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45 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

No question obesity is a contributing factor in COVID deaths. People can mostly choose whether to be fat or thin, coronavirus is not a choice.

 

BMI has been discarded by most knowledgeable sporting bodies as a measure of obesity, usually skin fold tests are used.

Midfielders in Australian Rules football usually run 12 - 15 km in a 1 hour match. Most would fail a 24 BMI miserably, because muscle is heavier than fat.

 

1.  You’re not a football player.

2. Using professional athletes as a basis does not represent the general public.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

The link you are posting is from an organisation based in Florida. I would say it has the same credibility as the American website which claimed the bushfires of 2019-2020 were 90% caused by arson.

I would have thought Americans have enough problems of their own, without making up BS about other countries.

You should back your claims with verifiable facts.  You haven’t.  

59 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are avoiding my question.

 

92% of Covid victims have a co-morbidity. Unless their medical condition precludes vaccination, wouldn’t you suggest they be vaccinated?

I’m not their mom, Doctor or keeper.  It’s not my place to make suggestions nor recommendations.  Nor is it yours.

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not at all surprised you don’t know.

 

You also seem to not know the topic is not other people’s body weight.

Well, then all those people should consult with their individual doctors and not worry about what a bunch of impatient anonymous forum members (or anybody else) thinks.

21 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Clearly 1 in 10 did at least because they had no comorbidities which you claim is mostly down to lifestyle.

1 in 10 is a pretty sad statistic.  Why hasn’t the MSM and governments around the world been pushing healthy living over the last couple years?   But nope.  Under the guise of diversity, now the mantra is “Health at every size”.  I suppose that’s why people in the US gained an average of 29 lbs during the pandemic.  I suspect the next crisis will be knee replacements and a shortage of mobility scooters. 
 

https://haescommunity.com

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let me see if you can grasp this.

 

An overweight person who is vaccination has a much lower chance of being made seriously ill, hospitalized or killed by COVID than does an unvaccinated overweight person.

 

I don’t know.  But they should both probably lose some weight.

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

In almost 1 in 10 deaths the victims had no comorbidities. Do you think that's an acceptably low number? I sure don't.

It’s acceptable enough to be able to comment that people (in general) don’t take good enough care of their health.

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Assuming a positive recommendation by a physician, wouldn’t you suggest that anyone with a co-morbidity get vaccinated, due to 92% of fatalities being those with a co-Mormidity?

A second opinion should be obtained from another qualified physician, not from myself.

I would however suggest that they try to eat a healthy diet, exercise and abstain from drinking and smoking.  But they probably wouldn’t listen anyways and would quite possibly say “who do you think you are?  My doctor?”

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

If their physician informs them that they can vaccinate, you would agree that they should vaccinate, right?

I have never once made a recommendation either for nor against vaccination.  I also believe in doctor/patient confidentiality so their discussion is between themselves.  I do not assume to know what their doctor will advise based upon the content of their conversation.

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You cannot choose to not have kidney disease.

 

You can choose to be vaccinated.

 

I am sure you would agree that anyone with a chronic disease should vaccinate.

I agree that someone with a chronic disease should have a discussion with their doctor and not take any advice (either for nor against vaccines) from any poster here on this forum.

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

And you are gullible enough to think he didn't know the difference. Joe Biden is not a medical expert. No medical expert has ever said that. Ever.

You should be more explicit when you make sweeping statements.

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

During the same public appearance, Biden also stated, accurately, that vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus than unvaccinated people and, if they do catch it, are less likely to get sick.

But that’s not what we are talking about.  

We are discussing YOUR claim that “It was only ever said they would reduce transmission.”

please refrain from posting misinformation.  It only hinders your cause.

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

In Australia, the science is saying 90% of COVID patients in hospitals are unvaccinated.

But the facts (numbers) are saying something different.

Let’s look at New South Wales (population 8.166 million)

 “2,030 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized in New South Wales. Of those patients, 28.8% were unvaccinated and 68.9% were fully vaccinated.”

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/14/blog-posting/australia-vaccination-status-hospitalized-covid-19/

2030 in the hospital out of 8,166,000.  That’s one out of every (over) 4,000 people.  Insignificant.

Feel free to pull up the statistics for the other states.

And next time, please refrain from posting misinformation.

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Rubbish. It was only ever said they would reduce transmission.

Wrong.

"You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,"

"If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."

-Joe Biden

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

How many times to I have to repeat, I never mentioned obesity. Nobody disputes that it does. My point was that it isn't just lifestyle diseases and conditions which cause illness and death from covid.

92.8% of Covid deaths were with people with comorbidities.

