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15 minutes ago, Selatan said:
please comment on the Hungarian Pfizer deaths. Maybe you want to say that's fake too.
No, because I do not comment on biased off topic propaganda.
"Accurate conclusions cannot be drawn from the table since it ignores multiple conditions that would level the playing field of its variables, and allow for the valid comparison of vaccine types."
"This post coincides with the government’s huge Sinopharm-campaign"
Nice try though:D
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Just now, gearbox said:
At least the Indonesians published something, UK is dead silent. There were reports for 50 deaths of fully vaccinated people infected with the Delta variant a while ago.
I guess you missed this bit. Some people only see what they want to see.
"“real-world” analysis of 14,019 cases of the Delta variant in the UK, released by Public Health England in June, found the BioNTech/Pfizer and Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines were, respectively, 96 per cent and 92 per cent effective against hospitalisation after two doses."
https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5
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10 minutes ago, Selatan said:
No, not really showing a news article from February about a delivery proves nothing.
10 minutes ago, Selatan said:Why the hesitancy in commenting on the Hungarian Pfizer deaths?
Because you are clearly travelling around the world trying to find stories from dubious sources that fit your pro-Sinovac narrative. Whilst ignoring the deaths and hospitalisations of healthcare workers in Indonesia.
Now that is embarrassing and also off topic.
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8 minutes ago, Selatan said:
It's ok not to believe me that they were mostly vaccinated with Pfizer's vaccine.
You claim so, but the source you provide doesn't mention which vaccine they were given.
Also even if they were all Pfizer vaccines (which is not stated) the statistics show (in your own quoted article) that the vast majority of cases were asymptomatic with a few of the healthcare workers developing mild symptoms.
When compared to what happened to the Sinovac vaccinated healthcare workers in Indonesia that are dying and being hospitalised there is a clearly big difference, so it's clear whatever vaccine the healthcare workers in Malaysia had it was far superior to the Chinese stuff.
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13 minutes ago, Selatan said:
Trust me, I'm a Malaysian
I trust that you are Malaysian and judging by your stance I can imagine your heritage. I can't trust you though I need facts not conspiracies.
13 minutes ago, Selatan said:I believe that the number of serious cases and deaths among the vaccinated were downplayed because there were rumours that some front-liners in Malaysia have died.
Rumours are not facts.
13 minutes ago, Selatan said:Anyway, you don't have to believe me.
I don't. The statistics do not fit what you are claiming.
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Just now, The Hammer2021 said:
Across the board it is efficacious
It's just not though. Look at Indonesia
1 minute ago, The Hammer2021 said:it was a stop gap measure until further developments and this was always known and told to me by my Thai Dr. Get what you can as soon as you can and choose more selectively as soon as you can...October..
But why though? they could have joined COVAX and got plenty of more effective mRNA vaccines instead of the ineffective Chinese one's but they refused to join COVAX there is more to this decision than meets the eye.
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5 minutes ago, Selatan said:
Pfizer's vaccine, which most Malaysian healthcare workers were vaccinated with, also not doing that well:
2,341 fully vaccinated healthcare workers contracted Covid-19Looks like all the current vaccines may need boosters or add-ons.
Just read the article there is literally no mention of Pfizer in the article it just mentions vaccinated healthcare workers and it looks like they weren't hospitalised or dying like the Indonesian Doctors that took Sinovac :
Quote from your article
"Out of the total number of healthcare workers who contracted the virus after being fully vaccinated, 778 cases were Category 1 (asymptomatic) while 1,559 cases were Category 2 (mild symptoms) patients."
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20 minutes ago, Sametboy2019 said:
Reports coming out from Israel about effiency of pzizer against the Delta variant and even reports of only lasting 6 months
"analysis of 14,019 cases of the Delta variant in the UK, released by Public Health England in June, found the BioNTech/Pfizer and Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines were, respectively, 96 per cent and 92 per cent effective against hospitalisation after two doses"
https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5
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3 hours ago, gearbox said:
Sinovac is good vaccine
The sick and dead Indonesian Doctors would disagree with you.
"JAKARTA (Reuters) -- More than 350 Indonesian doctors have contracted COVID-19 despite being vaccinated with Sinovac, and dozens have been hospitalized, officials said, as concerns rise about the efficacy of some vaccines against more virulent virus strains."
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7 hours ago, internationalism said:
No point dismissing sinovac.
so far thailand has some 30mln sinovac and 1.5mln pfizer - probably all, bar 10% for foreigners, should go for medics and health volunteers.
Giving Sinovac to Doctors in Indonesia didn't go so well.
"JAKARTA (Reuters) -- More than 350 Indonesian doctors have contracted COVID-19 despite being vaccinated with Sinovac, and dozens have been hospitalized, officials said, as concerns rise about the efficacy of some vaccines against more virulent virus strains.
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Just now, placeholder said:
Not ineffective. less effective. No one denies that AZ and Biontech, and probably Moderna are less effective. But once again, there's a huge difference between "less effective" and "ineffective".
Omg I just liked and agreed with 2 of your posts placeholder? what is happening here?:D
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20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
My Thai wife was adamant she did not want to take Sinovac but there was nothing else available at the time here in Phuket, that was a few weeks ago. I persuaded her to go ahead as it was better than nothing, that was before the delta variant was so prominent. With hindsight I wish I had told her to wait as AZ was available shortly after.
