Nienke

I don’t use it but have a look at

http://www.csloxinfo.com/broadband/ipstar_en.asp

A friend of mine is in the process of installing it and has opted to buy a wireless router from an alternative source that is both more powerful and cheaper than that offered by his dealer so it is, as always, worth your time to shop around.

Thank you SamSipEt , that's very helpfull.

Nienke

Oh how sorry I am for your friend! Neutering is supposed to be a very easy operation .... and than this ....

About which vet in BKK euthanizes, unfortunately, I can't help you, but there must be as here in Chiang Mai there are several who do.

For cats specialists, maybe try the Kasetsart University??

Wishing your friend lots of strenght in this difficult time,

Nienke

Hi everyone,

Does anyone know which vets in Bangkok will euthanise a very ill animal? I know this is a very un-PC topic in Thailand so if you want to PM me the details instead of posting, then that's okay.

My friend's cat is very ill and has been that way for almost 4 weeks. She had him neutered and something went wrong (not sure exactly what, but another vet has confirmed that the operation was performed incorrectly). She is now taking him to a vet clinic attached to a university somewhere near Siam and rates the vets highly but they won't euthanise. She is having to take him every day for a drip and has to wait while he's there (not allowed to leave him there overnight). He has liver failure and other problems and the vet said he has only a small chance of survival. He hasn't eaten anything for this whole time. She is at the vet's right now and is trying to find out exact information on the prognosis, but if the drips and medication are just helping him to stay alive (rather than healing him) she thinks the best thing is to put him to sleep as he is obviously in pain and miserable.

Can anyone help recommend a vet that will do this?

Also, does anyone know of vet's that have particular expertise in cats as it seems that many vets don't really know that much about cat's compared to dogs (my cat also almost died after being spayed and the operation was performed incorrectly - different vet than this one).

thanks for your help.

Hello there,

Can anyone tell me where I can find an IP-Star shop in Chiang Mai?

What are your experiences with IP-Star?

What are the costs to install, contribution etc.?

Thanks, Nienke

Hi,

Is there anybody out there who knows IP-star and has experience with it?

Nienke

I have been looking around the Pattaya area but I don't really know what to look for in a good or bad Rottweiler. I read on a few web pages that breeding can be quite important. I just wonder for 6000 baht if I will get a quality dog or not. Any ideas on what i should look for or where?

Thanks!

Hi Tuffy,

I agree with Thaigerd that the chance to get a good quality (read: with no hereditary or birth defects) Rottweiler for 6,000 baht is pretty small, but not impossible.

Most breeders have no clue about genetics and that reflects in their dogs. Unfortunately with lots of HD and ED as result. Not even to mention the enormous variety there is in appearence under the 'real pedigree' Rottweiler (or any other bred).

Pups are usually weaned and taken away from the mother dog at 3 weeks already and sold at 6 to 7 weeks of age.

Pups that can be purchased in petshops or on pet markets are at very high risk of the infectious diseases parvo-virus and Canine distemper.

In other words a big word of warning before you get yourself a 'pedigree' dog.

Nevertheless there are also good (rottweiler) breeders. There is one in Bangkok that I always recommend to my customers. He buys the dams and sires from Germany, goes to Germany to shows himself and breeds already for over 10 years this breed (and only this breed). He knows what he is doing and what he is talking about. He is an absolute Rottweiler fan. However, so far I know the prices of his pups are not lower than 20,000 baht, but quality and good health is guaranteed.

His name is Khun Tawatchai.

Name of his kennel is Bangkok Wappen.

Tel. + Fax. : (02) 2817083,2826642, 06 3649827 or 01 5903377 (the 01 he uses more frequent)

WEBSITE: http://www.geocities.com/bangkokwappen/thaiversion.htm (however, it is in Thai only)

E MAIL: [email protected]

Wishing you good luck.

Got myself a rottie who just beacme 10. I love him to pieces (together with my other dogs, naturally)

Nienke

Hello there,

Can anyone tell me where I can find an IP-Star shop in Chiang Mai?

What are your experiences with IP-Star?

What are the costs to install, contribution etc.?

