualified but kindly decided to take no further action and advised the applicant not to voluntarily say anything about his salary at the interview.  I would say this case is similar to having a short gap between WPs.

What the cut off period is for remaining qualified I can't say.  But clearly the risk of having your file knocked back to SB for rechecking has passed once you have been approved by the minister, even though you still need to be approved by HMK, take the oath and be gazetted. The MoI interview or just before it is normally the critical point for re-checking.  However, a bloody minded incoming minister can knock back applications still unsigned by his predecessor for re-checking after the interviews and this has happened in the past, although you would be pretty unlucky, if it were to happen to you.   

1 hour ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Thanks Arkady,

 

 Did you have to leave the country for a new visa?

 

Some great advice there. But my new employer is not a large company.

 

I asked my new employer who said that it would take at least 1-2 weeks, as I'd need to leave the country to get a new visa. After getting the new visa, then at least 4 days before getting the WP.

 

Maybe I could resign, after getting the new visa??

I didn't have to leave the country, as I had PR but I don't think the other farang who did it after me had to leave the country either and he was on a NON-B visa.

4 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Hi All,

 

I'm in the process of citizenship. I applied last year and had the NIA interview last November. I'm waiting to hear from the MoI.

 

My main question is what happens when I change my job next month. I've been offered a really good one, much better than my current one. I was hoping to keep things simple by staying where I am but financially, I'd be stupid to refuse.

 

Would you recommend I ask SB what to do? I'm worried they say to start the whole thing again.

Would it be better to say nothing, and hope the MoI don't ask to see my WP, or accept my new one?

I would get my new WP immediately, or maybe after a couple of weeks at the most.

 

Also, when doing the oath, would they accept any WP?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Patrick

Before your MoI interview there is still a possibility that the MoI will check your work permits for continuity, as happened to me.  However, they are more likely to do this, if they are aware you have changed jobs during the three year qualifying period which you have already passed. Actually I would not mention it to SB since you are already passed the NIA interview and your file should be ready to go to the MoI, or might even have gone (sometimes SB can be a bit slack in informing people that the file has already gone).  The information you gave to SB was correct at the time you signed the application form and telling them you have changed jobs will only tempt someone to check your WPs for continuity provide an excuse for an unfathomable delay. 

When you change jobs tell the new employer that it is absolutely imperative for your citizenship application that your WP transition is as seamless as possible.  They can do this, if they pull their fingers out.  I got it done with only a 4 day gap with a lot of effort and pressure on the company's HR dept.  When I was working for that company we employed another farang who also needed the continuity for his PR application.  So it was done for him without a gap, as I had shown HR the way.  You have to make sure you give your new employer all the documents they need well in advance, so they don't have an excuse to screw it up.  Then fine tune the timing of your resignation and last day at the old employer.  The regulations say "continuous", so any gap is enough to kill your application if spotted by an MoI official who got out of bed the wrong side that morning, although I suspect that most will give you a few days' grace. You can imagine how my heart was pounding when the head of the nationality section at the MoI thumbed through my old and new WPs to check the continuity, worrying she would spot the 4 day gap that was there despite my best efforts. I felt like a member of the French resistance having my fake ID papers thumbed through by an SS officer.  Luckily she only looked at the months saying something like finished job in June and new WP started in June. Then she said good that's fine and I'm glad your WPs are continuous or we would have had to reject your application.  This is less likely to happen to you because it will happen after your three year qualifying period but it is not impossible.  Therefore I would make best efforts to avoid a gap or keep it as small as possible.  Occasionally things, e.g. a new minister, come along and result in re-checking of applicants' qualifications.   

2 hours ago, samran said:

Sathahip. 

 

Basically the entrance is where routes 3 and 332 intersect. You take your car in and swap one ID (ie DL) for a base pass for your car. Drive in further towards Hat Sai Kaew where you’ll see a booth where you pay the fee to go to the beach. Weekends the place is packed so they make you park there and get a songtaew over the hill to the beach but during the week they normally let you drive through. 