It's a sad situation, hopefully she can get a booster of AZ it seems like that may be an option but she may need to wait a while before getting it, my Thai lady also refused Sinovac and had her first AZ shot yesterday at her own expense, she and all of her friends as well as most of the Thai people have zero trust in the Chinese stuff from what I'm hearing and seeing.
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2 hours ago, NanLaew said:
People are getting sucked into these thinly disguised vaccine nationalism and vaccine politics debates masquerading as science. I guess that's what happens when there's not enough vaccines of any sort available and the stressed out and unvaccinated have nothing better to do than wade through tomes of dross on the internet, clutching at straws and creating their own, totally groundless pearls of wisdom.
I guess you missed headlines about the Thai doctors complaining that "enough is enough" and demanding mRNA vaccines in preparedness for the DELTA variant? along with the quarter of a million signatures from Thai people demanding mRNA vaccines on change.org? and the 9 million Thai people that have registered for mRNA jabs? at huge personal cost to themselves rather than take the Chinese stuff for free?
This is not about vaccine nationalism, this is about the Thai people making their own science based, well informed decisions based upon studies conducted by their own experts, in preparedness for the inevitable incoming wave of the DELTA variant, they are deciding what they want injected into their OWN bodies, which is their human right.
This is not clutching at straws, it is the Thai people deciding what is best for them, to suggest otherwise is to insult the Thai peoples intelligence and comes across as dismissive and patronising.
It would seem the Thai people do not trust or want Sinovac and their mistrust is not groundless to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
Check the headline of the topic you are commenting on.
Thank you.
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2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
Deflection number 2
2 is being generous you should check out the other threads:D
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1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:
You’ve conveniently missed out a detail - vaccine availably
They should have signed up for COVAX that's the point and why the Thai's are so angry.
Glad to hear you got your Pfizer jab, lets hope the Thai people can get a jab they want also.
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8 minutes ago, Sheryl said:
I don't think they automatically quarantined everyon on his flight. It was not detected on arrival testing but at the second test. By which time everyone else on same flight would also be having their second test. And apparently none of them tested positive.
Richard Barrow has reported that everyone that was on the flight was quarantined and not only that but they are being forced to pay for quarantine.
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2 minutes ago, gearbox said:
If not vaccinated only PCR test is needed, no quarantine required.
So that suggests that any Thai / foreigner entering Phuket from the mainland will only get on the island if they are covid negative right? and the foreigners on flights will either be negative or quarantined.
4 minutes ago, placeholder said:Because he was infected.
Yeh I got that part.
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1 minute ago, placeholder said:
It depends on what you mean by "efficacious" Efficacious against transmission? Efficacious against the development of serious symptoms? Efficacious against death?
You don't know the efficacy for any of these scenarios against the delta variant.
So this is just another pointless post.
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2 minutes ago, Sheryl said:
If you are referring to Phuket, the incoming tourist have not all had a "western" vaccine. Tourists are allowed in with Sinopharm or Sinovac vaccination and the rules currently make no distinction between these and those who got Pfizer etc. The recent case of a Phuket tourist who tested positive on 2nd test was someone from UAE who had received Sinopharm.
Wasn't he immediately quarantined along with everyone else on that flight?
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3 minutes ago, gearbox said:
The delta will arrive internally
How if they are being quarantined on arrival if they test positive? sorry but you guys make no sense at all.
Unless you are telling me the Thai government are literally going to import delta from the mainland into Phuket on purpose to test Sinovac ?
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10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
Absolutely, the officials will have it all and will no doubt be carrying that study out, if they were not then they are missing a good opportunity. However until the data is released for us to judge any outcome based on either Sinovac or AZ is impossible.
I'm all for studies but I can't help wondering how an island full of tourists that have taken double doses (of various different western vaccines) that have been triple tested (and proved negative or quarantined on arrival) on a sealed off island will tell us anything about the efficacy of Sinovac?
Maybe I'm missing something but doesn't make any sense to me? Maybe someone can enlighten me?
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4 minutes ago, placeholder said:
I assume someone has all that data.
Sounds perfect:D
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10 minutes ago, placeholder said:
You honestly believe that there is no delta variant on the island already? events have already proved that not to be the case.
Irrelevant, my point is it is far from "as perfect as a natural experiment can be" quite the opposite in fact it's a completely unnatural environment to conduct a study on the effectiveness of a vaccine.
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Just now, placeholder said:
Did you not read the part where I wrote "Given that you have a resident population of at least 400,000 that's plenty big for a valid study to compare mortality and serious symptoms."
Yes but they will only be mixing with fully double vaccinated tourists on a closed of island how is that " perfect as a natural experiment can be" as you stated?
Thai study finds 2 doses of Sinovac can’t beat Delta variant, AstraZeneca can
in Thailand News
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“real-world” analysis of 14,019 cases of the Delta variant in the UK, released by Public Health England in June, found the BioNTech/Pfizer and Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines were, respectively, 96 per cent and 92 per cent effective against hospitalisation after two doses."
What I posted is an analysis by Public Health England not FT.