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@Yumthai @NoDisplayName@petermik @Ben Zioner All very helpful. Thanks! Somewhat disconcerting situation altogether. To the best of my understanding, neither my transfers nor my local dividends (that has been taxed, and I seek no refunds/deductions), are assessable. What has been somewhat unclear to me, and what I essentially tried to settle today, is if it is an obligation to file altogether if no taxes are owned. The coming two weeks I'll try to get a better understanding if I need to file at all. I appreciate that link. If we assume Sherrings is correct here, that pretty much settles it. https://sherrings.com/dividend-income-personal-income-tax-thailand.html

Hi, Tax Situation: - Became a Tax Resident according to the 180 day rule late 2023 - Transferred a 8 digit number to acquire a condo in early 2024 - Said sum existed, and had been taxed, in 'home country' bank account and brokerage account pre-2024 (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 etc.) - The only income in 2024 is dividends from Thai companies, held in a Thai brokerage - and which withholding tax has already been deducted From my understanding, there's no assessable income here. (there seems to be contradicting info: if the transfers are sizable enough, they need to be disclosed regardless earned pre-2024?) Anyhow. Went to the Tax Office today, in Jomtien (Chonburi). I was immediately asked for my banking statements to even process my filing or getting a TIN. She kept hitting this subject, aggressively so, about my banking statements for 2024. Furthermore, she asked if I owned property that I rent out - and if I traded crypto. Hadn't mentioned any of it. Very uncomfortable setting. Essentially, my experience mirrored the most cynical and satirical approach created on this forum. As I didn't have the banking statements printed (nor wanted to show them), the meeting was over. I'm now left with two options: - Not file at all. - Produce end-of-year banking & brokerage statements from my home country and hope that would be sufficient. My hesitation is rather large right now, after the meeting today.

Correct, I wrote too quickly. 10% has been withheld.

I had a look at the filing template - link: https://www.rd.go.th/fileadmin/download/english_form/2023/220367PIT90.pdf Circumstances: - Became a Tax Resident mid-2024 - Transferred xxx-sum in 2024 that was earned pre-2024 from my home country. Can proof end-of-year balance over this sum for 2020, 2021, 2022 & 2023 if necessary - Own a local thai brokerage account and received 200k in dividends from a Thai company - of which 15% immediately was taxed as per withholding tax. I'll ask for a TIN. If asked why, I'll say I became a tax resident last year and that I had dividend income throughout the year. From my point of view, my international transfers are not assessable and thus I will not bring them up or declare them when I file. I'll file that dividend has been received and taxed already. Complete? My "issue" is that - my remittance is not assessable (in my POV) and I don't want to bring it up, and "fight" that issue. Secondly, from my reading of the filing template dividends should only be filed if I want to deduct the already paid withholding tax with an income (an income which I don't have). My rather large remittance last year was to a condo purchase, and even though I can proof it as taxed pre-2024 I can't let go of the notion that the guy at the RD that will handle my application - would tax me a silly sum just out of convenience.

Bless! And in regards to be able to file online, I first need to apply for a TIN at my local RD office (and have a local ID, as well?).?

Anyone that has recently filed, where you forced to attach bank statements showing incoming international transfers - or was it purely self assessment?

A bit out of the loop here. All remittances done in 2024 in the clear?

Appreciate it. Unfortunately, the funds were withdrawn from my broker mid January and transferred immediately. I'll ponder on this. Thanks!

Not expecting advice, but I'd appreciate your feedback on my situation: I transferred approximately 10m THB to my Thai bank in January 2024. All those funds came from my local bank back home, and have been taxed for already (via investing in equites and the such). The purpose for the transfer is probably not relevant for the RD, but I'm disclosing it here for context: purchase of condominium. Even though I earned this sum prior to 2024, and could produce documents to show it, I'm somewhat "scared" to file a 10 million remittance to Thailand - and then claim it non-assessable (from my understanding here, isn't really a viable option on the filing docs just yet). I'm afraid that they will be unable to properly understand my local docs, or interpret them to my disadvantage. Perhaps a controversial take, but, I'm probably going the route of not filing at all.

Very clear! Appreciate it. From memory, the symbol I've attached below indicates that the shop/center is able to renew road tax (and make inspections and other things). Is it your understand that they can sell a "new" road tax sticker as well? Would save me a trip out to the DLT.

Hi fellas, I acquired Bike Insurance + "Compulsory Insurance" via Roojai and received, essentially, two different documents: 1 x Class 1 Bike Insurance @ ~3500 THB 1 x "Compulsory Insurance" @ ~650 THB Is the second one what's commonly called "road tax" (or similar)? I've not received any of those pink stickers and I wasn't sure if it was needed when I applied online, or if I simply acquired the wrong insurance. Thanks!

I'm currently on the Elite and I've been contemplating the LTR just to not face tax on remittances. Is it still the case that my transfers are exempt, on the LTR? Follow up Q.: anyone else on the Elite that have also acquired the LTR? Any immediate Pros/Cons? Thanks!

That's a misrepresentation of what I said. Of course records are being kept. What I am saying is that TRD staff doesn't have a list of every unique TINs international transfers (incoming and outgoing) as we speak, and using that as a basis to send out tax records. Could you enlighten me in which country this is a standard? What they have, however, is what I previously stated and you just confirmed: interest paid, dividends paid, year of end balance etc. I've reached out to all my previous colleagues: no one have heard of any country that have RDs that use incoming/outgoing international transfers as a basis on the annual tax declarations.