“The risk of mortality associated with at least one comorbidity combined was 1113 times higher than that with no comorbidity. The comparative analysis identified nine comorbidities with odds ratios of up to 35 times higher than no comorbidities. Of them, the top four comorbidities were: hypertension (odds ratio 34.73; 95% CI 3.63-331.91; p = 0.002), diabetes (odds ratio 20.16; 95% CI 5.55-73.18; p < 0.00001), cardiovascular disease (odds ratio 18.91; 95% CI 2.88-124.38; p = 0.002), and chronic kidney disease (odds ratio 12.34; 95% CI 9.90-15.39; p < 0.00001).”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449622/

1113 times higher.  That is far more concerning than the increase in deaths (and most likely long Covid also) due to being unvaccinated.

Better to be healthy than vaccinated?

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

https://www.newswise.com/factcheck/debunking-the-claim-that-vaccines-cause-new-covid-19-variants

 

I’m just pointing out what he said.  Try to stay on topic please.

Now let’s return to the original topic.  Long Covid.

“June 8, 2021 – Obesity -- an established major risk factor in the development of severe infection or death from COVID-19 infection -- also appears to significantly increase the risk of developing long-term complications from the disease, a syndrome often referred to as long-haul COVID-19, according to a new study.”

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210608/obesity-increases-risk-of-long-covid-study-finds

31 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

He did not. Please provide a link.

He didn’t say that exactly.  What he did say was…

“It’s unthinkable to vaccinate during a pandemic. They’re silent. It is the antibodies produced by the virus that enable the infection to become stronger. It is what we call antibody-dependent enhancement, which means antibodies favour a certain infection. It is clear that the new variants are created by antibody-mediated selection due to the vaccination,”

-Luc Montagnier French virologist and joint recipient, with Françoise Barré-Sinoussi and Harald zur Hausen, of the 2008 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for his discovery of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).

https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/fact-check-nobel-laureate-luc-montagnier-didn-t-say-covid-vaccine-recipients-will-die-in-two-years-1807023-2021-05-26

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

If you intend to imply that the contributing factors are mainly lifestyle induced you would be wrong. Large numbers of people suffer from cancer, type 1 diabetes and other chronic illnesses which are not necessarily related with lifestyle.

The Impact of Obesity on SARS-CoV-2 Pandemic Mortality Risk
 

https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/nutrients/nutrients-13-03446/article_deploy/nutrients-13-03446-v2.pdf

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Implying that deaths due to advancing age are relatively unimportant is sociopathy.

I never implied that any type of death was unimportant.  Death is just a fact of life.  Nobody lives forever.

Stop with your nonsense please.

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I never mentioned those things. You will be old soon enough and then your sociopathy will come back to bite you.

I mentioned them originally.  And you told me I was wrong.  I wasn’t.  You were.
 

Pointing out facts with links from the CDC and NIH is hardly sociopathy.

People should be encouraged to be healthy.  If they took better care of themselves then Covid and “Long haul Covid” wouldn’t pose nearly the problem that it potentially does.

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

What I actually said was that age is the biggest factor and that was not lifestyle related. I also said that there were plenty of other factors which were not lifestyle related and I certainly didn't imply or state that type 1 diabetes was age related. I never mentioned obesity or heart disease but neither is necessarily lifestyle related. My point was that any attempt to correlate deaths with lifestyle disease is simplistic and wrong. Dismissing the danger because it mainly affects the age is sociopathy.

Oh nonsense.

Comorbidity and its Impact on Patients with COVID-19

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7314621/

And yes.  Obesity and heart disease are mostly lifestyle related and risks can be mitigated by making the hard choices….what you put in your mouth.
 

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/risk_factors.htm

Embarrassing that you don’t understand these things.

And old people?  Old people die.  Ones with comorbidities (based on poor lifestyle choices) die easier.

30 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Thanks. This topic is NOT PC. Nobody wants to talk about really, really fat people getting far higher rates of infections, and dying at a far higher rate. Nobody wants to talk about horrible diets, especially when related to specific ethnic groups, and the higher fatality rates within those groups. Nobody wants to talk about likely higher rates of infection amongst people who lead highly sedentary lives.

 

You simply cannot disparage our people, or our group! It is not right. Truth does not matter. 

 

This kind of discussion is simply not permitted, especially by the MSM. 

It hasn’t been PC for a long time.  Big is beautiful, fat can be healthy and all that other nonsense.

Moobs on a man are no more attractive than a muffin top on a woman.

One would have thought that during the pandemic, that people might have reflected on their individual health status.  But nope.  The modern way is “I like muh food” and give me a pill to fix whatever ails me.  
 

Don’t tell me what to eat!  My body my choice!

“Forty-two percent of U.S. adults said they gained more weight than they intended, and of those, the amount they reported gaining averaged 29 pounds. Ten percent said they gained more than 50 pounds. Weight gain that leads to obesity can put people at higher risk for serious illness from coronavirus.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-weight-gain-30-pounds-pandemic/
 

Gained more weight than intended?  Who in the heck intends on gaining weight?