Thanks, Nienke

Bummer, I'm too quick with clicking ...

For several years I feed my dogs (and some of the customers dogs) raw food.

Ingredients you can buy on the local markets:

chicken (necks, feet, organs, etc.)

pork (spinal cord, organ meat etc)

buffalo (tripes, organs and recreational bones)

All sorts of veggies and fruit and, very recommendable: kati or grained coconut meat

WIth friendly greetings, Nienke

Hi all....

This topic is generally aimed at people in the Chiang Mai area.

Firstly, I have just obtained a young female Lab. After a number or years experience with dogs i feed them a species appropriate diet: i.e. a mixture of raw meat, muscle and organ; raw bones; and small amounts of vegs, and other nutritional extras.

Well, does anyone know where I might be able to find appropriate raw bones in the Chiang Mai area. The best are chicken necks (given I haven't seen any turkeys) followed by chicken wings and legs. I think I know where to get legs and wings but necks.........not sure. Anyone have advice where we could find any? Especially if they're organic.

Plus any opinions on dog diets would be fun so please join in......what do people think of species appropriate diets and the whole commercial world of dog food?.....

Secondly, after having obtained this pup....I've just found out I have to go to Singapore for six days...... Not happy because I previously thought i wouldn't be going anywhere this year or else i wouldn't have got the pup......but that's the situation.... Anyone know of any really good (and i mean really good kennels in the Chiang Mai area or is anyone looking to establish small group of animal owners who are willing to look after each others dogs for a few days on the odd occasion.....

Please let me know............

Hi there,

Haven't been able to check mail in the last couple of days. So saw this mail just now.

On the raw feeding of your dog, you can read more info on this forum's 2nd or 3rd page under 'humane killer'. You can also visit my website www.luckydogs.info. Under 'articles' you can find a file on the raw food diet or BARF (Bones And Raw Food).

On this website you can also read more info on boarding and training dogs.

With friendly greetings, Nienke

Well, I like all of those pics except the one of your dog taking a dump... I have a picture of my ma cleaning her dog's bum, but I think I will keep that one to myself

Pffff absolute "Mother Nature's Call!"

Nice pic's from the pigeon (or dove??? have to look it up again), and the chicks are cute Hope that my waterhens will return and breed in my pond. Will be stand-by with my camera

pictures please

Ok, but not of the waterhen. Of the garden life (I love my little camera toy )

I'll hope you enjoy!

Respectively:

* Flowers and fruit of cotton plant (i think)

* Flower water spinach, mimosa kind, mango flowers

* Happy boxer in boarding (and happy me, because I love boxers)

* MyLady Jasmin (that's my 13-yr old Afghan) and a almost 17-yr old Schnauzer I've had in baording

I haven't had to do anything to get birds to nest in my yard, they do it on their own. Providing a lot of thick shubbery helps. They nest a lot in my bougainvillea, also in my lemon trees and a few multi-colored shrubs the name of which I don't know. They like high and thick so that they can keep the nest out iof sight. I find I have to be careful when pruning not to accidentally clip the nests.

As to how often these birds breed -- seems to be a lot, eithetr that or they pass on their successful nesting sites to their friends. I notice that once they've successfully nested in a place it becomes pretty constant in that location, maybe just a few weeks break here and there.

Hi Sheryl,

Thanks for your answer. I was thinking of doing something extra to attract some new birds. Something like putting up little boxes with a whole in it (how you call that in proper English?).

And sure you have to be carefull with pruning, but then I'm thinking more of the bees nest I have in one of the palms.

Nienke

They look like the eggs of a quail... tasty

The bird in the picture does have a fondness for choosing odd nesting places.

Hi Sheryl and others,

I have a big place with lots of fruit and palm trees, plus a big fish pound and lots of birds. They even don't mind the dogs that much. Last year I had two waterhens nesting in the pound. Cute to watch the little black chicks hidden under the phak boong leaves and the ehad of mother hen popping above the leaves so ow and then. And a little bird weaving its nest in the grass around the pound and another weaving its nest at the end of a palm leave above the water.

If I would like to attract these kind of birds (such as the magpie robin) to nest somewhere on my property, what's the best thing to do (and no, not put boots in every tree ) Any suggestions?

