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Secretary of State Marco Rubio would appear to differ with you and he's the man who decides. Further indication of how protesters at Columbia supported Hamas.

This is part of the oath every foreign student who applies for an F-1 visa is required to affirm to a consular officer before the visa is granted. It specifies the terms under which a student is admitted to the U.S. Violation of those terms is grounds for revocation of the visa and removal from the U.S. You can read the full oath in the Foreign Affairs Manual of the U.S. Department of State. Follow this link: https://fam.state.gov/fam/09FAM/09FAM050407.html Does everyone now understand why chants of "Death to America" during a violent protest and disruption of campus classes or other normal activities are violations of the oath the student took? It seems a very easy solution would be to ask all student visa applicants during the interview if they will take part in any pro-Hamas demonstrations while a student in the U.S. If they say "yes," well, they don't get a visa. If they say "no" but lie about it and do demonstrate illegally, they have violated the terms of the visa and can be removed from the U.S.

The removal of pro-Hamas students is NOT a free speech issue. Can any pro-Palestinian BM claim blocking students from attending class is protected by the First Amendment? An update in this video: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jewish-ucla-student-only-way-to-stop-antisemitic-protests-is-to-make-arrests-deport-students-with-visas/vi-AA1BLEiU?ocid=socialshare

xxx Hassan Diab was never found not guilty in a French court. On the contrary, he has been convicted of murder in France. He was extradited to France to stand trial for the synagogue bombing but the charges were dropped and Diab was allowed to return to Canada. Dropping charges has nothing to do with guilty or innocent. It only means there wasn't enough evidence for the case to proceed at that point. Later the charges were reinstated and Diab was tried and convicted of murder in abstentia. Yes, indeed, a murderer is living freely in Canada despite his conviction for a heinous crime in a French court. Could you give an example of a convicted criminal "living happily" in Israel after the Israeli government refused extradition? Since you say there are thousands, it shouldn't be hard for you to find one example. Antisemitism runs thick in this thread. The bombing of a synagogue in Paris in 1980 has no direct connection to Israel or the war against Hamas 45 years later. Three of the four people killed in the synagogue bombing weren't Jewish, although all of the 46 injured victims were. How can a demand for justice for these victims be outweighed or offset by the number of dead in Gaza? They are two totally separate cases. Only in the eyes of an antisemite is it possible to dismiss the outrage of Canadian Jews over the lack of punishment for a terrorist attack in France in 1980 with reference to the Gaza war. This goes to the heart of historical antisemitism, that all Jews are responsible for the action of some Jews, namely those who had Jesus crucified. That has been the basis for hatred of Jews for more than 2,000 years. In recent times, the religious aspect has faded and been replaced by blaming Jews for various injustices and crimes. It's especially monstruous to insinuate Jews outside Israel somehow share responsibility for the actions of the Israeli government or that crimes against Jews are mitigated by those actions, To claim Jews control the U.S. government is the most ignorant form of antisemitism.

Some of the posters on AN need an introductory course in First Amendment 101, a refresher course at the very least. Among its other provisions, the amendment states (my bold text) "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." PEACEFUL protest is protected, not the extreme disruption seen during the campus protests, encampments and building occupations by pro-Palestinian groups. Nor is harassment of Jewish students an exercise in free speech. It is a violation of both university policy and U.S. law. Mahmoud Khalil and all other foreign students who have lost their permission to remain in the U.S. have violated the terms under which their visas were granted. Khalil failed to disclose relevant information on his application for permanent resident status, which is obvious grounds for revocation. In 2024, the U,S. allowed 1.1 million foreign students to study in U.S. institutions of higher education, an all-time high. https://www.iie.org/news/us-hosts-more-than-1-1-million-intl-students-at-higher-education-institutions-all-time-high/ About 300 are facing removal for various violations that go way beyond protected speech and protest. It's hardly a move that will "chill" freedom of speech.

It's a sad fact that Jews are hated by both the political right and left, especially at the extreme ends of the left-right scale. In the U.S., Black Lives Matter, Antifa and the Nation of Islam share their hatred of Jews with the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazis. Antisemitism and persecution of Jews predates left-right politics by at least 1,700 years, but religious antisemitism who morphed into societal antisemitism in which Jews are hated for reasons beyond religion. But in 2025 C.E., just like in 25 C.E., hatred of Jews is indefensible. The fears and misunderstanding of much larger groups, whether Christian or Muslim, have been projected on a tiny group of people who make up only 0.2% of the world population. And antisemitism has kept up with the times. In medieval Europe, Jews were accused of murdering Christian children and using their blood to make matzahs. Today Jews are accused of murdering Muslim children in Gaza through military action. Different times, same story grounded in baseless antisemitism.

