TeaMonkey

The Chinese are really worried about a second wave

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/china-partygoers-cram-into-wuhan-water-park/ar-BB183kn3

Just watched a bit of his livestream and he is blaming her for being on meth. Isn’t that defamation against a Thai citizen. 

42 minutes ago, Why Me said:

I read it. You held up VICP compensations as evidence of injury. Which I established was nonsense statistically.

 

As for vaccine manufacturers and oversight agencies being liable for such things as skirted regulations, data fraud, etc., come on, use your brains, Tea. Or at least google. Here you go for a local ruling from

https://www.policymed.com/2014/02/lance-vs-wyeth-pa-supreme-court-pharmaceutical-companies-can-be-sued-for-lack-of-due-care-by-introducing-dangerous.html

Recently, The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that pharmaceutical companies can be held liable for negligence in the design and marketing of drugs, despite the drug’s approval by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

 

Now, Tea, I want you to video yourself on your knees begging forgiveness for being a dingbat and promising to be a better person in future. Post here.

 

42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22.Standards of responsibility

No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.

No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, solely due to the manufacturer’s failure to provide direct warnings to the injured party (or the injured party’s legal representative) of the potential dangers resulting from the administration of the vaccine manufactured by the manufacturer.

1 hour ago, Why Me said:

Lord, no sooner than I squash one dingbat than another crawls out of the woodwork. From

Read what I was replying to you dingbat. You still think the vaccine manufacturers are liable?

2 hours ago, Why Me said:

 

 

And, by the way, concerns about C-19 vaccines being "rushed through testing and production" are overblown. A more accurate description would be "accelerated through" which is fine as long as corners are not cut. Keep in mind just like the billion dollar profit incentive, there's equally the risk of billion dollar liability and the company going out of business and criminally culpable execs going to jail if things go wrong. You can bet Moderna, Oxford et al will be testing/trialing till the risk of injury is way right of the decimal point.

 

On top of that the vaccine when it comes will be given to frontline health workers in the first phase for obvious reasons. These are people on the inside. They won't take it if the word is the shot is dicey.

The various Vaccine Injury Compensation Programmes (VICP’s) operating around the world, are overseen by the BMGF owned WHO via their Global Vaccine Safety initiative. The WHO are keen to stress the “no fault” element of the various VICP’s.

Before anyone can receive compensation for the proven harm a vaccine caused them or their loved ones, they first have to agree that this is no ones fault. The vaccine manufacturers are not liable and the cost of the harm they cause is picked up by the tax payer.

As of November 2019 the U.S. NVICP alone had paid out $4.2 billion in compensation for people injured or killed by vaccines. In the UK the Vaccine Damage Fund (VDF), with a ceiling payout of just £120,000, has cost tax payers just over £74 million in compensation.

Daniel Defoe wrote about the Plague of 1665. To put that terrible year into perspective, London’s deaths from the Plague at its height in September 1665 were in excess of 6,000 per week. Pro rata that would be the equivalent today of around 130,000 deaths in London in just seven days, and around half a million in a month.

Defoe recounted how being confronted with an intractable disease began eventually to provoke among the Londoners of 1665, who had locked themselves down for weeks, a complete ‘Despair of their ever being able to escape the infection’. But then he noted this very phenomenon provoked another which was that they gave up worrying about the plague ‘and went anywhere and everywhere and began to converse’ and met in public places. In short, they undid their own self-imposed lockdown because it had become psychologically and practicably impossible to sustain it.

19 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The deaths are flat lining in the UK and the infection rate too. You should know by now, the first act is always followed by act 2.

Always?

Dr David Rosser, who heads the University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust (UHB), said there were signs that infected patients “don’t seem as sick, on average, as they were”. This follows reports from Italy and the US earlier this month where doctors said the virus is now different and much weaker than it was before.

Coronavirus has downgraded from a “tiger to a wild cat” and could die out on its own without a vaccine, an infectious diseases specialist has claimed.