Nienke

Hi Murni,

How's going with the raw diet for your dog? Does she like it?

With friendly greetings, Nienke

<a week ago, we did euthenize him due to spondylitis which his hindquarters just gave in from middle back on down.... ]

Bina,

I wish you lots of strenght with your huge loss.

Loosing a loved-one is horrible, but loosing a boxer is worse ...

I happened to have a enormous weakeness for this breed. And I know what this loss is, as I lost my little boxer, Lucky, three years ago. It still hurts sometimes. And sentimental as I am, I named my business after her :-)

With Friendly Greetings, Nienke

Sounds to me like what is hopeless is not the poor dog but the quality of veterinary care and advice you have gotten. If I understand correctly, no one has even made a clear diagnosis. If the new diet doesn’t work, I’d suggest trying to consult a western vet.

There are services where for a small fee you can get an online consultation. Two that I know of are:

www.askvetadvice.com

www.ask-the-vet.com

Since it is a skin problem, suggest you email photographs -- perhaps one full body shot and then a close up of the lesions. And give as detailed a history as possible – when it started, what has been tried so far, etc.

I think there is an excellent chance that with perseverance you can find out what the problem is and cure it. Good luck.

Hi Sheryl and others,

Regular vet's,Western and Eastern alike, have learned to treat symptoms, they don't go so much to the cause of the problems as many holistic vet's do. Only a very few amount of hours is spend on nutrition at veterinary universities and faculties. And most often such a module is sponsored my the commercial pet food companies. For sure they are not going to teach that raw feeding is way much better and beneficial to the animal than their commercial brand. Many of the teachers who teach this subject are trained, again, by the commercial pet food industrie. These people often really believe what they teach, and so do the vet's who once where their students.

In the case of the cairn terrier, I think that contacting an holistic vet in the Uk would be a very good idea.

Or if you, Murni, would like me to help I have done a course on homeopathic medicine for small animals. But still I normally consult my regular and homeopathic vet-friend in Holland, too, before coming to a diagnosis and treatment.

Wish you good luck with the raw diet for your dog. Keep my fingers crossed that she will like it :-)

With Friendly Greetings, Nienke

Hi There,

There are good and less good vet's in Chiang Mai. But I suppose that's everywhere the same.

I have good experiences with two veterinary clinics:

1. Dr. Nook Animal Hospital on the Chang Klan road close to the Ayuthaya Bank Tel.:053 - 818905

2. Ban Mha ka Meaw Animal Hospital along the Mahidol Rd, next to Chiang Mai Land entrance. Tel. : 053 204215

They all speak good English, have excellent service and do house-visits. Most of my customers have one of them as their veterinary surgeon.

They are also human, though, and sometimes they may not know immediately (but will certainly look it up and do their utter best to cure the disease), or very rare make initially a wrong diagnosis.

They are regular vet's, meaning they will treat symptoms with antibiotics, corticosteroids, etc.. I'm in favor of a holistic approach: looking what really causes the problem and try to cure that with regular, homeopathic or herbal med's or both.

With Friendly Greetings,

Nienke

.

What is the status of veterinary care in Thailand? I know that standards of animal care are a little different there than in the US/Aus/western Europe, but are there many good vets? Will they make house calls? (I'm probably not going to have a car for a while). What can I expect to pay for a visit?

Dear Tuffy,

Just saw your messge yesterday... I have consulted one of my American customers who has imported her dog about 2 years ago. Another has just send their dog back to the States.

There seems to be a company in the States (Florida) that is very knowledgeable and helpfull when it concerns sending animals from and back to the US. They are not cheap, she said, though.

Anyway, you can contact them thorugh their website:

www.airanimal.com or toll free (phone) 800 635 3448

I hope this will be of help to you and in time,

With friendly Greetings,

Nienke

Manager LuckyDogs Prt. Ltd.

I don't know if any one has run into these problems bringing their dog to Thailand but I am running into brick walls everywhere.

