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10 hours ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

Well just as I thought and I would be surprised if it wasn't delayed even further

it's total discrimination and violates the ethics agreement between Thailand and Astrazeneca.

Time to lobby our Embassies and Astrazeneca I think.
Otherwise we are looking at the Jab by the end of year or later by which time Thailand will probably have reached heard immunity.

Have already done that. None of them are interested

11 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Net: If over 60 or have underlying conditions, you can get a jab in June.  The rest starting in July.  Only 2 jabs available.  The rest?  Who knows.

 

Right?

NO, you missed out "AND have a Thai ID"

7 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

I plan to get vaccinated again, even though I have had 2 jabs of Moderna. Getting a different type of vaccine later this year may both extend my immunity and give me wider protection against future mutations. 

 

Or I might die from the combination. 

So almost no-one here has been vaccinated and you're willing to deprive someone of a desperately.needed shot?

On 5/3/2021 at 1:11 PM, Russell17au said:

A friend of ours in Immigration talked me into applying for it at Khon Kaen. I ended up giving it up as a total waste of time and money because of the person that I had to deal with at the Amphur office. I am married to a Thai National and our marriage is registered at the Khon Kaen Amphur office. What I needed for this person at the Amphur office was

1: Certificate of residence from immigration

2: A letter from the local police (which turned out to be a TM30 filled in by the police)

3: copy of my wife's blue book

4: copy of my wife's ID card

5: copy of my visa extension stamp

6: 2 passport size photos

7: copy of my passport information page as it is in the passport

8: copy of my passport information page translated into Thai and certified by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Bangkok

There was a certified copy of my passport in the office directly across the hall where we were married but that was not acceptable, it had to be a new one, so I gave up on the idea.

I do not know if it will be the same for you. Good Luck.

I almost forgot, 2 witnesses and they must be Thai.

Thanks. I'd read this elsewhere and was aware of the requirements and even with those available, how it can be a complete nightmare in a lot of Amphurs. I was hoping Banglamung might be easier, but as no-one has said that and as I have a number of high risk conditions, meaning I am shielding now, all this interaction and likely no positive result is making this a non-starter.

I was only considering for the vaccine, so will wait now till I have my own permanent residence. Vaccine will just have to be done overseas with the inherent risks of infection en-route.

Thanks to all.

On 5/4/2021 at 7:13 PM, habuspasha said:

But it's not hard to imagine that they would want governments to absorb what could be colossal liability risks.

True, but I strongly believe in the unlikely event of that, national governments would intervene rather than being at a corporate level. Especially as in the US, these have been funded by the US government.

3 hours ago, overherebc said:

If expats have to register then fix the system to accept passport details.

All of us in this situation, should contact our Embassies to impress this on them. I have done so. Weight of responses may require them doing something and/or making their displeasure if their pressure is getting nowhere

I have done so. Standard response, but even so, the more who do this the better. It can't hurt.

1 hour ago, chiman said:

Moderna, JJ, and Pfizer can only be sold to governments, they are not selling to private companies.  The Thai government would need to order from them, and then wait for their order to be fulfilled.  This is how it is being done globally.. 

https://www.timesnownews.com/business-economy/economy/article/private-firms-will-have-freedom-to-buy-covid-19-vaccines-at-market-price-for-staff-can-directly-import-pfizer-moderna-shots/748120

It's very hard to imagine that capitalist corporations that have to respond to their share holders and the stock market, will not try to maximize profit by selling their available supplies to the highest bidders.

8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The biggest problem for people to get yellow tambien ban for a rented house or condo would be getting permission from the owner of the property to have it issued.

I don't believe that would be an issue for me. My landlord has been extremely accommodating with regard to documents and I would happily compensate him to make it even more attractive. I know that money is tight for him.

However, I didn't want to press him, unless I knew that it was a practical option in Banglamung.

I have read about the difficulties that even property owners have had in getting this document, but was interested if anyone has had any success in getting this as a renter in Banglamung? I understand this is legally permissible, but reality is somewhat different and is impossible at a lot of amphurs.

Thanks.

30 minutes ago, JAS21 said:

I have both ... I am waiting pen poised for your pole...
 

"waiting for your pole", sounds like you're a bar girl, ladyboy or boy ????