Prof Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the Policlinico San Martino hospital in Italy, told The Telegraph that Covid-19 has been losing its virulence in the last month and patients who would have previously died are now recovering.

The expert in critical care said the plummeting number of cases could mean a vaccine is no longer needed as the virus might never return.

The WHO got it wrong again. The rise in cases is due to more testing. 
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-26/sweden-s-covid-expert-says-who-made-total-mistake-in-new-list

This is the scaremongering now the deaths have stopped rising. 

55 minutes ago, coastguard said:

Something to consider too: the Spanish flu mutated significantly causing the second wave to be far more deadly. Let's hope that doesn't happen. OTH it could mutate into a less dangerous form?

 

PS I saw a documentary, and they now believe the "Spanish" flu started in the Kansas, USA.

From what I read flu viruses mutate much more than coronaviruses. The Spanish flu was more deadly for a number of reasons, a main one being this was before the discovery of antibiotics and a lot of people died from secondary pneumonia. Personally, I think this coronavirus will take the path of previous ones and just disappear.

This is from the UK where there is 10 times the number of infections:

“Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter at the University of Cambridge estimates that the risk to children of catching and then dying from coronavirus is one in 5.3 million”

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-what-are-the-coronavirus-risks-to-children

And in comparison. The odds of becoming a lightning victim in the U.S. in any one year is 1 in 700,000. 

4 minutes ago, Ron jeremy said:

In the last day or 2 there has been a drastic rise in cases in the US. 

I don’t see this in the charts

2 hours ago, JCP108 said:

Since we don't have access to the public health data relevant to these questions, another possibility is that they are making decisions based on awareness of a worrying amount of infections but ones that aren't being included in the official confirmed reports. We don't know. However, more infections than are being reported would be consistent with what's happening in most other places on the planet (not China). 

Look at the other countries in SE Asia. The effect of the virus is minimal. It’s basically over. Probably the population have cross immunity from other types of coronavirus that have been circulating. 

1 minute ago, Chelseafan said:

No, they are not risk free. They are less likely to die from it.

 

 

 

 

it was calculated the numbers were less than the risk of drowning. ie absolutely minimal. We have risk all the time in our lives. In the UK every year, almost 6,000 people die in home accidents  

5 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

We don't know who is affected, we know that certain age groups are more than affected than others but that doesn't mean a 20 year is bullet-proof and a 60 year is defintely going to die. Does it mean that I can't hug my parents anymore ? I don't know if I am a carrier although I suspect I've had it...oh, on that note does that mean I won't get it again, does it mean that I won't pass it on to anyone else ? People from BAME are more likely to die from the virus, should they be on permanent furlough ?

 

Theres too many variables.

 

Hopefully we'll see a return to some sort of normaility over the next few weeks but lets not be selfish here and think about others. There's already evidence that people are ignoring social distancing, you only have to look at the demonstration in London yesterday for Black Lives Matter.

 

We have a very good idea now statistically who is at risk. Anyone under 65 who is in good health is basically risk free. And overall the virus has an IFR of a bad flu season. 

1 minute ago, redwood1 said:

This Corona madness will not be over until peoples T.V tells them its over...The T.V defines what reality is.....

I was watching the daily UK press briefing and the politician said something like “nobody in the country expects that we will go back to how we were before”.  <deleted>

Why would there be a second wave in the UK. The virus exploded and peaked before the lockdown. Most people that would have been affected would have already. Same in Thailand. Researchers are now looking why populations are affected differently. Why is there higher level of immunity in Germany than UK. Why has SE Asia hardly been affected. 

I suspect this was more due to the inaccuracy of the handheld infrared temperature scanners. It seems very unlikely such a high percentage of passengers were infected and had a fever. 

Maybe the coronavirus has already mutated into a less dangerous strain and will disappear soon like SARS did. 

 

ROME (Reuters) - The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.

“In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy,” said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy’s coronavirus contagion. 

“The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago,” he told RAI television. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-virus/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-doctor-says-idUSKBN2370OQ