I don't feel any guilt whatsoever over the bombing the U.S. has done to defend freedom and democracy on 0ne hand and suppress terrorism on the other. I feel happiest over the U.S.-supplied bombs dropped by Israel on Gaza. That's the best possible use of my tax-payer dollars.

The Department of Justice has filed new charges against Mahmoud Khalil. claiming he failed to disclose relevant information in his application for permanent resident status. DOJ says Mahmoud Khalil didn’t disclose involvement in pro-Palestinian groups in green card application Trump's administration argued that Khalil's First Amendment claims are a "red herring " and that there's "an independent basis to justify removal sufficient to foreclose Khalil’s constitutional claim here." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doj-says-mahmoud-khalil-didnt-disclose-involvement-palestinian-groups-rcna197745 If it digs hard enough, the DOJ may be able to come up with even more grounds for revoking his Green Card. If I were a Federal prosecutor, I be asking the following questions as well: How did Khalil finance his studies at Columbia? The total cost to study at Columbia for two years in the program in which Khalil was enrolled would be about $160,000 ($40,000 per semester), plus another $60,000 for rent, food and other living expenses in NYC for two years. How did Khalil get his hands on $220,000? Did Khalil do any paid work for UNRWA or any other organization or group while on an F-1 student visa? How did Khalil get Algerian citizenship? Did Khalil belong to any organizations while growing up in Syria?

From the Roberts' Report, p. 33: "Beyond looting, on several occasions civilians filmed themselves inflicting harm and abuse on residents, including partaking in the desecration of corpses. In Nahal Oz, one civilian filmed himself attempting to behead a Thai worker with a garden hoe." That is the most horrifying video clip I have ever seen. The Palestinian laughs while chopping at the Thai with the hoe, clearly enjoying himself. Because of decades of indoctrination and centuries of antisemitism, it's not surprising Palestinians hate Jews and want to harm them whenever possible. But why would so much sadistic fury be aimed at a Thai worker? Can any pro-Palestinian BM explain why Palestinians killed 39 Thais and took others hostage?

So did the BBC and almost all of the other mainstream media. There's nothing very controversial about the report; it was headed by an eminent UK historian and was factual, comprehensive and unbiased. You'd think the media would want people to read such an account of the Oct. 7 attacks.

You are totally correct. Lord Andrew Roberts and his crew have written the best available account of the Oct. 7 attacks. It is factual and unbiased and describes the circumstances under each of the 1,182 victims were killed. The report is certain to become the "go to" reference work on Oct. 7. I haven't read a single negative review on the report, but most of the mainstream press has ignored its publication. That's a shame, as the report deserves to be widely read as it refutes many of the false claims by Hamas supporters about the attacks. I have a hard time understanding the thought processes of anyone who sympathizes with Hamas and it Palestinian supporters, given the horrific chain of events on Oct. 7 and Oct. 8..

Quilty??? I doubt you'll find too many Tren de Aragua members making quilts or even sleeping under one. ... But aside from any relationship to quilts, suspected members of Tren de Aragua, or any other foreigner, can be deported from the U.S. without a criminal conviction in a U.S. court. No non-U.S.-citizen has a right to remain in the U.S., but millions have been granted permission to do so by the U.S. government. Without such permission, the government is free to deport them for no other reason than they are in the U.S. illegally. The situation becomes trickier when the government seeks to remove foreigners who have valid status in the U.S. Conviction of a crime is not necessary for the removal of a Green Card holder, but the government is required to have strong reason to believe the immigrant's continued presence would not be in the best interests of the U.S. In any case, the government is not required to publicly disclose the reason. If the information about membership in or association with Tren de Aragua came through a confidential informant or undercover operation, it's understandable the government would keep it secret.

Mahmoud Khalil also has a bunch of tough questions to answer that could not just make him look foolish but guilty as well. If he obtained or has claimed Algerian citizenship fraudulently, that is prima facie grounds for revoking his green card. Question abound about his participation in the Master' s Program at Columbia's School of International and Public Affairs. His academic background was light years short of the usual requirements for admission to an elite institution like SIPA. Did Columbia waive the requirements for him? If so, why so? In what specific program was he enrolled? What courses did he take and what grades did he get? Khalil seems to have obtained his Green Card faster than his normal. His application would be based on his marriage to Noor Abdalla, a U.S. citizen. The Reuters interview with Abdalla ( https://www.reuters.com/world/us/wife-arrested-columbia-student-says-she-was-naive-believe-he-was-secure-2025-03-12/) says they were married in 2023 and he got his Green Card in 2024. Where and when were they married? When did they apply for his Green Card? When was it granted? In this Reuters' photo, Abdalla is holding a picture taken on their wedding day. Where and when was the wedding photo taken? Where and when was this photo taken? Second and third pics from https://www.es.amnesty.org/actua/acciones/eeuu-mahmoud-khalil-mar25/ Another huge question is to what degree he was a leader of Columbia University Apartheid Divest. The rhetoric on the CUAD SubStack is totally pro-Hamas and blatantly antisemitic. The posts use the terminology of Hamas and seem to have been written by someone who's not a native speaker of English. https://cuapartheiddivest.substack.com/ Moreover, members of CUAD passed out official Hamas pamphlets at the recent takeover of a building at Barnard College where Khalil was present. White House Press Secretary Karroline Leavitt said Khalil distributed the pamphlets. Many questions, but few answers so far.

