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On 10/20/2024 at 10:11 AM, Sheryl said:

Should never buy meds at a hospital  mark up is huge. 

 

Make a note of what they are and buy at a pharmacy. 

Thanks.

I'm aware of that and do that locally, always going to pharmacy.

However, in this case I knew I'd need to see the doctor again. I didn't want to raise any concerns that I hadn't followed his advice and I didn't know if I'd need a prescription for one of the others. I was a little woozy after the local too! Didn't consider at that time that he'd probably not know if I'd purchased the prescriptions at the hospital or not.

After eventually finding my medical records, it showed that my memory was disconcertingly way off and I'd had a check very recently.

However, as I've also been having nose issues which had taken me to Bangkok Pattaya, I decided it was worth seeing  Prof. Parit Mekaroonkamol as recommended by Sheryl and others at Medpark Hospital, regardless.

He did feel that it was worthwhile having another gastroscopy despite being less that 2 years since the last, which had indicated a relatively small area and no dysplasia. I had that done only yesterday.

I will be hearing more and probably another consultation post biopsy in the next few weeks, but I did want to note that the the 16,500 cost is nowhere near the overall total. For a short consultation, the gastroscopy and pills for Heliobacter Pylori, to date I'm at 32,000B

I will say the hospital cost of pills was more extreme than I'd previously experienced. For example Amoxicillin 500mg x 56 was 1400B.

I will say Prof. Parit Mekaroonkamol is reassuringly knowledgeable and English is excellent. 

I'll update further after results and subsequent visit(s).

On 10/13/2024 at 1:10 PM, digbeth said:

sorry, that was worded poorly, 

I mean offer the old owner some money to 'move out' this is usually called moving expense in eviction, yes, ideally you shouldn't need to pay anything to kick him out, but it might end up cheaper and saves time while being amicable 

That's an interesting thought.  We'll keep that in reserve as a last option, after giving him time with the buy, rent. move out or legal action choices.

On 10/13/2024 at 2:27 PM, bunnydrops said:

The land that he owns next door-- is it worth a trade?

I'd be 100% sure that is not a consideration. It's a bigger plot with a bigger house.

17 hours ago, digbeth said:

Did the lawyer suggest you offer 'cost of moving' for his inconvenience? 

Sorry, I don't understand?

14 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I am generally a fan of lawyers, but I would negotiate the payment schedule to be back-loaded such that a significant portion is payable after you take possession of the property. 

Many thanks. I wasn't aware that was possible.

23 hours ago, JeffersLos said:

Thai problems, for Thais to solve, sit back with a beer.

 

 

Ohh, you gave the money to the GF buy the land.

 

And the lawyer, that's not her old flame or cousin is it. 

 

Come on man, open your eyes. 🙂 

 

 

LMFAO!! Have another beer and keep upping your 'wisdom'

22 hours ago, digbeth said:

court order and evictions are possible, but it requies cooperation of the police, how influential is the village headman with the local police? what's your standing within the community, even if sucessful can you build a house that's known as the ones who evicted the village head? 

 

if he really has nowhere to go, working something out like letting him rent/lease/usufruct his own house from you until his death would mean you get to keep this land 

The lawyer apparently is close with the police and suggests it will not be a problem to have them come in once it's gone through the courts. We will see if that is talk.

The occupant owns 3 adjacent subplots, so it's not like he will be destitute.

56 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

They may have only paid 80K but the land may be worth far more.

I believe that is the case, particularly as that was just for the land and there is a decent house on it, which the lawyer has told me my gf now owns too.

4 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

I was thinking along the same lines but with a far more 'aggressive' debt collector.

 

That would indeed be nice, but would come back against my gf in some sort of negative credit way.

5 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

Been involved with 2 encroachment cases.  In the first one a family known to the missus built part of their house on a part of our land.  They came up with many excuses over two years not to negotiate.  Eventually the missus shocked them with a court summons.  They showed up and mediation was ordered by the court.  We offered to sell them the whole piece of land they had encroached part of.  If not, the court would issue an order to evacuate our land, involving demolition of part of their house.  Eventually they agreed to buy our plot for about 50% more than we paid for it.  We gave some time to pay and a daughter was able to borrow from a bank to pay.  So it was relatively easily solved once we took them to court.  They still talk to the MIL in the village which is a surprisingly positive bonus.