The hospital I spoke with said that the Thai FDA were refusing their requests to pursue vaccine overseas

I have given up having my CGM supplies sent by DHL

After DHL ensured that the last package had no problems, I foolishly thought that the next sent package of CGM supplies with identical labelling and documentation would have no problem, but NO.  Thai customs impounded it and demanded further new documentation. I submitted all requested doctor and medical documentation within 24 hours, but they kept my package for another 5 weeks before eventually releasing it. When they did so, they made exorbitant charges for keeping the package for every day they impounded my package.

So apparently, they can keep as long as they like and charge for their incompetence.

During this period whilst I waited for them to release my package, I complained to the lady at DHL in the UK who had ensured that my prior package went through problem-free. Incredibly, she said that DHL had no control of Thai customs behaviour. A direct contradiction of the prior send, when they promised me there would be no issue and there wasn't.

What a joke!

I will try the next package with regular post, despite the lengthy journey to Chonburi Post Office. 

FYI In the interim, I had attempted contacting Abbott Laboratories in Thailand for a status update on their Libre 2 system, but their Diabetic department never answered the phone or replied to my left messages. I also contacted the main office in USA, who passed on my requests to them and asked them to respond, but they still did not.

In the US, I too used Accu chek, but here when I am out of CGM supplies thanks to Thai Customs ???? or finger checking, I use Gluneo via Lazada or SInocare via AliExpress. I have not had a problem with getting the latter despite being sent from China. Both have been fine for accuracy and are probably as cheap as anything out there.

I did investigate import license options for getting my CGM supplies and as noted by others, that's not happening as an individual.

Looks great Petey ???? What price have you agreed with the builder?

On 11/5/2020 at 8:14 PM, Yellowtail said:

 

Why would you enter into an agreement without an agreement? 

 

Are you renting from a friend? If so, don't. 

I'd only rented for 2 months originally, then extended for a month and the guy had been great. After that, said I would do another 6 months, when the realities of covid set in and all the travel limitations. Cheaper and safer just to stay put + fully trusted him.

You live and learn and certainly would never have done if I'd been signing for a year.

On 11/4/2020 at 12:51 AM, khunPer said:

What matters in Thailand is the law here, or the rental agreement one have with a landlord.

 

I mentioned that the conditions here appeared similar to what I'm used to from my Danish home country, but in real it doesn't matter what I'm used from home – or what anyone else are used to from their home countries – because it's what the Thai law says that matters, or a rental agreement, and only that.

 

The aircon is a difficult question to answer. I would presume it's an external unit. The aircon bungalow I rented – I had two, one with air, and one fan only, from two different owners – the landlord took care of the aircon maintenance, including coolant liquid and cleaning; the latter also included the two indoor units. If you have a written rental contract, it might be mentioned therein, what is the renter's responsibility, and if not then it's what the law says; i.e. "the hirer is bound to take as much care of the property hired as a person of ordinary prudence would take of his own property, and to do ordinary maintenance and petty repairs."

If I had a detailed rental contract/lease, I would not have asked the question originally. I simply wanted to know what the norm was here.

I am shocked that I could be responsible for repair of an old air conditioner through my normal usage and I am staggered that you might think that normal in the West. I know for sure, that would get laughed out of court in UK or USA.

That is outrageous.

On 11/1/2020 at 5:09 PM, khunPer said:

Your rental contract might state what you are liable for.

 

An English translation of the text of the Law is HERE.

 

In both my home country, and what I have rented here, the lessee is responsible for internal maintenance and any damages, whilst the lessor is responsible for external maintenance and damages (like for example a leaking roof).

 

If I see something worn out, I'll either immediately mention it, and ask if it can be changed, or just having it changed/change it myself – which is often the most convenient way to do things, and also make one's landlord happy – I for example managed to spoil an old fridge while defrosting it, and I bought a new of similar size and quality, and of course told the landlord I've done so; he was happy...????

Thank you for the link.

As I noted, I have been a landlord in the UK and USA for about 15 years, using standard rental contracts from the management companies who I work with. There I have been responsible for all internal fixtures and fittings, as well as of course anything to do with utility supply. So in the last few years, I have had to replace oven and microwaves which stopped working. Same as repainting and redecorating are 100% on me unless there has been vandalism. Your comment suggests otherwise for internal maintenance.

