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On 11/25/2018 at 8:08 AM, CharlieH said:

The delay isnt the Thai end its clearing customs.

That can vary dramatically depending on where it lands. If it goes into LA or Chicago different to New York and so on. Thats luck of the draw on which flight it gets put on.

 

 Xmas increase in volumes will exacerbate the situation.

yes

4 hours ago, possum1931 said:

How very true, it is amazing how many deluded posters there are here who think the Thai government and Immigration are similar to most countries in the world with their visa rules.

Apart from the tourists with the 30 day exempt, who use that to come here for a two or three week holiday, they are very badly treated when they should be getting encouraged, especially the ones under fifty who want to stay in Thailand long term.

It's since the army cane to power only. They don't like westerners. This is nearly over patients 

if Future Foward come into power it will be abolished. It's purely a money scam. They target wealthy so they pay to avoid the sons service. A huge waste of the people's money and if you stay outside the country or family pays. You won't need to serve in dad's army.

2 hours ago, JLCrab said:

I'll withdraw the previous post.

 

Thai Immigration might require that you sign a statement to the effect that your "not less than" 65K deposit each month is "new" money each month and, if it could be shown that it isn't, you have now made a false statement to a Thai government official acting in his/her official capacity.

 

It was one thing to make a false statement to a say US vice consul on an income affidavit when you knew the chances of anything adverse happening were close to zero. It is another thing to make a false statement in what is actually a police station before someone who an arrest you on the spot.

Pensions are for life. Thais play games because there pensions are terrible.

If there not smart enough to realise this. Then there's a serious education problem in Thailand. Which means it's hurting government operations. Which hurts the overall income for Thailand. All due to cowboys being silly lol.

On 11/24/2018 at 5:14 PM, DrJack54 said:

Sounds like you had a nice experience. Just to add for bkk members...bkk imm also now require map of where you live. Seems this a new requirement at bkk. 

map gets filed along with all papers and never found again..The whole process is not worthy of Thailand 2.0. 

There dreaming about 4.0 lol..A map a joke. They all own phones 

1 minute ago, OJAS said:

I actually think that they used a pure figment of their imagination to form policy (based on monthly sighting of income in a Thai bank account)!

The last extension l did at Jomtien. She actually asked me the current exchange rate. And worked with that lol.

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Generally I would agree with the jest of your summary, except for the fact that the vast majority of guys I know, that were using the affidavit system, did not necessarily have the steady income to back up the statements. Therefore, they were less genuine. The perjury aspect is a minor one, in that I have never heard of either immigration of the home embassy prosecuting for that offense. 

It's 2018 l are from a AAA credit rating country..All my financials are accessible online.

lt makes no difference to me. This thread is going on and on. l will actually still get my documents witnessed and certified. No problem. Immigration can play there games it's all directed at Muppets with no know how.

1 minute ago, Robins said:

Good news but this should be coming from the main Immigration authority and cover all Immigration offices, not this one at a time nonsense.  

One of the major nightmares of dealing with bureaucracies here is that each office and sometimes each employee is allowed to make up their own rules and there is no avenue of appeal, as would be the case in our home countries.  

Case by case basis. Every client is a individual. Do your best don't be fooled by crap 

2 hours ago, pmarlin said:

The OP is a good warning to those who abuse the system.

LOL spare us the rant

Report these crooks to Big Joke. There scamming and should be fired. You can also talk. l talk always. Ask to record the interview to be transparent lol. Jokers

15 hours ago, darksidedog said:

“However, the foreigner applying for the visa (or permit-to-stay) will still have to prove that they have the funds to stay in the country, such as by showing bank statements that prove the foreigner has B800,000 in a Thai bank account,” he said.
Read more at https://www.thephuketnews.com/income-statement-letters-from-embassies-no-longer-required-confirms-phuket-immigration-69438.php#IZF5tP7cSx8GQ7b0.99

So is that the only option? What about the 65,000 a month? Is that no longer an option? It seems that if we want to stay we have to put money into banks that many of us dont fully trust. I feel somewhat betrayed by the Embassies. You can guarantee they will not be there in our corner if/when our cash has vanished.

I hope immigration can come up with much firmer details on what is and isn't acceptable before crunch time comes, as I can already hear the squeals of pain and outrage.

He can dribble all he likes. l don't listen to this crap. Especially from Phuket 

4 hours ago, tropo said:

It's great that you're so confident. I hope you're right, but the directive you posted predates a military coup by 1 year and most heads (if not all) of government departments have been changed. Despite this directive, regional offices still all do their own thing.  

New elections approaching 

watch draws will be cleared an hire suits returned.

Patients..

13 minutes ago, tropo said:

I would also like to see this directive you speak of. Even if you cannot put your hands on it could you please explain what is it about.

Pontius will be along shortly to lead you into the right direction. Give him time to gather the screenshots 

5 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

Agreed.  Will be a while before all the immigration offices sort out what the Headquarters expects, never mind how each office may understand and interpret things

Case by case basis. The problem is fraudulent use of the Embassy. They were not asking for proof of funds on paper and online. They will certify your documents if you are genuine.