 

The second one is much nastier and involves a 20 odd rai plot acquired through sale with the right of redemption.  The owners borrowed money to do funny business in local elections, as learned later, expecting to get a relative elected and be able pay back the debt with corruption money but were outbid in the election and have never been able to pay back all the money they borrowed or redeem sales with right of redemption. Our sale or redemption contract was for only one year and they never paid any agreed interest but asked for it to be extended which the missus for a year out of kindness, even without any payment. They kept saying they were just about to get the money to redeem but never did and came out with tricks like please transfer the title before payment because the bank will only lend after transfer 555.  They asked to rent the plot  and signed an agreement and paid the rent for one or two years.  But then stopped paying and squatted on the land.  After a couple of years of them squatting, the missus hired someone to plant trees on it but they wouldn't let him on to our land.  We sued for eviction and the case is ongoing.  The missus has to fly up for the court hearings and they usually send a lawyer to say they can't make it to waste her time and money.  But now the court has ordered that they can't delay any longer and, if they can't agree to buy the land at market price acceptable to the missus or enter into a new rental contract, an eviction order will issued.  Since it is a Nor Sor Sam Kor green title deed, their plan was obviously to claim squatters rights after using the land for 10 years claiming the owner had abandoned it.  However, the court case frustrates that because it is evidence that the owner wanted the land back and they were squatting illegally with no rights to claim the land in future.   We will take it to the village headman to persuade them to leave the land and let our guy work on it, if we get an eviction notice.  If we can plant timber trees there, it will be useless for their rice growing and timber trees will make it look like it is in constant use by the owner.  Then we can sell it and get out of the situation.  But at least we hope to get a court order to frustrate their squatter rights. 

 

We have incurred about 100k in lawyer fees so far but the market value of the land is over 3m today which we don't want to write off.  In the OP's case, with a 80k investment and 30k in lawyer fees that could rise higher, I would suggest it is better to put it down to experience.

My commiserations on the problems with the second case. I hope you're able to get that resolved.

Your noted experiences are vaulable to know about and I appreciate all the details.

I was going to agree with you and just write this off and not waste further money on it, but my girlfriend has taken it personally and wants him to summoned, which for the sake of 30,000B I might just do. The principle of this tosser thinking he can just get off scot free makes me inclined to spend just to try to wipe the smile off his face.

26 minutes ago, john donson said:

how much for a bulldozer to level the place?

If we do not agree terms with the squatter, we will simply sell as is once evicted. Zero consideration for us living there now.

Thanks to all for your comments.

The lawyer will use the police once the notice has been served and if failed to withdraw within 30 days. The squatter has stated he will not do anything unless legal papers are served, so just the police is apparently not an option.

It's the fault of the website displaying incorrectly. Bpundaries are correctly recorded on chanote and at the land office. The website has wrongly drawn the plot over part of an adjacent school plot, rather than what was previously part of a chanote of the current encumbent. He split the land into 2 chanotes, so that he could get financing as I have now found out. I have been told that there is zero chance of any recourse for the official website https://landsmaps.dol.go.th displaying incorrect details 😞

We've just been unlucky that this was wrongly displayed or we would have never pursued this. Sadly, there was no other way to obtain that information till the land was purchased.

We will give him the choice of purchasing or leasing the land/house before pursuiing legal action.

He wrongly thinks we will not pursue legal action and will only consider doing something till we do so. He is wrong, once legal action is commenced, purchasing/leasing options will only be available at a much higher price. The lawyer I saw today did not consider there would be future obstacles for reselling once this is complete, which was reassuring.

I would particularly like to thank @Crossy fot the leasing suggestion which we will offer, but again thanks to all. Your comments were greatly appreciated.

21 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

If the land is Nor Sor 4 as you claim then it's all singing all dancing. Your  girlfriend is very lucky to have bought a piece of Chanote land at such a cheap price. My wife and I bought a Rai and a quarter of Chanote titled land 19 years ago for 400,000. But exchange rates were somewhat different in those days.

It's not a big bit of land. Just over 1 ngan, but seemed ideal when we saw the purported empty plot with electric immediately to hand. Unfortunately, now with the full story which was not available, despite many questions to the govt office preceding the auction, we would not have touched it with a bargepole. She is not feeling lucky and neither am I 😞

The recommended lawyer which we are considering using to do the eviction has confirmed the chanote is all correct and there should not be a problem.

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

How old is the squatter? 