Now I am told by eva and China air cargo that i need to obtain an import permit from Thailand before they will accept the dog. Can't find this permit anywhere. From what i have learned I need to get it from the Department of Livestock (DLD) in Thailand. They won't respond to my email and when i and even my Thai wife try to call them they just hang up? Typical gov office?

http://www.dld.go.th/webenglish/index.html#home

we are days away from leaving now and I can't seem to get my dog (poompuy) a ride.

We are flying out of Alaska and my last hope is Thai air will accept him and we can fly out of LA on the non stop. I am trying to find that out presently if they will take him or not.

Anyone have any suggestions of info it would be greatly appreciated!

Hi All,

< I believe by switching to barf (raw diet) you will see improvement very soon! >

This is not always the case. A very small amount of dogs are not able to digest raw. Others may start with an improvement, followed by detoxification. The body will try to get rid of the toxins, received over the years, through all the possible canals it has. This can show in eye- and/or ear-discharge, all sorts of skin-rashes, cough, even (severe) diarrhea. This is a difficult phase for the owner, becuase when do you have to run to the vet for help and when do you have the detoxification let it run its course? In these cases I received huge support from my internet friends, including holistic vet's (I'm not a vet, but have gained a certificate for manager of a boarding and/or rescue kennel for small animals, level assitent vet.)

<for a start try some chicken necks cut small,>

That is the best to start with: chicken necks or wings. Why? Because these have approximately a 50% bone and 50% meat ratio. Of course, when your dog turns out to be allergic to chicken (and pretty much all dogfood contains in one or another way chicken. even those made for sensitive skin, allergen or the lamb-andrice ones)

<if she/he doesn't like it try minced beef, if necessary mixed with rice or noodles, also raw eggs mixed with it. >

Please, be carefull here. Giving to, many different things in the beginning can cause severe diarrhea. It is not advisable to give nay organ meat, veggies or raw eggs in the first two weeks of the diet. Also any cereal product I wouldn't advice, as it is very possible this is one of the reasons causing the skin problems.

It is better to start of with chicken, cold turkey, as mentioned above. If your dog does not eat it, bad luck, offer it again the next meal. Many dogs just don't recognize this kind of food the first time. Some will play with it a bit, others chew on it but don't really eat it. But you also have those that will swallow it away in one time, then look at you as if they want to say: " Man, that took you a long time to understand what I really like and need". I have seen it so many times, that the dog looks up with really grateful eyes (of course, that's my human interpretation ).

What also can help is to dip the neck or wing in boiled water for a split second (and really not longer than that!!). The outside will get the smell of cooked chicken, something that most dogs have had as treat from their owners, once in a while, and therefore they may recognize it and then eat it.

<essential for dogs especially with skin problems are the omega oils which are found in fish like mackerel or tuna> <you can also add oils like flax oil or olive oil>

Or sardines. The smaller seafish are the best.

Flax or olive oils are good oils (but I prefer to mix the oils a seach oils has different percentages of goodies in there), another excellent veggie oil is coconut oil. Just one teaspoon everyday through the meal, can do wonders. You can also rub it on the skin! The coconut oil is extremely easy to make yourself: just go to the market and buy kati. Put the bag in the fridge and wait a few hours. The oil will come to the top and the water stays down. In the fridge the oil becomes hard too, and thus easy to seperate from the water. Don't throw the water away, but mixed it through the food of the animal. The oily stuff you have left will not be cristal clear, but has debris inthere. That's no problem at all. The cristal clear ones, are only hugely expensive.

<try the fish cooked as most dogs don't like it raw>

Oh yeh! I do have experience in that! They really split it out, with huge disgusted faces

I normally use canned sardines or mackerel. Bummer is though, that all these cans contains MSG.

<for bones try meaty beef bones or chicken legs or pork soup bones. at the local markets you can find beef bones they will cut them up for you, also liver, heart, offals, blood is good, give it a try.>

Under Raw Meaty Bones is understood all these soft(er) bones a dog actually can eat. That are chicken, duck, rabbit bones, pork rib or spinal cord, or the last ribs from a cow or buffalo carcass. Skulls, big ribs of cow/buffalo, hip and shoulder bones, or leg bones are more recreational bones. The dog will chew on it but not really eat it, try to lick the bone marrow out. It can also the teeth can get worn out easily of dogs with bad. Therefore, I suggest to give recreational bones maybe ones a week. teeth.

