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aaahhh...forgot to ask:

my real no.1 song on this BirdSek-cd is title # 7.

unfortunately ethaimusic does not have english translation for this song (but only title #1).

anyone here got an idea about where to find translation (elsewhere) ???

got the newest BIRD-SEK cd and finally admit ... i like the songs (gay singer or not, i do not care).

(did i also mention that it has been my (ex????) g/f's favourite song and this is maybe the main resaon why i cannot stop to play his songs even in my car ??? )

have been to Samui/MaeNam/NewLapaz resort early may this year.

enjoyed tons of nice conversation with an austrian couple living the same place.

unfortunately we never got the chance to exchange address, phone numbers or similar. all i know is a surname (not a lot of info, i agree).

well, i tried to contact "NewLapaz villa, Maenam" several times (email/Facsimile).

the only answer i got back from the (not very well english speaking) reception staff was an address about another guest living there the same time (funny, it's an american (female, nice looking) school teacher's name ... but i got her address already ...)

IS THERE ANYONE in this forum around who could help me out with this problem - have a short ride to "NewLapaz" - and explain about what i really need in information?

this (austrian) guy is working in real interesting business and we've been talking about that i could assist him when back austria. austria is not a big country but since i've only got his surname it might be kind of a big problem for me to find out where he really lives..

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!

i just wonder....

is there (compared to recent/past year statistics) lots of tourists around Samui these days? impact of soccer/european championships? weather? terrorist activities in south Los? Prices?

appreciate any relevant, honest comment as this might influence my future invest plans

(Samui or better off with an other island less developed by now).

a/CANDYFLIP:

I THINK I DID what u recommended (about being not too bossy, not too flirty a.s.o.)

If u wish I can pm you a copy of the letter as I it does not include any real personal but mostly "general" context...

KATHIE:

this g/f I am talking about is NOT a BG yet, but close falling into BG/freelance biz.

I wrote in english and got it translated into thai (quite expensive but I did not care)

About the "well educated" thai as you mention, I have no fear at all (read my 2nd post).

About a "close to BG biz"-girl I do not know yet, but - again - I fear it might have been faaaar too many words I've recently sent. And I do not know IF I should continue sending messages (emails, letters) in terms of many words (except the money-related topics, YES I know)....

Will my comment count as I'm not a BG?

CUTIE, yes of course.

I am having regular (english) email-conversation with my thai (female) business partner in Bkk. She loves to read my mail and - for her - it never was too long too read.

Well guess, yes I do also have some kind of weird e-mail conversation with my -I-am-not-sure- g/f in Sa Kaeo/Samui and even though I have got my english text translated into thai I fear she is that kind of (lower educated) girl who is not amused in reading my (too long?) stories. I've never been that type of guy just sending simple 2 or 3 sentences but instead express my current feelings and whatever else in extended way. It is not ...i miss you stuff... but anything I felt I have to say.

Hard to believe, even more hard to admit: as long as there is no ...I will send you money soon... - context in the letter it seems to be of non-importance. Or am I lucky and it simply has to do something with "not getting used for thai (bar)girls not even expecting extense messages" (more than any SMS could say)?

as for me, I shall definitely step down in my social status afer moving to LOS.

no need to have a car (driving an expensive one right now).

no need to have a 120 m2 condo.

no need to buy trendy, overprized clothes or perfume.

no need to spend my weekends in expensive tourist regions to catch a bit of sun or evening entertainment.

finally: no need to feed a hungry, hungry, hungry wife with money even though I am very well aware of the fact that my (future) thai g/f will ask for money too.

AND I DO NOT CARE to step down b-coz I am bored of that kind of social status pressure we do have in europe (and I guess, the U.S. too)!!!

what is your experiences?

does a (probably less educated) thai girl/bargirl enjoy reading your messages (email, postal letter, whatever)?

will she really understand what you write her (if written in foreign language)?

what is the average maximum lengh of transcript you (should) send to her?

will she collapse if she "has" to read (and understand) - say - more than one A4-format size of text?

(I know, I know - no need to mention now that she will get bored as soon as she is no longer interested in your words... )

will she appreciate you sending her a message in thai instead of any foreign blabla?

the "quick baht" i agree is no.1 reason. i still wonder about the influence her "best friend" is having. and that was kind of my original post: the loan might have realtion to that friend or others back home Sa Kaeo. Since she is capable of approx. 5 english sentences

....and you think she will finish run for the ''quick bath'' if you pay down on her ''loan''???

I guess you allso got a lot to discuss and talk about.....after all, she can speak as much as 5(FIVE) sentences, hehe.

Spare you'rself for a lot of trouble......live and let live....enjoy life, man.

viking,

No I do NOT intend to pay back her loan (IF there is one; I said I ASSUME so).

You MAY BE right with your proposal about I should better keep my fingers off that matter BUT - on the other side - it seems to be I like trouble situations...