So are you saying that if the inside ac unit stops working in the condo here (not the compressor), that is down to me to replace?

1 hour ago, alacrity said:

Why more shocked? There's 'good' and not 'so good' landlords and tenants throughout the world. Your landlord  seems to belong in the second category. Although I doubt the sudden mass failure scenario, I'm sure a suitable compromise should have been possible.

 

If your statements are correct; dump the landlord, rental properties are hardly a scarcity these days. If not dump them anyway, as it's unlikely they would have your best interests at heart after your malignment.

I mistakenly thought there would be more familiarity with normal landlord responsibilities.

35 minutes ago, Grumpy one said:

Looks like replacing the hose yourself may have been the smarter option 

In hindsight, but despite doing a lot of fully inspected plumbing and electrical work in the US, I didn't want to be in any way liable should something happen on utility supply. I'd already installed a trap on the kitchen sink as unsurprisingly, I did not want sewer gas in the apartment, but there's no question of any problem with that.

Never guessed that he would make me liable  anyway. Of course I've done that now with a suitable stainless steel coated and interior braided hose.

5 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

What does your lease say ? It can be that the tenant is responsible for repairs in Thailand and there would be a clause in the lease that says as much.

 

Nothing stated

I've been a landlord in UK and US for close to 15 years, but decided to rent here as it seemed to make the most sense, but a recent experience has me questioning that.

One night while I slept, the toilet hose failed and a split developed. It was a cheap, old hose and the landlord should have replaced it some time ago. I always make it a point as a tenant to never change anything related to water or electric supply, as I don't want any liability issues.

However, in this case, despite the hose being an old, cheap substandard plastic hose with no interior or exterior protection, the landlord had me compensate the condo below from the water that seeped below. Thankfully, it was not a large sum. Despite telling the landlord that I thought that was 100% wrong, he kept with charging me.

I know if that happened in the UK or USA, as a landlord, I would be 100% liable for any damage caused and obviously I have insurance to cover such circumstances. I also make darn sure that everything is up to code and as reliable as possible.  I am also responsible for replacing any equipment that fails, such as ovens, microwaves or air conditioning units.

I'm now worried that Thailand operates differently and I could be liable for failings of my landlord to have such fittings not up to code or indeed anything that stops working through normal use. If that is the case, I clearly need to reconsider if renting is the best policy for me.

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

There's nothing on that link that says 12.8 days is the absolute maximum. One paper on there says that data from China shows a mean (average) incubation period from 1.8 to 12.8 days. 

 

Also, although the date on that paper itself may be more recent, it's actually a summary of older data, most of which is also from January to March.

 

One of the papers referenced on that link provides exactly the statistic I was talking about, as follows:

 

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32150748/

 

14 days is the gold standard today for a very good reason. Move on. Early facts especially from China are questionable. 

"The incubation period is believed to be a function of the initial infective dose, speed of replication of the pathogen within the host, and the host defense mechanisms.¹⁶ Estimation of the incubation period of a novel pathogen is vital for prevention and control; for example, to determine the appropriate duration of quarantine or observation of an exposed individuals.¹⁶ Different studies have revealed that the incubation period of SARS-CoV-2 varies across different countries; the incubation period ranges from 1.8 to 12.8 days (mean) in China, 4 days (median) in Singapore, 3.6 days (median) in South Korea, and 4.9 days (median) globally.^{17, 18, 19, 20, 21}"

In fact, this report states that 14 days is probably excessive, but it's there to ensure that there is virtually no chance of not picking up someone with the virus. Your quote of 99% at 14 days is not backed up. Here is the conclusion and as you note, this considered all available studies, including this early questionable one you quoted:

This meta-analysis revealed that the pooled mean incubation period of COVID-19 was 5.7 days (95% CI, 5.1–6.4). Hence, the current 14-day quarantine policy and contact-based surveillance protocol should be revised and shortened to 7 days, accompanied with longer passive monitoring to track potential asymptomatic positively skewed and false negative cases. In addition, the close contacts of confirmed case patients should be traced, quarantined, and tested starting 5 days before the onset of symptoms.