I believe he's in his 60's and in reasonable health

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

The OP keeps mentioning 'Chanote'. The land will have a title but not 'Chanote'. Don't buy land unless you know what you are doing. 

The land was bought officially via government and detailed as such, for which my girlfriend now has the chanote (nor soi 4), which is the official title of the land. What is your problem with the use of chanote? It correctly distinguishes it from other lesser forms of title for the land, which I feel was appropriate to note. The problem is that it was misrepresented by Kalasin province (local government). We are not talking about some private deal. 

And yes as noted earlier, we are fully aware of squatters law in Thailand which would apply after 10 years.

2 minutes ago, Crossy said:

Adding a different tack, would there be any mileage in leasing/renting the space occupied by the house/village office to the current occupant?

 

That is a good suggestion. I doubt he will be amendable, but we will pursue.

2 hours ago, CanadaSam said:

As degrub mentioned, I would ask the lawyer about going after the parties that actually sold you the land.

 

If that is possible, you obviously have a strong case buying a plot that is supposed to be vacant, but in actuality is occupied.

 

At the least, you would get a refund, if not additional damages for time and expenses.

 

 

That would be a nice scenario, but it was an official government run auction, presumably allowed after going through the courts. 

We had automatically dismissed consideration of any plots with property. Only wanting empty land, but I find it hard to believe we could possibly have any success pursuing action against the government province. I will consult yet another lawyer about that, as you and degrub noted that. Thanks.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, I understand it's not an optimal situation to have a disgruntled headsman next door. But you or the lady paid good money for this land. Lucky you paid a low price so the 30000 eviction cost is still tenable. 

 

How big is this land and what purpose did you have in mind? 

 

You could 

 

A) evict him and live with the disgruntled neighbour 

 

B) Evict him then sell the land

 

C) Try to work out a deal with him. If  you offer him 30000 to leave the land, maybe he would take it? 

 

Is there any other option? 

A is not a consideration and that was part of the original thought of building a home there. as not too much soil was needed on what the government marked as the land. I would be fearful of having this person as a neighbor, so C is also not an option. A neighbour like that in a position of authority sounds like a nightmare to be avoided at all costs.

B I would be fearful of comeback from any purchaser.

I see the only option as getting some money from him. I don't believe that he has no money. A penniless headman with a separate home and land in a good location, doesn't add up. Losing the land when using it to make good money should mean something.

38 minutes ago, degrub said:

Who was responsible for the website listing ?

If the finance company, then maybe go after them for fraud if there is a statute that covers this case for the cost of the land and legal fees, etc.

 

Otherwise, chalk it up to experience and walk away.

 

Is there a squatters law that allows someone to take possession of a property after occupying it for a number of years ?

Given he is headman, eviction just sounds like an opportunity for revenge  by making things as difficult as possible if someone moves there.

Official government website, so no opportunity there and sadly I agree that revenge would be almost guaranteed. Loss of face for a headsman would never sit.

35 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I agree with your proposed course of action in terms of pursuing legal action. However, I do not think he will play ball. If he has no money he has no money, and whether you give him 6 or 12 months it is unlikely he will pay. The only real option is to pursue an eviction and get him off the land. If you play nice with him, give him a long time to pay, this will be construed as weakness and he will drag things out and still not pay or leave. Only if a robust legal  document is presented would he change his mind to do something.

 

This is my belief.

I agree, but the problem is that he owns the land next door and as headsman, doubtless everyone else there will support him.

Yes, there is a squatter's law in Thailand, which is very favourable to the squatter.

My girlfriend has what seems to me to be an unusual situation with a piece of land purchased through a state government auction in Kalasin for 80,000B.

We checked the land out first at https://landsmaps.dol.go.th, which confirmed that it was as listed and an empty plot bordering a local road. I was a little surprised when we visited, that I could not find the official corner markers for the land, but put that down to them being covered in soil.

She was successful at the auction and then got it officially registered and the chanote in her name. This did take a few months, which I gather is not unusual.

However, when her parents went to look at the land, they were told that what was marked on the earlier mentioned website was incorrect and the chanote noted a different adjacent area with a house on it. It looked like a plot had been split and recorded accordingly with 2 different chanotes. The website was just wrong. The owner of the house on the land said they wouldn't move, although they also had a home on the land next to it.