By-the-way I shall learn thai the minute after I will settle down in LOS.

Maybe she won't learn english but communication will improve after I am better in my thai.

I was divorced 7 years ago, and left almost penniless without a car or house.  I have since recovered and done well, but I am not rich.  Thanks for the compliment though.  (smile)

It seems you are doing very well, indeed.

With 3 children as the leftover and without any money and accomodation to be financially fit again within 7 years, this can be called already *something*.

I understand now better your strange way, how and why you are looking for a long-term relationship.

I understand your mistrust and understand, that you are worried to make the same mistakes again.

Openly said, I do not really like your way you are doing it, but it is your life, your money, and you are responsible only to yourself and to your children and to nobody else.

Good luck!

Johann

P.S.

(LovelyCutie @ Fri 2004-06-11, 13:20:54)

There are million of us out there. If you've got a bad one, either deal with it or move on. It's your choice after all.

Easy said, difficult done.....even lucky, it took him 7 years to be ready again.

And for your information, LovelyCutie, my father paid back for a period of over 12 years various loans to banks, which money he never saw.....he was working often during nighttime, and had no idea of the double life of his wife and his daughter....

he was divorced with guilt=zero to his favour, nevertheless he had to pay for over a decade 100 percent of the debts of his former wife....

I myself was also such an idiot, and lost over 2 years salary, because I had the idea, to look up for a girl-friend in Europe for long-term and marriage in a honest way. I should have better invest that amount into a brothel per hour...

I was lucky that finally I found my Japanese wife 1976, but if you tell me,

*there are millions of us out there....If you've got a bad one, either deal with it or move on. *

then I tell you that there are very few AVAILABLE women among them, who are really honest and not into money.

Please note that I said AVAILABLE......

It is very difficult to find a good wife, and for all men, who did not, but failed and paid dearly for their intentions, yes I have full understandings, that they are now using nightclubs, street-prostitution, escort services, porno-models .....

This is still much cheaper than to do the same mistake again, and to look for a serious relationship again.

It often does not pay off as man to be honest with a woman.

Johann

It often does not pay off as man to be honest with a woman.

###### RIGHT MAN!!!

(even though it seems to be that I am a lucky one here. Never married. No kids. Good looking. Not much money but confident with what I have. AND almost TOTALLY AGREEING with TL1's intentions.)

For my quite easy, watch for 10 min. UBC, if this is not sufficient change the channel to a Thai soap opera. It always does the trick, may be helped by a bit of amber liquid.

good idea. to fall asleep. no problem.

though I mainly talk about the MORNING (the real EARLY morning) hours.

or is ALL of you getting up with the rooter's timing? (and having fun...)

doc: after I've sold all my stuff here austria. or delivered it to my part-time address when coming back for holiday. and of course after I've passed all immigration needs. all in all i would say: sept/oct. you need me to bring earplugs?

lop: that's a good idea! counter-noise might be working well....

just wondering...how do you (thailand living) fellas get your portion of sleep:

* shoot the roosters?

* have a sleeping pill every 2nd hour?

* convert to Buddhism and do it the thai way: ignore the trucks/motorcycles?

as for me - a future "thai" - it could be one of the bigger problems to solve...

just a(nother) price info:

laser bleaching at KASEMRAD PRACHACHUEN HOSPITAL North BKK:

was told to pay Bht 12.000,00

ended up (after cleaning 1 hour pain Bht 600,00 and laser bleaching 1 hour no pain at all Bht 12.000,00) with the result of Bht 16,158 in total as I had to take that gum stuff with me (which was charged extra and NOT told about in the beginning).

result: well, i do not see any difference from b4 (rem: I do NOT smoke, never did) but some of my friends say YES there is "some" difference" ...

all in all: maybe it was a bit of waste of money as in fact bleaching won't last a lifetime...

thx brit, thought about that already when we met.

got one or two thai friends of that kind.

need to bring them together when i return.

until then, i can only keep my fingers crossed that no further damage happens...

she is not wearing expensive clothes (not at all expensive i would say).

she has got no jewels or stuff like that.

she is neither drinking nor smoking but i fear that will happen sooner or later.

the "quick baht" i agree is no.1 reason. i still wonder about the influence her "best friend" is having. and that was kind of my original post: the loan might have realtion to that friend or others back home Sa Kaeo. Since she is capable of approx. 5 english sentences (unfortunately one of them is ....i not have money....) it is hard to investigate possible trouble circumstances.

i will do my very best to be some kinda knight (even though my financial actions are limited) but not earlier than having had the chance to talk to her eye-to-eye.

since there is almost 3 months passing by until i shall return (and stay for long long time) i am afraid she gets deeper and deeper into trouble

one correction to attach:

it was 0,03 pound sterling.

