TeaMonkey

11 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

 

No, I was not responding to your message precisely, but to everyone in general, including me.

I find it laughable and a source of misinformation when Neophyte go into detail about a subject they don't know. The problem is that these empirical digression obscures the essential.

Covid is dangerous. Without the vaccine, it would end up infecting us all and leading to the death of 2%. The unfortunate cases of side effects are tiny in comparison.

In short, we all need to get vaccinated.

No, we don’t all need to get vaccinated and Covid does not kill anywhere near 2% of people infected. You are not taking into account the vast majority of people that get Covid and have nothing more than a cold and are never tested. 
The risk is highly weighted to the elderly so if you are under 60 and healthy you are much lower risk. 
Let’s have a look at some official UK government data. Firstly, you would think from the news that there was an apocalyptic amount of people dying. So when was the previous year with this amount of deaths. Have a look:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsintheukfrom1990to2020

Now, let’s have a look at the risk from dying in each age range.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19byageband
 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/ukcovid19deathsbyagewithnounderlyingconditions

From this you should be able to get an idea of the risk from Covid compared to the vaccine. And from what medical experts are saying only a small amount of the adverse reactions are reported. 

The Science Suggests a Wuhan Lab Leak

The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.

“the most compelling reason to favour the lab leak hypothesis”. It is the fact that SARS-CoV-2 has a genetic feature that has never been observed in natural SARS-like coronaviruses, but which is the preferred feature for scientists when engineering viruses in the lab. It’s preferred because it is simpler and more familiar for lab workers, and also because it can then be used as a tell-tale marker of the engineered virus when tracking it in the lab.

The genome of SARS-CoV-2 includes as part of its genetic coding of the spike protein a sequence known as “double CGG” (CGG-CGG) that codes for two “arginine” amino acids in a row. Quay and Muller explain that there are 35 other possibilities that could occur in this location, known as the “furin cleavage site”, which would not disadvantage the virus in any way so are equally likely to be selected for by natural fitness. Furthermore, viruses often evolve by picking up genetic code from other viruses (known as recombination), but since double CGG doesn’t exist in nature for SARS-like viruses (or didn’t before SARS-CoV-2) this common route of picking it up is not available, making its appearance in a new coronavirus even less likely.

On the other hand, double CGG is the most commonly used sequence for lab workers when engineering the furin cleavage site in gain-of-function research, because it is readily available and familiar and can then be used to track the engineered virus.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184

The National Institutes of Health funnelled $3.4 million to the Wuhan lab through the non-profit EcoHealth Alliance from 2014 to 2019, for the purpose of researching bat coronaviruses. Peter Daszak who is president of EcoHealth Alliance has done his best to discredit the notion that the coronavirus was man-made. In February he signed a statement published in The Lancet medical journal "We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin". He was also a member of the WHO investigation into the origin of the virus.

This is Peter Daszak in 2016, in a forum discussing “emerging infectious diseases and the next pandemic”.

“Then when you get a sequence of a virus, and it looks like a relative of a known nasty pathogen, just like we did with SARS. We found other coronaviruses in bats, a whole host of them, some of them looked very similar to SARS. So we sequenced the spike protein: the protein that attaches to cells. Then we…

Well I didn’t do this work, but my colleagues in China did the work. You create pseudo particles, you insert the spike proteins from those viruses, see if they bind to human cells. At each step of this you move closer and closer to this virus could really become pathogenic in people.

“You end up with a small number of viruses that really do look like killers,” he adds.

Timestamp: 1:16:50

https://www.c-span.org/video/?404875-1/pandemics

How old is your GF and does she have any health issues. There  are stats that show what risk she would be at from Covid. For anyone healthy under 60 the risk is low. 

3 hours ago, thaisail said:

If I take a PCR test for my visa extension and I test positive, I can imagine that I will be sent to the closest suitable hospital that is capable of handling Covid 19 treatment. If I am asymptomatic, they could keep me in quarantine until I make two consecutive negative PCR tests which are 3 days apart. If what you are writing is true, I could remain in the hospital for more than 2 months since what you wrote is that I could continue to test positive for that long? Is this true? 

I would think they would use some common sense and let anyone out if they don’t show any symptoms during the detainment period. 
The issue is really having to go into hospital isolation  for a test that cannot determine if you currently have the disease and can also produce false positives.   

None of this makes any sense at all. The PCR test does not show you have an active infection. You could of recovered from Covid 2 months ago and still test positive because your cells are still shedding dead viral fragments. 
And none of the vaccines have been shown to prevent you getting Covid.
This is now a worldwide endemic virus. We cannot eradicate it. Your immune system learns about it through a natural or vaccine induced infection. Any further infections, so far have mainly shown to produce none or mild symptoms. So this will turn into another one of the cold viruses. 

11 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

What is your point?  Are you trying to say the Covid deaths are insignificant?

You haven’t worked it out yet?

This is the all cause mortality chart from Euromomo.eu 

You can make you own mind up if this is an exceptional winter. 
 

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

The only conclusion I can come to with the massive rise in infections in Europe combined with the every stricter mask mandates is that...masks don’t work and they might even be making the situation worse. Which is why the WHO, CDC and everyone else was not recommending masks until the the politics, sorry I mean science changed. 

5 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

If one person has a mask on and the other has not got a mask they are both covered. Judging by the videos I've seen of Thailand it's a healthy split of both there too. You do realise that people cannot wear a mask 24 hours a day and most viral infections are caught in the home, not the supermarket or the bar or the restaurant or walking in the street.

So if everyone is wearing a mask outside of the home does the virus jump off the mask when they are home and infect them?

Sweden

Impact by age group

Sweden 

Predicted mortality 2020 compared to 2001-2019

Immunity may not be long lasting?

This has been going on since the start of the year. More than 38 million people worldwide have been infected with the coronavirus, and so far five of those cases have been confirmed by scientists to be reinfections.

A recent study showed antibodies had provided at least 7 months immunity in the individuals tested and the scientists thought they would provide at least 2 years protection.

And thats even if your body needs to produce antibodies. For most people this virus is so harmless their innate immune system can deal with it.  

11 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Normal except for those whose lives were ended early. And the thousands more suffering potentially life long consequences. And, their economy is doing worse than their close neighbors.

 

Who's gone mad?

So when you have a normal amount of people dying this year how much life would they have saved? A few weeks or months? Is that worth the destruction of the economy, healthcare, freedoms, education that is happening in the rest of Europe?
Long Covid is rare. If you are under 70 you have 0.05% chance of dying from it. Over 80% of people are asymptomatic. So very low risk. The average age of death is over 80 and in people who are already very ill.  

All the charts I’ve seen have shown that Sweden has had a pretty much normal year for all cause deaths. 
And they now have the lowest Covid death rate in Europe. 
 

3 hours ago, CygnusX1 said:

The Oxford vaccine’s not a messenger RNA vaccine like the Moderna one, but a modified chimpanzee adenovirus (if that makes you feel any better!)

If you search for how this works you usually find very vague details. The vaccine is based on a genetically engineered version of the common cold virus that usually infects chimpanzees. Viral vector vaccines use live viruses to carry DNA into human cells. The DNA contained in the virus encodes antigens that, once expressed in the infected human cells, elicit an immune response. It causes the infected cells to produce the SAR-COV-2 spike protein which your immune system will learn to recognise and produce antibodies against it. 
There are no viral vector vaccines currently on market for use in humans. There are twelve viral vector vaccines currently in use for veterinary diseases.