BobBKK

3 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

Yea, that's just one of Trump's (and the NRA's) asinine suggestions. There are a slew of reasons why arming teachers is a stupid and dangerous idea.  I would list them here, but don't want to hog too much space on this blog.

 

Probably not another civil (civilian) war, but similar.  Redneck gun huggers would band together in unregulated militias and shoot to kill - if they suspected any folks were trying to disarm them.  Everyone agrees to that, even the '....cold dead fingers' crowd.   As to how severely the problem would escalate, we don't know, but the US is headed in that direction.  No one should doubt that gun-addicts look forward to massive killing sprees which could ensue.  They fantasize about that daily, just as they fantasize about blowing the head off a brown skin kid who happens to try to pry open a window to enter their trailer.

 

 

Without wishing to add to your deflection of the thread but most people would want to defend their property and I have ZERO sympathy for anyone who get's hurt trying to enter someone else's property whether they be black, brown, yellow or pink.

Back on-topic I hope Trump introduces sensible controls and the NRA can go stick their 'cold dead fingers' where the sun don't shine.

27 minutes ago, notamember said:

James247360

i recommend Robert Denham at East Coast Real Estate

http://www.thaiproperty.com

They are one of Pattaya's original Realtors, been around for 20+ years

Robert has many, many condos in his portfolio and is a hard working agent whether buying or selling

 

 

 

Martin at the same company is good too. I recommend East Coast too.

10 hours ago, stevenl said:

You don't know if he followed SOP or not, the only source for that is the sheriff, who has made some hindsight comments.

Was he informed of the 'SOP'?

That's not true not just the Sheriff please do your research. He was suspended WITHOUT PAY and if he followed SOP's that would not have happened. WITH pay maybe while they investigated but it's SOP to suspend WITHOUT PAY when it's obvious wrong doing has occurred and he RESIGNED rather than face that investigation. If he was right then stay and fight the suspension and save reputation. 

On 2/23/2018 at 5:11 PM, impulse said:

 

We don't have a clue why he resigned.  It may have been a backroom deal to save his pension (and the Sheriff's job).  It may be because he was so traumatized by what happened.  It may be because his wife gave him an ultimatum when she realized that he could have been killed.  It may have been the trigger for him to start that landscaping business he's been dreaming about for the last 10 years.

 

He was suspended without pay. After a long career in senior roles I can assure you the 'without pay' bit is CRUCIAL. They will try and protect him (and the dept.) a bit, as he fell on his sword, by not releasing the video of him cowering with his gun behind a car as kids died.

18 minutes ago, mentalcolonization said:

Its a crime that he has to pay for. seeing all the advice, i realize many people don't follow the law in Thailand 

You mean it's against the archaic law here? yes you are right but it's an absurdity that any government should tell it's citizens what to smoke.

Demeans the political argument to discuss someones physical characteristics, race, gender or anything like that. Yes he brought it up as a self-deprecating 'joke' but still 'it evidently annoys him' is not fair comment. Let's stick to the real issues and the nightmare and find a decent candidate to challenge but I do so admire his two fingers to the PC world.

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Where have I said that prostitution is wrong ?

If one of the houses in your village burned down and family lost everything , would you feel that its perfectly acceptable to offer to "give" the Family 1000 Baht , as long as they allowed to have have sex with their daughter ? 

In the village close to me there are no daughters I'm sorry to say. But I do have a little list of where some are:

• uni
• have job in bank or some such respectable place away from said village 
• with bf/gik or as a mia noi (which in Thai terms is also classed as 'respectable' - Thai style)
• with Thai husband after being banged up
• with old farang for 'love' (of course)
• BKK/Pattaya all working as 'waitresses' (none in the bar of course Tsk! Tsk!)

But if the house did burn down and I went to find their daughter I think the going rate is a little more than 1,000 these day's.

Of course the NLA made the decision entirely without interference and, because they did so strictly independently, the Junta has decided they can keep their jobs.

17 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

What else would you call entering a building ALONE when there are an unknown number of gunmen, and all you know is that they're better armed than you are and they're willing to kill?  

 

 

Yes you are right better to ignore you're the school policeman, armed and trained just for this moment and wait until the shooting stops. Then, when it's all over, and you are suspended (for doing the right thing), you can resign and throw your career away for no reason at all.

19 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said:

Until the procedures that govern his duties are published, everybody's guessing. I'd guess he acted correctly, in an uncertain situation, call for backup.