 

The beach is stunning - as good as anything you get down south and a reminder of what made Pattaya popular in the first place. Fortunately naval ownership means it won’t be spoilt 

I have driven into that naval base to see the turtles and eat at the restaurant. Exchanged my ID card and was allowed through with no comment. The only problem was finding the gate we had entered by to get the ID card back, as the base is fairly large. Reminds me of Clark Air Base in the Phils and was presumably built by the Americans at about the same time.

1 hour ago, samran said:

They are a bit stricter there with checking IDs but I’ve been there a couple of times with by blond haired blue eyed wife and kids (with Thai ID) and things were fine. 

BTW Where is Naval Beach?

It is standard practice for developers to give buyers of houses and condos a blank tabien baan book but you are not under an obligation to use them.  It seems a completely pointless practice and a waste of paper, since anyone with the right documents can get a tabien baan issued without one of these blank books and most of them probably get lost or thrown away.  Having said that, I am sure you could use this book, if you wanted to transfer your tabien baan from Bangkok to Hua Hin.  You would need to check with the district office what documents you need. They would want permission from the owner of the land for you to be there, even though you have a lease agreement, but it is just a standard form. I did this as a PR and got a new book issued for a house with myself as "householder" without any difficulties and the district office talked me through the steps and filled in the forms for me.  If you owned the house structure, you might not need permission from the land owner, but there is limited advantage in owning a house structure but not the land, in my opinion, and it can only be done at the point that a house number is issued. 

17 hours ago, yankee99 said:

Me too!! 

Apart from the slow pace of organising MOI interviews the minister's signature has often been a huge stumbling block under civilian governments.  One of the worst regimes for this in recent times was the first Thaksin government with Mr 'Social Order' Purachai as Interior Minister, who knocked back all the citizenship and PR applications for re-checking, declaring publicly that all looked fraudulent to him, causing delays of years. The Abhisit government was also pretty bad as hardly any citizenship applications were signed and I think no PRs.  In order to get a wafer thin majority Abhisit had to give away key ministries to SME parties, with less than squeaky clean records, including the Interior Ministry. The minister was actually an extremely affable businessman but was basically a nominee for the party owner who was banned from politics.  The year long Sarayud military installed government with Sarayud himself as Interior Minister was better than all the Shinawatra governments and the Abhisit regime, although not as good the current government.

For citizenship and PR applicants military rule is the way to go.  Prayut might come back as an elected PM after elections but things would depend on who gets the Interior Ministry and Prayut, as PM, would likely be in the same situation as Abhisit, having to give it away to the largest SME party in his coalition.  Hopefully the current, more transparent system set up by Interior Minister Gen Anuphong will have some momentum but the jungle has a tendency to grow back quite fast in Thailand.

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

 

Interesting point, once an individual person has been approved to be granted PR (not that easy to achieve) perhaps some years back / many years back does a later change of nationality have any impact on the original approval? Seems to me NO.

 

But whether it causes later complications regarding quotas is another question, but is it a critical point? Surely not.

 

But what do the actual regulations say?

 

I am not sure there are specific regulations for what must a rather rare case. If anyone really has to deal with this issue, they should ask the PR section at CW.  At any rate it would only be necessary to involve Immigration and the local police station, if you changed your nationality and also gave up your former nationality.  Otherwise you could continue using your original nationality in Thailand with no need to report the change.  In practical terms it would be difficult to qualify for naturalisation in another country while continuing to be resident in Thailand, although there are other ways to obtain another nationality, e.g. purchasing a banana republic nationality or simply by activating another nationality one had always been entitled to but never used. 

Basically this seems to be a very academic question, unworthy of our attention, unless anyone claims to really facing this issue.  

26 minutes ago, GabbaGabbaHey said:

It could well be, since the red book contains an indication to report such change:

 

 

It could be that all that is needed is to report the change of nationality to your local police station with, of course, the usual copies of countless documents all certified as true and correct by yourself.