TeaMonkey

5 hours ago, chessman said:

Would be very good news if correct.

 

100,000+ deaths at 0.26% would mean around 40,000,000 people in the US have or have had it. 1 out of every 8 people. That’s a lot.

 

but antibody testing has suggested a significantly lower number than this, the recent MLB testing in various cities where less than 1% were positive for example.

 

they also don’t say which data they are using to make this estimation and the only recent citation used is an Iranian article that is 2 months old and used Chinese figures. 

 

 

I think the antibody tests will turn out to be misleading as a lot of people will already have a level of immunity without generating specific antibodies. For example:

“ Importantly, we detected SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ∼40%–60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating “common cold” coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2.”
 

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30610-3

I was apparently suffering with hypothermia when I looked at my temperature reading when getting checked at the shopping mall. They didn’t rush me to hospital for that. 

HCQ probably is effective if given early enough with Zinc. It acts as an ionophore allowing the zinc into the cells. But there are concerns with it causing heart arrhythmia. 

For patients that are critical there will be better treatments found such as Leronlimab.

As an IT project this is an extremely complex data gathering and mining operation. If it even works it must have come from China. 
I wonder how well the population will support this invasion of privacy. 

I don’t think this drug should be dismissed. It seems important that it is combined with zinc. 
 

“Conclusion: This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.“
 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1

COVID-19: The Spearpoint for Rolling Out a “New Era” of High-Risk, Genetically Engineered Vaccines
 

https://www.21cir.com/2020/05/covid-19-the-spearpoint-for-rolling-out-a-new-era-of-high-risk-genetically-engineered-vaccines/

The DNA vaccine biotechnology has existed for nearly 30 years and has never yielded a working vaccine for any human disease. Don't get your hopes up.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/04/why-coronavirus-vaccine-could-take-way-longer-than-a-year/ 

What do you think.

10 minutes ago, samran said:

It the variant of the same argument - that more people usually die from smoking, obesity related causes etc, so why are we shutting this down.

 

Its a pretty simple answer to that - one my teenage daughter got straight off the bat - none of those things are highly contagious. None of them threaten to instantly overwhelm our medical system. You can forget about your 'freedom' when when one of the pillars of any society and economy - peoples health - can't be looked after.

 

I do find it rather ironic though, that the so called rugged individualists - who by definition don't believe in society - are banging on about how much they worry about other people. Down right lefty liberal if you ask me!

influenza is also contagious, quite often overwhelms our medical system and is considered a pandemic by those in the medical field. But most people don’t take any notice of it and we certainly don’t shut down the economy every year, create a massive amount of debt and unemployment. We shall see how this plays out. Forecasting how many people are going to die is not an exact science and quite often is massively wrong ( look at Neil Ferguson Imperial College London track record ). Quite a few experts are saying this is just another respiratory virus and will burn out within 2 months. 

13 minutes ago, samran said:

Thanks for that predictable line from the 'freedom fighters' script book.

ok, you totally dismissed the video without any valid points. Would you care to share with us where you disagree. 

So far there have been less total deaths in the US compared to the same period last year. 
 

3 hours ago, Phulublub said:

Do you (and everyone else who trots this out) ever stop to consider that maybe the restrictions that have been put in place are the reason, or contributing enormously to the fact that there are so few deaths here?

 

PH

No, because look at other countries without enforced lockdowns. Japan, much larger population only has 360 deaths in total. I think there’s other reasons. The virus has been shown not to like sunlight, and humidity. Also recent studies are showing regions where the population is deficient in Vitamin D are getting more severe cases - and this includes Italy. Japanese get Vitamin D from a diet rich in fish. Thailand is obviously very sunny. 

3 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

It was always expected that the true mortality rate would be not dissimiliar to severe influenza.

 

But that does not mean it is not a global killer.

 

The Spanish flu - which was influenza - killed somewhere between 17 - 50 million people after infected up to a third of the world:s population.

 

An infectious disease doesn't have to have a high mortality rate to be extremely deadly. It just needs to be really infectious and most for the world completely non-immune to it.

Big difference is the Spanish flu killed young and healthy people. 

19 minutes ago, Truth Will Set You Free said:

Why is the government talking about reopening when the country still have confirm cases? When there are no cases then they can discuss reopening but if all the other countries around Thailand is still infected, how are they going to restart when they can not get tourist or do exports/imports? 
 

what they should put in law to help their people is they freeze all payments of rent, utilities, loans and other payments until they can determine reopening the country. If the landlords, utilities companies and banks cannot survive, then they need to justify why they cannot. What they don’t have, they cannot miss because they never had it. 
 

It’s a win win for everyone, especially the poor. 

From January 2006 to December 2011, an annual mean of 399,853 deaths occurred in Thailand, with an average of 13,554 (3.4%) underlying pneumonia and influenza deaths.

An average of 45 people are killed in Thailand daily road accidents.

51 people in total killed by covid-19

Better keep the country locked down!

Vitamin D could have a stronger role in preventing this virus than previously thought. 
 

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-21211/v1

“

Background/Aims: WHO declared SARS-Cov-2 a global pandemic. The aims of this paper are to assess if there is any association between mean levels of vitamin D in various countries and cases respectively mortality caused by COVID-19.

Methods: We have identified the mean levels of vitamin D for 20 Europeans Countries for which we have also got the data regarding the morbidity and mortality caused by COVID-19.

Results: The mean level of vitamin D (average 56mmol/L, STDEV 10.61) in each country was strongly associated with the number of cases/1M (mean 295.95, STDEV 298.73 p=0.004, respectively with the mortality/1M (mean 5.96, STDEV 15.13, p < 0.00001).

Discussion: Vitamin D levels are severely low in the aging population especially in Spain, Italy and Switzerland. This is also the most vulnerable group of population for COVID-19.

Conclusions: We believe, that we can advise Vitamin D supplementation to protect against SARS-CoV2 infection.”

Part 2

Pentagon Study: Flu Shot Raises Risk of Coronavirus by 36%

https://www.21cir.com/2020/04/pentagon-study-flu-shot-raises-risk-of-coronavirus-by-36-and-other-supporting-studies/

So what will be the side effect of this vaccine?

What concerns me with this mass hysteria is the vaccine. There has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus (common cold, sars, mers). The vaccine development for sars was suspended due to it naturally disappearing but also the vaccine testing showed it caused more danger.  
 

“Since the 1960s, tests of vaccine candidates for diseases such as dengue, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) have shown a paradoxical phenomenon: Some animals or people who received the vaccine and were later exposed to the virus developed more severe disease than those who had not been vaccinated”
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/15/8218

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335060/

“When will it be ready?

The team are already putting plans in place to mass produce the vaccine, even before they know whether it will work.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52329659