That raises an interesting question- Where would Mahmoud Khalil be sent if he were deported from the U.S. ? He is a citizen of Algeria, but no one has yet explained how and when he got Algerian citizenship. All the reports I've read have said he was born and raised in Syria, then went to Lebanon for his university education and after that worked in Syria and Lebanon until he went to the U.S. What's his connection to Algeria? Syrian law doesn't allow Palestinians to become citizens of Syria except in very rare cases. Presumably he would be entitled to Palestinian citizenship because his parents were Palestinians, but there's no indication he has ever been to Palestine or made any attempt to formalize citizenship there. Would Algeria take him? If Algeria refused, where would he be sent?

The arrest and possible removal of Mahmoud Khalil from the U.S. isn't a free speech issue. He's been taken into custody because he violated the terms under which all foreigners are granted permanent resident (Green Card) status in the U.S. Khalil is an open supporter of a designated terrorist organization, Hamas, who took part in illegal activities at Columbia University. He served as a spokesman for Columbia University Apartheid Divest, an umbrella group which has directed much of the upheaval at Columbia. The various encampments, building occupations, disruptions of classes and harassment of Jewish students are ILLEGAL activities. Khalil's participation in them is enough to have his Green Card status revoked. Moreover, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt recently said Khalil had distributed official Hamas propaganda pamphlets that glorified the Oct. 7 attacks. https://apnews.com/article/columbia-university-protests-mahmoud-khalil-ice-arrests-9bf86be91daaecc98824ddeb7fef19eb Here's a list of Khalil's various activities at Columbia: https://canarymission.org/individual/Mahmoud_Khalil Take a look at this video and decide if the protests at Columbia were peaceful. Columbia Encampment Is Not Peaceful.mp4 Id there anyone who still believes Mahmoud Khalil doesn't deserve to be removed from the U.S.?

I have to differ on that. Many people are in need of an explanation of the Hamas-Israel conflict and I'm certainly not apologizing. The war will only end when Hamas is destroyed and an overwhelming majority of Palestinians accept Israel's right to exist behind secure borders as the homeland of the world's Jews.

It's clear Hamas cares nothing about the Palestinian people. Otherwise, it would have extended the ceasefire and released the hostages. The Hamas attacks of Oct. 7 against soft civilian targets in Israel brought down absolute hell on the Gazans. Take a look at this chart from the U.N. In 2023 before Oct. 7, only 35 Gazans had been killed by the IDF and almost all were Hamas operatives. The chart does not include deaths in Gaza from the current conflict. In the years when Hamas did not launch any sort of Intifada (uprising), the fatalities in the Gaza Strip were low. The 47,000 deaths after Oct. 7 were the direct result of an attack on Israel that accomplished nothing militarily but caused massive retaliation. None of this would have happened if the Palestinian Authority had been in control. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

The agency which is the source of the articles, AA, is a state-run Turkish news agency (Turkish: Anadolu Ajansı, lit. 'Anatolia Agency'; abbreviated AA). Hamas had plenty of opportunity to extend the ceasefire and free more hostages. That's the difference Israel and Hamas. Israel is retaliating for the Oct. 7 attack on its civilians by armed terrorists and the fact that Hamas refuses to release the remaining hostages it holds. The IDF knows through long experience that harsh language alone isn't effective against Hamas. Plus they got one more high-ranking official. An excerpt from the BBC article. "The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it was attacking what it called "terror targets" belonging to Hamas. The strikes are continuing and the IDF has recently issued fresh evacuation orders for many areas. Mahmoud Abu Wafah, the deputy interior minister in Gaza and the highest-ranking Hamas security official in the territory, is among the dead.{