<also green leaf vegetables are very healthy, mix them cooked and cut small in the food.>

I prefer to give even the veggies raw. For the dog being able to digest veggies and fruit you have to blend them first. In this way the hard cell-walls in the veggies and fruit will mechenically broken down and then the dog (or cat) is able to digest the goodies in the cells. some dogs absolutley will refuse to turn into a rabbit (look at there faces when they think like that ). In these cases you can do choose to cook the veggies (lightly!!) before mixing, or you start of with mixing only a tea- or tablespoon with offal meat or fish. When this goes well, you slowy increase the amount of veggies untill you reach a 50-50 basis.

<chicken carcasses or chicken parts are good too, but beef is better. >

Do not agree with this statement. Chicen and beef contain different goodies, making it both good. However, dogs with artrtitis, for example, should not eat beef at all (nor cereal products)

<always change the dieat and offer different, new foods.>

Oh yeh, that's he secret of all good diets: variety!

<vitamins like vitamin c and e are very important for a sick dog as well, give tablets for humans.>

The vitamin C products containing Ascorbic acid only can not properly be digested by the dog, meaning that what goes in from the front will almost all come out from the back. It is better to use products where the Ascorbic acid is combined with Sodium or Calcium ascorbate. I normally use the Brand 'Hi-Cee' which you can buy in any pharmacy. Start with giving 1/4 of a tablet per day for a small dog (as your dog). Keep an eye on her feces. If they go soft, stop for a day or two. Then try again but with, for example, 1/8 pill. If this goes well, slowly increase (over a week or two) to 1 pill a day (= 500 mg)

<don't give calcium supplements.>

Totally agree, if you give enough bones. How much approximately you can read in my article. over-dose of calcium can do as much harm to the animals skeleton as a lack of it can do.

<if your dog doesn't accept raw food, try for some days, perhaps mixed with cooked meat. usually dogs are crazy for raw meat and bones, try it! >

Oh yeh, you should keep your camera ready

<the vets usually don't support raw feeding as they sell the manufactured food and are brainwashed by these companies.>

Some vet's in the UK has brought this subject into the first House (or what's it called?) they try to change laws concerning the commercial pet foods.

<your dog gets the runnigs or an upset stomach if it has been fed only kibble for years.>

If that's the case, stop for a few days until the feces are back to normal. Then start with just a little piece at the time. Look how the dog is doing on this. Does it goes well, slowly increase the amount untill you reach about the amount you normally will feed you dog.

Now, this mail has become huge again,

I hope I have been of more help to you. In case you have more questions, please, just fire them off

With friendly greetings, Nienke

Hi,

A good pet carrier you can buy from the pet shop in Airport Plaza in the parkinglot on ground level or the petshop between Carrefour and the Makro (same owner). A good size carrier for your dog should be slightly larger than the lenght between the tip of it's nose and tail onset. The height should be a bit higher than the dog when having its head in neutral position.

I'm not in favor of sedating the animal during the trip. This has several reason:

* a sedated dog can suffocate due to its own tongue slipping back in its throat.

* the body temperature of a sedated animal can drop enough for it to die during the flight (KLM does not accept sedated animals because of this reason)

* as mentioned in another mail, a sedated dog can panick because it is sedated.

It would be much better to crate-train your dog. Make it feel comfortable in its crate. Make that the dog experiences the crate as its safe den, somethings where it can sleep quietly and safe away from daily commotion. This safe den you can take whereever you go on any travel.

More often dogs and cats go basurk during travel due to lack of crate-training (and therefore hate to be confined) than that they panick because of the travel.

With Friendly Greetings, Nienke

As mentioned in my previous posts, I will have to return to the US. Can anyone recommend where I can buy a good carrier in Chiang Mai for a 19 kilo dog?

Also, again, I welcome ANY suggestions on how to make this trip as painless as possible with my dog.