10 minutes ago, tropo said:

I would also like to see this directive you speak of. Even if you cannot put your hands on it could you please explain what is it about.

l have plenty of idea. l aleady been to Jomtien and discussed the matter upstairs. Next year l will still obtain my extension. without the bank deposit. But due to travel l may not go that way. l have accepted a role based in Asia with the AU army.

We are all individuals. Some find it hard to grasp. 

1 hour ago, pontious said:

There is a directive from immigration. I cannot find it but Joe will probably publish it in a nano second. I would make a copy for file 13.

rubbish no directive

3 minutes ago, connda said:

There has always been significant inconsistency between Immigration districts, individual Immigration offices within the same district, and oft times between individual immigration officers within the same Immigration office.  Consistency has never been a hallmark of Thai Immigration.  If you've been here a decade you have no doubt experienced it first hand - (if not, can I have your passport number as I'd like to buy some lottery tickets).  So based on past experiences, I would not expect to see an 'official policy' on immigration letters uniformly applied across all offices.  That's just an unfortunate fact of life of living here.  You learn to roll with the punches. 

They all knos little and all operate as individual private offices. It's a hit and miss operation

5 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Tgarrett, I understand your concerns, but please I urge you not get all stressed about this.

 

Thai Immigration is just like any other bureaucracy, throughout the world (and I've dealt with a lot of them!) that operates a 'top down' information system. It should be no surprise to anyone that those officers working at the 'coal face' are not yet aware of the ramifications of the changes that are taking place right now.

 

As of last night, there is one reasonably reliable report of a successful extension using income without having an income letter (in Mukdahan) and no reports of anyone being denied an extension.

 

You're one of the lucky ones. You have whole year yet before your next extension is due. I am quite sure that by then everything will have been sorted out.

 

 

 

Relax and enjoy your retirement.

 

ML

 

 

Yes l just did one and will again next year to

15 hours ago, sotsira said:

This seems to be a catch 22 scenario where by the Thai Immigration have initiated with the request to the relevant embassies to verify the source of income.

Where up until know the protocol was that each embassy had their own methods to provide income letters.

 

So in summary, Thai immigration haven't changed their policy regarding income letters, it's just that the additional proof of source requirement laid out to the embassies has caused the

current problem by them rejecting to issue them. 

Correct they would need to really work checking which is terrible lol. Every person has different circumstances Some twits some smart. Embassy took high ground. But it's a case by case basis. For me anyway.

Keep punching

15 hours ago, sotsira said:

This seems to be a catch 22 scenario where by the Thai Immigration have initiated with the request to the relevant embassies to verify the source of income.

Where up until know the protocol was that each embassy had their own methods to provide income letters.

 

So in summary, Thai immigration haven't changed their policy regarding income letters, it's just that the additional proof of source requirement laid out to the embassies has caused the

current problem by them rejecting to issue them. 

My immigration office is co operating with my certified documents next year. So it seems it actually is the Embassy in the end. But with some push from Thai officials. Due to scammers 

22 hours ago, Chicken George said:

you need to do a TM 30 or face the fine. 

 

in 7 years l have never done this honestly. Never been questioned. it's all bullshit. 

On 11/17/2018 at 12:54 AM, bbi1 said:

Nothing to do, just go back to your condo and return living your life here and keep studying.

Yes non o visa holders report on arrival. l never go to IMO

On 11/16/2018 at 9:19 PM, marcusarelus said:

They understand the benefits of living in Thailand and don't need a visa.

it's harder getting a marriage extension lol

3 hours ago, Moonlover said:

The British embassy has publicly said that the Thai Immigration have stated that 'income based applications using evidence of Thai bank credits' can be used. And both the British and the US embassies have stated that they will work with Thai Immigration during the transition period to minimize confusion. What more do you want?

 

When someone can come forward and claim that they have been refused an extension by the income method without the embassy letter then you will have due cause to show concern.

 

Until then you're just pointing at the moon and claiming that it's going to fall.

Yes it's not a huge issue just a game changer by incompetents 

On 11/13/2018 at 5:22 PM, KhunFred said:

I got a verified letter from Social Security stating the income that i would get monthly for life. The letter is available online if you belong to Social Security Dot Gov. There is a link on the page called "My Social Security" where you can get the letter and print it out, Also, it will tell when your next payment is due to be deposited. This part of the site also has a rundown of each year's earning.  I can't speak for other states, but Alabama's retirement system issues statements similar to Social Security's 1099 statement. It is difficult for me to believe that such government generated "Proof of income" would be rejected as evidence, then I remember that I am in Thailand. The delay on this issue is giving Visa hucksters plenty . of time to commit theft by charging hapless farang between 650 and 950 dollars to get you an extension or a Non-Immigrant "O" based on marriage to a Thai. I have a bad feeling that once agents with I-O connections, get a taste of a great payday, that there is no reason to think that system will change. NO ONE is advocating for farang retirees such as the AARP in America and groups such as the  Alabama Education Association. Both those organizations wield a good deal of power, because they represent their  constituents effectively. There is strength in numbers.

Correct thank you and this can be certified by my embassy anyway. Some will disagree but who cares lol