I didn't link you to a speech because there was no ONE speech to which to link. As several government officials explained, Mahmoud Khalil isn't facing deportation because of a speech but because of his support of Hamas, a designated terrorist group. He has been accused by the Trump administration of distributing official Hamas pamphlets, among other activities. I posted a link to the pamphlet in a different thread. Once again, Khalil has not had his Green Card revoked because he made a speech. His actions as a leader of Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD) in support of Hamas violated the terms under which Green Cards are granted. Since you don't like Fox as a news source, how about The New York Times? Pro-Palestinian Group at Columbia Now Backs ‘Armed Resistance’ by Hamas https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/columbia-pro-palestinian-group-hamas.html?ogrp=dpl An excerpt about CUAD, the group which had Khalil as one of its leaders: "The pro-Palestinian group that sparked the student encampment movement at Columbia University in response to the Israel-Hamas war is becoming more hard-line in its rhetoric, openly supporting militant groups fighting Israel and rescinding an apology it made after one of its members said the school was lucky he wasn’t out killing Zionists." The posts on CUAD's Substack read as through they had been written by Hamas itself. Two examples, but there are many others: COMMEMORATING AL-AQSA FLOOD | HONORING OUR MARTYRS | https://cuapartheiddivest.substack.com/p/commemorating-al-aqsa-flood-honoring CUAD REMAINS COMMITTED TO OUR DEMANDS | A TRIBUTE TO YAHYA SINWAR | https://cuapartheiddivest.substack.com/p/cuad-remains-committed-to-our-demands Does anyone still doubt Mahmoud Khalil supports Hamas?

If you want to understand what the atmosphere was like at Columbia and the hatred Jewish students faced on a daily basis, watch the video below. The Administration of Columbia and its affiliate Barnard didn't take any meaningful action until very recently and almost certainly because of the prodding by Trump. The individual at 0.18 seconds threatening to murder Jewish students was one of the leaders of Columbia University Apartheid Divest at the same time Mahmoud Khalil was a CUAD leader. You can also take a look at the report on antisemitism at Columbia by the university's Task Force on Antisemitism here: https://president.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/content/Announcements/Report-2-Task-Force-on-Antisemitism.pdf It details many of the events in the video which had been led by Khalil. Columbia Encampment Is Not Peaceful.mp4

What makes you or any other BM believe Mahmoud Khalil has not received due process? What element of due process do you feel is lacking? I'm happy to outline in detail how due process has been met at every stage so far, but before I do that, it would be very helpful if someone could answer the above two questions. I have a feeling that some of you don't understand what due process means in an administrative procedure like revocation of Green Card status and removal from the U.S.

Separately, a Columbia student from India who had her student visa revoked after failing to disclose information on her arrest in connection with anti-Israel protests when applying for a visa extension has "self-deported" to Canada, the Department of Homeland Security said in a press release. A Palestinian student from the West Bank was arrested because of a visa overstay since 2022, the release added. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/03/14/video-columbia-university-student-whose-visa-was-revoked-supporting-hamas-and

You don't seem to realize that revocation of a Green Card or a student visa is an administrative procedure, not a criminal case. A visa or Green card holder doesn't have to be convicted of a crime. Should the holder violate the terms under which the visa or Green Card was granted, it can be revoked by the State Department or Department of Homeland Security without a criminal court proceeding. Accusations don't have to be proven in a court of law and affiliation with a terrorist group is a legitimate reason for deportation. BMs who sympathize with Mahmoud Khalil seem to believe he had his Green Card revoked and is facing deportation because he gave a speech or took part in a demonstration. That's totally wrong. He did a whole lot more than that, even if he hasn't been charged with a crime. I guess you missed the post I made that immediately preceded yours. The link in it gave numerous examples of his support for Hamas. https://canarymission.org/individual/Mahmoud_Khalil There's no doubt he is a supporter of Hamas.

For those of you who want to know what Mahmoud Khalil has been up to while a student at Columbia, there's an extensive list here: https://canarymission.org/individual/Mahmoud_Khalil

Maybe you should read this document: Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Takes Forceful and Unprecedented Steps to Combat Anti-Semitism https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/01/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-takes-forceful-and-unprecedented-steps-to-combat-anti-semitism/ One reason for Trump's action is the failure of Columbia and other universities to protect Jewish students. From Trump's Executive Order: "Immediate action will be taken by the Department of Justice to protect law and order, quell pro-Hamas vandalism and intimidation, and investigate and punish anti-Jewish racism in leftist, anti-American colleges and universities." This press release is also relevant: U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights Sends Letters to 60 Universities Under Investigation for Antisemitic Discrimination and Harassment Letters warn of potential enforcement actions if institutions do not fulfill their obligations under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act to protect Jewish students on campus. https://www.ed.gov/about/news/press-release/us-department-of-educations-office-civil-rights-sends-letters-60-universities-under-investigation-antisemitic-discrimination-and-harassment It looks like something is being done against antisemitism.