I sincerely doubt that TRD have any - and I mean any - remittances on their computers as we speak. We're talking about million of transfers per week into Thailand from abroad. If you look at CRS reporting, which Thai financial institutions now have implemented, the TRD gets: - End of year balance - Dividends & interest received - Investments (equity, bonds, mutual funds etc.) transactions I've worked in banking for a decade and I know not only my country's system very well: I know the adjacent countrys system as well. As per standard - international incoming or outgoing transfers are not reported to the RD. If the activity is suspicious or if the client is under investigation - it can be requested by the appropriate government agencies. I know of no country where the RD receives the clients incoming and outgoing international transfers on their final tax assessment. Happy to be corrected of which countrys that do.

Since the law has been in place for a long time now, and you strongly believe 2025 (i.e. today) will be the year of first rigid enforcement, when will the tax agents start to sending out the deferred tax liabilities? Is it your opinion that a progressive income tax on international remittances, on top of the stamp/transfer tax on the unit, will attract "more wealthy"? Are we even having a serious conversation here?

Do you have some reading disability of sorts? You're essentially rehashing several of my points.

What makes you say I've quoted 2023 information? This is 2024 9M (Jan-Sep) as explicitly stated in my text. I don't understand why have to be condescending to my "argument". Nevertheless, yes - it's my best and current opinion that - at this moment - Thailand will not conduct a tax offensive on foreigners in Thailand. It's my best and current opinion, at this moment, that the law will be used to catch the big fish that transfers +20m up annually (thais & foreigners) and/or a law that will be used whenever they want it to be used: as with minority shareholders in "companies" that own houses and normal businesses. Which is not allowed by the law, but goes around everywhere to everyones knowledge. However, when the police or the government want to oust someone - they cancel and confiscate said "company". 5 or 10 years out, perhaps something more efficient and far better communicated to residents and long term tourists. Judging by your language, your on the opposite side of this take I supposed? Well, I'm only quoting the minister about the 49% or 60% ownership - so I'll not engage in an argument there.

In the first nine months of the year, foreigners acquired condominiums in Thailand for a total of 51 billion Thai baht, with an average unit price of approximately 4.6 million baht. Foreign buyers account for 20-25% of the total condominium purchase volume nationwide, making them a significant—arguably essential—group for sustaining the overall market. While discussing these statistics, the minister reiterated that the relaxation of ownership quota rules is under consideration, emphasizing their intention to attract increased foreign investment into the Thai real estate market. As you’re all aware, every condominium purchase requires an international FX transfer document to be presented at the land office. It is estimated that 70-80 billion Thai baht will flow into Thailand through such transactions in 2024 alone. For those who believe in "realpolitik," one might argue that it will not only be administratively cumbersome to audit these buyers, determine whether they are tax residents, and calculate their tax liabilities for these transfers but also counterproductive to the government's goal of encouraging foreign investment.

Essentially all societies (Europe, Japan, Canada, Korea, etc.) that have built a rigid social safety net (healthcare, education, elderly care, etc.) tax fixed assets as it's impossible to move and low administration to tax. Also, since it's an actual piece of the land in the aforementioned country it also makes sense on a philosophical level. To continue not taxing fixed assets, and to continue only taxing 4 out of 37 million working people - just to make it all up by the very burdensome route of taxing foreigners international transfers just doesn't make any sense to me. That's why I believe either this will be a "nothingburger" (i.e. self reporting with very few controls) or an absolute smash to Thailand as an expat destination. Rest assured, not a single Russian, Chinese or Indian (their 3 top tourists) will self report any tax on international transfers this coming spring. Not one.

Somewhat interesting stats this morning from Maybank: Of 37 million employed approx. only 4 million pay tax. Furthermore, the real estate tax here is only symbolic in nature and almost doesn't contribute to the total revenue. These are two low hanging fruits, in my opinion, rather than going on a convoluted chase of foreigners international transfers.

Talked to a local realtor that has been making decent to good money the last years: business slowed down somewhat earlier this year and the remittance tax was said the reason by the customers; now the market has come to an halt. She tells me that 80-90% of customers enticed to buy use the remittance tax to not go ahead.

That's very helpful. I'll contact Wise and see if they can provide me with documents to verify it has indeed been international transfers. Also, I'll visit my Bangkok Bank branch and see if they can produce the aforementioned letter; most reasonably I can't be the only one in this situation. Thanks all!

Good news! A small follow-up: are Wise transfers considered international transfers? Obviously I'm the clown here, not making proper arrangements and research before transferring.

Which are the "Government Hospitals" in Pattaya? Genuinely want to understand how I can identify if it's public/private.

Hi, I've made a couple of transfers to Thailand this year - not a single big one - and I wonder if the bank would still be able to create a Bank Letter of the aforementioned transfers that the Land Office accepts? The first unit I was about to buy earlier this year fell through, and the second unit I'm about to buy is somewhat more expensive. All in all three (3) transfers. It would save me a decent buck if I wasn't forced to FX it out of the country, and then FX it back again. Bless.