400 words in total 12,00 pounds

but again ... looks like at it was cheap.

their website (another correction):

www.buythai.net

thx for your comments folks!

so i guess i had a good deal but still open to hear recommendations.

by-the-way, the translation letter (simple written english into thai, sent to g/f) was done by:

www.buy-thai.net

and they were offering a special 50% discount.

that maybe explains the cheap service.

if it was good translation or not: well, i might never ever know, right?

i think he want to pay the girl debt.

She must be a girlfriend. Change bars and BG's is a simple way out of her problems if he decides that he doesn't want to pay

looks like i need to re-design the question:

she is a friend for now. i could say i love her. but i am not in thailand until september. so i do not consider her now to be my (future) g/f.

she is no bg either but close to crash into bar/gogo-biz as she currently stays Samui and being obviously "taken care" of by "her best friend" (and she looks like to be quite professional in her work as freelancer).

i do not know at all IF there is any loan but - also according to some statements here - it is likely to be so.

i furthermore do not intend to pay back any loan. at least, not until i am back. anyway it could have quite an influence in my decisions - future g/f yes or no - if i knew a bit more about her (possible) financial troubles. i will for sure question her when back but i am not so confident she will give accurate information (*sigh*)

found lots of translation services provided thru internet,

choose one recently: 400 words = Eur 12,00

any cheaper offers (thow still professional) available?

I just wonder if some of u are having experience and/or knowledge about HOW to find out if a bg (not necessarily your g/f) has got (unspoken) trouble by means of having to pay back any loans (given to her parents or whoever)? And - furthermore - could it be that those "best friends" (mostly a bit older than the bg's age) are the one's who force her to do that particular job?

Of course, honest and faithful girls exists in Thailand. Whether you will find one or not also depend on you - where you look and how you approach them.. From reading your post I feel that the MOST important asset that your TRUE LOVE should possess is good looks, which to me it hardly says anything about your intention to find true love but more of a bragging right to have a "young babe" in your arms. With that being said, I am aware that physically attraction plays a part in a relationship but your key words of describing your dream girl/GF are - beautiful and young. How about her personality, her ambition, compatibility between you two, or you could care less as long as she looks good? Forget the age difference but to make a relationship work you and your gf have to be emotionally compatible and you haven't mentioned any of it but just how much time you two spent in the sack. If you really think your relationship should solely based and survive on that, maybe you have some growing up to do? Just my opinion..

well, is there ANYTHING WRONG about "having" a GOOD LOOKING GIRL at your side?

As it is about me, I AM good looking too. I am simply bored about all those good looking women here in europe (including russia) - they all expect you to have millions. So I rather prefer asia. Even if it cuts my (former) life quality down to 10% of what I have today I will accept. Empty heart does not make me happy....kaow chai?

BECAUS ITS ASIAN BEHAVIOUR.

You are not really talking about ALL asian now, are you??

No, not ALL asian of course, I DO NOT KNOW ALL asian cultures yet.

Will try to explore so within the next 200 years

What I wrote is just what I experienced with women throughout my journeys (all over asia except Laos and China so far).

And the point is: Money.

And (believe it or not): I agree. B-coz europe (where I live) is no difference. Just a different mentality.

I wished money is not what counts. But this is pure illusion.

Thailover1,

my expectations are the same as yours: TRUE LOVE.

now - back home after a 1 month funtastic time Thailand - I feel empty.

Left my "gf" and not willing to phone to her everyday. Neither to send money.

WHY SHOULD I ??????

(I think:) She would thankfully take the money but still walk her path of destination.

(I think:) there is plenty of "good" friends telling (forcing?) her to attract other/new farang aside my (spoken) will to marry her o n e day in the future.

I am confused. I am upset. I am worried. I am sad.

BUT I CANNOT CHANGE A THING UNLESS I RETURN.

She is NOT a bar girl (yet).

There is "only?" a 14 years age difference (38 me / 24 her).

She was at my side even though she KNEW I do not have (lots of) money.

I am confused. I am upset. I am worried. I am sad.

After a while (with awsome lots of drinks) and consideration I decided to ACCEPT her behaviours. BECAUSE ITS ASIAN BEHAVIOUR.

(1) I tell myself: IF I was married with a caucasian girl there would be no difference: I AM the working part, and SHE gets the money.

(2) I tell myself: it is HER part NOW to show me IF she really wants me at her side. So I am NOT going to phone her. Tough, really tough, b-coz I love her.

As long as I am not medium good in thai language I will NEVER EVER understand her felings and intentions.

I decided to emigrate in October 2004.

But - with the help of points (1) and (2) the proportions are quite reasonable:

30 % I shall give up my "old" life b-coz of her. 70 % is b-coz of my new perspectives (I am tired of paying taxes and useless other charges where I live right now).

And those 70% should PERMANENTLY be my MAIN REASON to establish my emigration. The minute I am back to Thailand I will check out the situation. If not, then not. There is plenty of alternatives available.

I believe in true love. But it needs TWO persons to have those feelings. And I am aware of asian? mentality: It will be ME - only me - to feed my (future) family...