misterjames

4 minutes ago, gearbox said:

You can look at it as a cocktail. Take for example Bloody Mary. Neither the vodka or the tomato juice are that good to drink separately, but when mixed, the mix becomes very drinkable.

Yeh but saying Sinovac is superior because it works when mixed with AZ is like saying tomato juice is the a superior alcoholic drink to vodka:D

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Only clinical results can establish that. And Phuket is as nearly perfect as a natural experiment can be to ascertain that.

You think having a load of double vaccinated (triple tested) travellers on a quarantined island is the perfect experiment to study the effectiveness of a vaccine? That's a joke surely?

3 minutes ago, rabas said:

Lol, not a balanced study if they isolate the test group, and heavily expose the control group to all the bad strains in Bangkok. 

 

Of course, people in isolation will have far few infections.

 

Exactly the only people visiting Phuket will be people that have been double vaccinated and tested many times, how this poster thinks this will prove anything is beyond me.

6 minutes ago, Nojohndoe said:

If as being claimed as so it exacerbates the  very real level of calamity that is likely to occur now.

Some of us saw it coming a while back and warned about it, it's not elation it's vindication.

6 minutes ago, Nojohndoe said:

while others have hoarded excesses of purportedly better vaccine approaching past use by date ! .

AZ lasts 6 months when stored in a refrigerator and it was Thailand that refused to join COVAX don't try and blame the west for that.

5 minutes ago, gearbox said:

That what the docs essentially say in the "study" you enthusiastically embrace. 2 X Sinovac plus 1 X AZ is the best of the best under the sun 555.

Even if it were proven that it was 100% effective if mixed with a quality vaccine it still doesn't make Sinovac "superior" as the other poster suggested. 

That is laugable:D

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I guess it could be the case. If that were so, then it would actually be superior to the mRNA vaccines or anything else. At least as far as the Delta variant goes. Which, oddly enough, would amount to an endorsement of Sinovac's use provided it was followed with Astrazeneca. For the time being, I'm going to remain sceptical. 

Here we go again lol how is adding a dose of an effective vaccine (AZ in this case) to an ineffective vaccine (Sinovac) an endorsement for Sinovac? 

That's like saying bad quality paint is superior if you paint over it with some good quality paint:D

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Which is why they keep on buying more of it?

It doesn't take Detective Poirot to work out why.

8 minutes ago, connda said:

^{"But, you won't die.....maybe!"}

Actually nearly a quarter of the time you do with Sinovac even with the original strain.

Let alone the delta variant.

That much is known.

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/immunization/sage/2021/april/5_sage29apr2021_critical-evidence_sinovac.pdf

17 hours ago, placeholder said:

And the information about the Delta variant vs Sinovac is still sketchy. From what little I've been able to find, apparently, the critical care beds in Phuket aren't being overwhelmed with patients ill from Covid. And since vaccinations began in Phuket in April, the odds are that most of the people there who have been vaccinated, have been vaccinated with Coronavac.

This post should finally help you understand what I have been trying to explain all along.

28 minutes ago, anterian said:

I'm surprised there is anything left to close down.

 

That's what I was thinking talk about closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And the information about the Delta variant vs Sinovac is still sketchy. From what little I've been able to find, apparently, the critical care beds in Phuket aren't being overwhelmed with patients ill from Covid. And since vaccinations began in Phuket in April, the odds are that most of the people there who have been vaccinated, have been vaccinated with Coronavac.

You still haven't read and understood the original post and what the doctors are saying have you? If you had read the original post you would understand that what your saying makes zero sense in context with what they are saying.

I can't read it for you, but I can tell you they state very clearly that they want mRNA vaccines in preparedness for the DELTA VARIANT.

Just now, billd766 said:

I do understand, but I was trying to lighten the thread a little.

 

There seems to be a lot of doom and gloom on TVF nowadays.

You did make me chuckle because it was the first thing I thought of after I posted it haha I thought to myself mm someone's gonna point out that there's corruption everywhere in some form or another. I should have said "a country with medical integrity" or something.

Yeh we live in strange times it is a bit gloomy lately perhaps they should do some posts about the fact that the ozone layer has recovered:D but I guess that doesn't make headlines.

Just now, billd766 said:

I would have just given you a like, but I have been racking my brains trying to think of a country that is not corrupt in one way or another.

I knew someone was going to say that and I can't disagree with you on that but what I mean is a country that is not gonna take bribes to falsify results for the Chinese. 

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Is the Thai govt having a problem finding Thais willing to be vaccinated with it?

Well nearly quarter of a million signatures on change.org from Thai people would suggest they are. Also looking at my facebook timeline the overall impression I'm getting is that none of the Thai's want it and are outraged.

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I have no doubt that most Thais would prefer mRNA vaccines. 

Agreed.

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

it doesn't look like Sinovac is going to do much to stop transmission.

I agree with you here too.

19 minutes ago, HaoleBoy said:

announced the donation of 500 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines to the world’s poorest countries

Thailand is one of the "poorest countries"?  With one of the richest person / family in the world (not a private citizen) that isn't helping out ... 

Actually Thailand is richer than China GDP per capita.. Shhh the CCP don't like people talking about this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

1 minute ago, impulse said:

It would have been nice had Thailand ordered enough of "the good stuff".   But they didn't.  And if they order it now, thousands of people will die waiting for it.  Sinovac, though not the best, would save hundreds, maybe even thousands of them.

This is why the people are angry they should have ordered the better stuff to begin with as you say instead of cosying up to the Chinese.

Ultimately the Thai people don't want Sinovac that much is clear and if they choose not to put it into their body that's their choice, it's not their fault that the powers that be ordered tons of Sinovac that the people don't want is it?