<None of the vets up here will put her to sleep >

There certainly are vet's in Chaing Mai who are willing to euthanize (pet) animals. The good ones, though, will only do so when they are sure there is no way the animal can recover and only face a slow miserable painfull road to a natural death. But if they think there is still a chance the animal can live a bit longer (in a humane way) on med's they may refuse to euthanize the animal already. :

I also know of vets who euthanized perfectly healthy dogs, only because they were too much for the owner or because the owner said the dog bited (but was not willing to put time, effort or money) in a behavior rehabilitation program. :annoyed

With friendly greetings, Nienke

Hi Murni

What do you feed her? Kibble, home-made or raw feeding?

Is it possible that your dog is allergic to the grains or the (chemical) additives in the food or is the food lacking in proteins, vitamins minerals etc.?

Many dogs are allergic to (too much) grains. This is not surprising as dogs are NOT grain eaters, they are carnivores. (isn't it that there was a huge problem with mad cow disease in Europe after they had receive meat products through their food for certain periods of time? Cows are herbivores, not omnivores nor carnivores)

Many commercial dogfoods are full of chemical colorings flavors preservatives (such as etoxiquin, some heavy poison which is prohibited in human food, BHA and BHT), etc.

The cheaper the dogfood the less the quality. You just can't have real good dogfood for a cheap price, as good ingredients cost money. However, waste products (feather, beaks, fur, tissue material, etc) do give protein too, and so does mais, soya and other cereal. This together gives the CRUDE PROTEIN as is written on each dog- or cat food bag. The percentage crude protein, as given on the bag, certainly isn't a lie, but that does not mean it will be bio-available to the animal. And if the animal is not able to take up all these proteins, on the long or short term (depending on the individual) all sorts of health problems will develop.

Next to this, due to the heating process (in order to make the kibble or canned food) many of the goodies change their chemical composition, disappear completely. All enzymes, so much neede for a proper digestion, are killed by this heating process. In order to fulfill he standards, given by an American foundation or something, later chemically made vitamins and minerals are added to the food. Of course, they are not as good for the animal than the natural ones.

With the oils the same story: good oils cost money. Often used oils, collected from restaurants etc, are used to put in dog and cat foods.

Since 2001 I feed my dogs the raw food diet with splendid results. (customers dogs are fed the commercial dog food brand: Hill's Science Diet, unless requesed differently). Since I feed raw to my dogs, the seizures my my little boxer experienced stopped. A little Westi, from a veterinary friend in Holland, that suffered severe epileptic attacks and was on heavy medication, came free of all his problems after feeding raw for three years. A customer dog that suffered (unkown) skin problems with severe itch for years (and also here was tried 'everything') recovered after aproximately two years on raw. Another customer's dogs with generalizefd demodectic mange and almost completely bold when she called me for advice, was back in coat in about 6 weeks.

Of course, I don't want to say the animal will become immune to disease or that by giving a raw diet all problems will disappear. This naturally depends on the cause of the problems. (many vet's treat only symptoms, but not the cause. That's why problems re-occur as soon as you stop treatment. Not to even think about what this long-term medication does to your animal). But I do want to share my experience with you on behalf of the animal.

And that is that, im my opinion and experience raw feeding is the best diet you can provide to your animal. If this is not an option, then I would choose to give a cooked diet. If that still isn't an option then, at least, give high quality commercial dog (or cat) food (many custmers dogs fed on supermarket food, visibly improved after being given Science Diet for at least 10 days). And for quality you pay. On the other hand, your vet bill goes down.

Last year I have been writing articles on this subject in the Chiang Mai Mail. They are also published on their website: www.chiangmai-mail.com You can also find more info on my website: www.luckydogs.info

I do hope you will find a way to help your dog soon and euthanasia won't be necessary. She's just too lovely and sweet.

Please, don't hesitate to ask for more info, if the need arises

With friendly Greetings, Nienke

We moved from England Two & a half years ago & brought our Cairn Terrier with us.

Soon after we arrived she developed skin problems, we have consulted 4 vets here in Chiang Mai & we have tried EVERYTHING. Her life is pure misery & it's time to let her go. None of the vets up here will put her to sleep & we are desperate, does anyone know of a humane way that we can

end her suffering?

Thanks in advance