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8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's interesting that the old 99% or whatever is bandied about as if it actually is of importance, but it's statistics, and we all know about statistics don't we. They can be manipulated.

Firstly, 99% of what? C C scientists apparently. What % of scientists on the planet are C C scientists? Were every single one of them asked? How many of the 99% depend on "believing" in C C for grant money?

Tell me how many scientists there are in the world and how many of them believe in C C, and give us that statistic if I'm expected to take it seriously. Not going to happen though. No one is going to ask every scientist in the world. They will ask a select few and extrapolate. So, in the end, it all depends on which scientists they ask as to the outcome. Not a very scientific way of determining a statistic.

Why would you want to  publicly air your ignorance n this topic is beyond me.....to trybe and ignore some of the biggest science, chemistry etc and blame  it on stats just reveals how hopeless out of touch you are.

41 minutes ago, kaorop said:

australia relatitively poor record?

in relation to who?

 

a daily bad crash makes the news, really?

 

thailand could run a 24hr bad crash news service and then some..

 

not a big difference with other countries, well if you are talking about the worst 5, but far far from the best 5.

 

and btw as incompetent as im sure many are, rescue services and hospitals dont want dead bodies, they cant pay.

 

about the only part you got right is the last part.

You need to be better informed on road safety.

You also have very erroneous ideas about Thailand's emergency services.

I would suguest you get yourself better informed on that topic too.

You also seem to have little idea on how different countries media reports news and why

I think to have a productive conversation would require you to be better informed all round...it is no good making assumptions and then putting them forward as established premises.

On 6/15/2018 at 8:04 AM, BobbyL said:

 

Totally missing the point.

 

 

...and your point is?

7 hours ago, balo said:

The average IQ is lower in Thailand than in the west , maybe that got something to do with it. 

 

I would observe that to make a comment like that one would first have to believe in the concept of IQ and then have a very low one.

6 hours ago, Broken Record said:

Because in Thailand 75 - 80% are motorcycle related ?

 

 

Firstly Australia has a relatively poor road safety record themselves ..until recently nothing to crow about and horrendous accidents make the national news on a weekly if not daily basis. In fact it is a characteristic of the Aussie media to give horrendous crashes a lot of column.

As for crashes with alcohol involved - and be careful to find out what that means - it is fair to say from stats available that Thailand, along with most countries including Oz have about a 30% rate of alcohol involvement.

Conversely them is means that 2/3s of all deaths are caused whilst the driver/passengers are sober.

Unfortunately in Thailand properly compiled stats to international standards are unavailable and it is virtually  impossible to determine with any great accuracy what the number collisions fatal or otherwise is. However by taking the more detailed figures from the holiday periods which do offer more detailed stats, it is reasonable to suggest that on  a per capita basis, there isn't a big difference between Thailand and most other countries. So one has to conclude it is what happened immediately after the accident and over the next few hours that determines Thailand's appalling death rates.

Just now, RickBradford said:

As the philosopher Bertrand Russell noted: "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."

And you, Mr Bradford, seem so certain of yourself.

What is so disconcerting is that those who deny man mare climate change seem unaware of their profound ignorance on the matter and their total inability to sort the wheat from the chaff and yet still have the arrogance to think they have the intellect to counter the arguments.

They simply have no idea how wide of the mark they are.

On 6/14/2018 at 1:25 PM, dick dasterdly said:

'bikes and 4 wheeled vehicles don't 'mix well' - hence the large number of fatalities.

 

And I'd bet money that the vast majority of deaths/serious injuries are 'bike riders - not those protected in 4 wheeled vehicles, regardless of how badly they drive.

 

I agree that more than a few 'bike riders also drive extremely badly - but that can only result in their injury death.  Unlike those in 4 wheeled vehicles that drive badly,  but aren't hurt - they just kill/seriously injure those on 'bikes.....

The single major factor in motorcycle deaths is the failure to wear a helmet or one that is up to standard.

Regardless of why you come off, the absence of head protection immediately ups the ante....

Would love to hear from anyone more recent who has had to show 50,000.

There was a note on the gate explaining the 20k requirement...has it been changed?

6 hours ago, catman20 said:

its self explanatory....................................if you dont understand it get someone who can for you, your embarrassing your self now.  

QED..

1 hour ago, mserror said:

It is a major concern for all reasonable people. I live here and have the following advice:

• Get a new car with a high level of safety.
• Good tyres.
• A dashcam.
• Premium car insurance.
• Give way to everyone who might run into you. Note that most other drivers do not know or follow the rules. Many do not have licences. There is usually a motorcycle on the wrong side of the road, sometimes a car.
• If someone else is in the car, get them to help you look for trouble.
• Do not ride a bike or motorbike on main roads.
• Treat driving as a survival activity.
• Do a defensive driving course in your home country.

"Note that most other drivers do not know or follow the rules. Many do not have licences."