My girlfriend and her family went to see a lawyer and he confirmed that the land had been registered correctly and my girlfriend was indeed the legally correct owner of the land. The auction had come about as the prior incumbent had put up that land as collateral for a car loan, which they had failed to repay. Hence, the auction via the province of Kalasin government. Initiated by the financing company, who had provided the loan. The lawyer said he could take the illegal occupant to court and force them to leave, but that would cost 30,000B in fees and expenses.

I felt that this would be a bad situation, being next door to an unhappy prior owner to say the least, but now it has gotten even more bizarre. It turns out this man is the headman of this village/town AND he is paid by the government, to use this land/house as the local district ombudsman. For which he probably gets a salary and rent for the office.

I feel the only option aside from swallowing the loss of 80,000B is to get this prior owner/headman to enter into an agreement to buy the land back. After all, he has built a house on it and his job needs that. He has claimed that he has no money and won't do anything. I feel the threat of legal action, which would mean the loss of house, potential loss of job, especially if it was chosen to press this with the local district should loosen his pocket. I am however, very nervous dealing with someone who clearly has influence and and appears to feel bulletproof.

I'm assuming that the only option is to give him a set period, say 6 - 12 months to pay an agreed sum, such that upon payment she would then be obligated to transfer ownership to him? If not satisfied, then pursue legal action.

She is emotionally vested in this land and does not want to lose the land for nothing.

On 9/21/2024 at 1:21 PM, Will B Good said:

 

 

Can I ask a few questions? .......the reason being I was headed your way re: Barrett's.......Just ignore me if you wish.

 

I have a hiatal hernia/open LOS valve. I was put on PPIs and told not to have an operation as the risks were to great.

 

Were you offered an operation? What medication were/are you on?

 

Have you heard about the new operation that inserts some plastic device into the oesophagus if PPIs don't work?

 

Hope you get sorted regardless.

Yes, I had seen that op some years back, but had failed to find a specialist who performs that op. Felt there was zero chance of finding someone in Thailand, so as docs had said that I had a relatively small area, I'd let it slide.

You're reminding me to do more checking up on that!

48 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

I took this promo at medpark about 18 months ago. The price did include consultation and sedation. The procedure was very very gentle as they use modern equipment.

 

Of course, any other issues that may be found during procedure will not be covered as with any other hospital. 

 

I am surprised that someone with Barrets is only doing endoscopy every 5 years. I have small hiatal hernia and annoying reflux and endoscopy is recommended every 3 years.

That's great to know. Thanks!

 I have not had any dysplasia and it is a small section, so 3 to 5 years was suggested range. With covid, I'd just let it run to the longer end.

Hopefully, that doesn't come back to bite me.

4 hours ago, Sheryl said:

I am not able to recommend a doctor in Pattaya area for this and it is too important to leave to an average doctor

 

You should come to Bangkok.

 

In doing that, you'll need to choose between paying more and being able to get what you need pretty much at once, or paying less but having to either make 2 trips or stay a while in Bangkok.

 

I suggest you consult Prof. Parit Mekaroonkamol. He can be seen at any of 3 private hospitals or (more time-consuming, but cheaper) through Chulalongkorn Hospital.

 

Private hospitals:

 

https://www.medparkhospital.com/en-US/doctors/asst-prof-dr-parit-mekaroonkamol

 

https://www.bangkokhospital.com/en/doctor/assoc-prof-dr-parit-mekaroonkamol

 

https://www.bumrungrad.com/en/doctors/Parit -Mekaroonkamol

 

He is US trained (Emory Univ) and very thorough.

 

If you want to try through Chula, contact is  https://chulalongkornhospital.go.th/kcmh/en/ec/ศูนย์ความเป็นเลิศทางกา/

I have no experience or feedback on people trying to directly access that center so can't say how easy it will be.

 

Personally, I'd try to have it done by him at MedPark, they have a promotional price through end of the year of 16,500  https://www.medparkhospital.com/en-US/packages/gastroscopy-colonoscopy-package

Need to confirm if this price includes IV sedation or not. Even if that is extra, still a good price for Thailand.

Many thanks Sheryl. I greatly appreciate your informed, expansive and detailed answer.

I am certainly a little gun shy after my experience at Ayr with an incompetent specialist, who i should have reported to BMA.

It is surprising, as I believe you have noted before about the costs, which are surprisingly greater than I experienced with a top specialist in the UK seen privately.

I will contact the specialists that you've suggested.

I will certainly post my experiences once I have had this done.

Many thanks