THis especially applies to foreign drivers.

"Fortunately no tourists were seriously injured."

this tends to suggest the figure are being massaged.

also there is no source given for the figures

It doesn't cite the number of collisions either.

13 hours ago, catman20 said:

you seem to be to one that cant read. try reading my post again or get someone to read it to you.

So explain this comment then......

when i go out for an evening i only have 1small beer all night followed by about 6 or 7 bottles of soda water and im NOT surprised it has no effect on my ability to drive and if that impaired your driving ability people like you should not be allowed to drive period."

2 months ago. They were asking SETV applicants 20k baht bank statement, and the usual passport, form and photocopies.

I had to ferry several people to my hotel to get this done before midday as the copy shop across the road had no internet facility.

However the consulate was informing people in emails that they needed "flight home" ( this obviously really meant onward flight), but not one of the people I spoke to were asked for this.

I'm now told that Kota Bhuru and Penang are asking for 50,000 baht in the bank. I don't know if this has changed in Savanakhet.

I also have not had it confirmed directly by anyone coming from Malaysia ... yet

5 hours ago, catman20 said:

when i go out for an evening i only have 1small beer all night followed by about 6 or 7 bottles of soda water and im NOT surprised it has no effect on my ability to drive and if that impaired your driving ability people like you should not be allowed to drive period.

You clearly either, can't read or hhave noI idea of how alcohol effects people......it doesnt impair my abilities as I never mix the 2..... you are just making assumptions

It's quite clear that the chap in the OP is not alone...there appear to be several posters here not only are diving illegally and without proper insurance, but also under the influence of alcohol and think that is OK ... Their lack of understanding about the risks of a driving combined with alcohol is breathtakingly worrisome...... it is a shame these people can't be stopped before they do some serious damage

21 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I am pretty sure I already said that I am replying to a comment made about another poster rather than defending my personal position, I have insurance, as does the poster who was called a bad person, so either read the whole thread before commenting or at least keep your personal attacks to yourself unless you know what you are talking about. 

 

Anyway, what 'protection' does insurance bring to someone who has a lot more money than the pittance the Thai insurance pays out?  I say, up to them if they want to risk their own money, just as long as they actually have it.

So how do you make sure they "actually have it" and that an appropriate sum will be made aavailable?

Perhaps some kind of certificate?

11 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I am defending the right to self insure.

How will you do that?

On 6/10/2018 at 6:53 AM, catman20 said:

if that was the case why is not a no alcohol ban for anyone driving ?

In some countries there is.

You realise that what you said isn't actually an argument.

Governments, especially Thailand, are not the yardsticks for the effects of alcohol.

The science will tell you that even a small beer or a single glass of wine is enough to impede anyone's driving abilities.

What is so worrying is that you, along with a few others don't seem to know this.

6 hours ago, Cheops said:

The Thai police never gave me any fine for not having a Thai DL and they fully accepted my Dutch DL, so in the beginning I thought I will get a Thai DL later, but it became a few years. Of course it's better to get a Thai DL in case you are involved in a more serious accident.

Over 6 months on any foreign licence and you are driving illegally.

Over 3 months and you probably aren't insured.

7 hours ago, Cheops said:

Here is a comment from 'the guy'. I hate to break your illusion stanleycoin, but but kieran00001 is correct.

 

For me not having a Thai DL was just a financial risk, nothing more. I will never put anybody in danger, because of my choices!

I have a DL from the Netherlands for over 30 years without any accidents in the Netherlands and without any accidents by my fault in Thailand (sometimes you can't avoid stupid drivers).

 

I don't know your knowledge of getting a DL in the Netherlands, but I (and probably others here) can tell you that this isn't easy.

When I did went to get my Thai DL, of course it was nothing more than some reaction and vision tests. No need to perform any exam.

Now, if a Thai goes to the Netherlands with his/her Thai DL it's another story. They will have to start all over again, since the Netherlands doesn't give any value to a Thai DL.

I know some Thais who were a good driver in Thailand, but failed a couple of times in the Netherlands, before they passed.

For me it's safe to say that I trust all people with a Dutch DL to be capable drivers!

So there are no bad drivers with Dutch licences?

On 6/8/2018 at 6:44 AM, catman20 said:

we dont know how much he was over the limit!!  if 2 or 3 times over sure he was pissed if 1 or 2 point over the legal limit still soba but not in the eyes of the law and press.

You clearly are a potential danger to the public if you think you are "soba" after drinking...even one drink slows your reactions and clouded your judgement.

It's interesting to note that the areas of Thailand with the highest numbers of foreigners are also the areas with the highest death rates........ coincidence?

6 hours ago, evadgib said:

The road around the stadium on the far side of the island might prove useful if you chose a time when it wasn't too busy there.

HTH

I need a place off the legal roads with no traffic except for other learners

The question is though - has anyone done this? .... and recently on Samui?