That he resigned means nothing until facts are known. Then, and only then, can the Monday morning quarterbacks run off at the mouth.....IF they were right.

Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

No one gets suspended then resigns if they have followed SOP and acted correctly and you know it. 

5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I was giving a possible example .

The men were there to provide aid , its quite possible that the girls were forced into prostitution in exchange for aid .

   

If there is any evidence of an Oxfam aid worker saying   "do this and I'll give you an aid package" that is blackmail and a different thing entirely but you don't know this happened you just wonder if it did. 

If, more likely, the guys just went to the local bar and selected a girl (a la Thai style) why the indignation? Who they work for is irrelevant in my view.

Just now, impulse said:

  

That refers to hand to hand close combat.  Not charging a semi-automatic weapon- especially if you don't know how many there are.

 

Well we don't know that. What we do know is that he didn't carry out SOP's and was suspended then, knowing what was coming, resigned. No one talks of 'charging' anything he hid outside while the kids died.

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

The people who collect money and who work for free in their shops to help people from poor Countries and the people who make donations , wouldnt want that money spent on prostitutes .

   Also , theres the probability that they paid  "non prostitutes" for sex , a poor hungry homeless 18 year old girl  "Drop by to my office at 5 PM sweetie , after work and I will take you out for a meal , as long as you have sex with me" kind of thing

It's not 'their' money the people earned it through salary and it is theirs to spend on what they like.  Please reevaluate your 'righteous' approach and as for the 18 year old is there any proof of this type of exchange?

A 'friend' meets 18 years olds in bars all over Thailand are they in the same category?  I see nothing wrong in my friend paying an 18 year old and getting some humpy bumpy in exchange. This is more about YOUR personal views than any sin committed by these guys. Next time you donate to a charity get them to sign a 'no-sex' pledge.

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

The Sheriff's a butthole?...  Keep in mind Sheriff is often an elected position, and he's probably pandering for votes by throwing this guy under a bus.

 

LEO training doesn't prepare anyone to charge at a shooter.  That takes military indoctrination.

 

https://www.lawenforcementedu.net/deputy-sheriff/become-deputy-sheriff/

close combat training +++

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

If it's SOP, why was he about to be suspended without pay? And why has the Sheriff been so critical?

And why did he RESIGN before a hearing could be held?  and, more importantly, the Sheriff was hinting that the CCTV he has of this deputy 'can never be released' (i.e. hinting it shows him cowering in a corner or something like that).

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, I started a thread about the same type of thing recently.

 

 

I never hung around long enough to see who buys that garbage. 

Presumably, they are selling some of it or they wouldn't stay in business.

Unacceptable, and all about education, but can I make just a minute observation? Swastika is Hindu and the word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being." Not Buddhist as you describe. 

Just now, mtls2005 said:

 

I guess if he had SWAT training, along with some real-fire experience, and was suitably armed/protected (body armor and a long gun) then I might feel free to do some Monday-morning quarterbacking on his situational performance?

 

While a lot of the recent mass shootings have been solo gunman, Columbine did involve two shooters. Without any sort of intelligence, say from video monitors, it may be challenging to determine the number of shooters, and storming in with a 7-shot handgun might even make a horrible situation worse.

 

 

Fine but not according to his boss who knows a lot more about the situation and the departments SOP's than you or I and, if this were the case, why suspend and why resign?  now they are saying they won't release the video and why?  possibly shows the guy cowering behind concrete? 

I respect and love the Police and doubt they'll collect much for his retirement gift.

28 minutes ago, Morch said:

Well, he'll have to live with them minutes of inaction for the rest of his life. And, yes, probably move somewhere else. Not going to change one bit for the victims and their families, obviously, but it's not an enticing future he's facing. Unless there's some book/movie deal in there, somewhere.

 

It is all too easy criticizing others for failing to act in extreme situations, all the more so if they were supposedly trained (more or less) to deal with such. Until one is up against the real thing, though, hard to know for sure how you'll react. I think at least some of the outrage expressed is related to trust - the feeling that those tasked with protection cannot be relied upon. Wonder if that's not a nice sales pitch for the NRA, too.

 

Arming teachers is obviously nonsense. Other than lack of training, raising the chances for accidents, and wacko teachers being served with means - what if a teacher just isn't into it (for ideological or whichever reasons)? Probably some constitutional issues there as well.

All of that is true but one has to wonder 'what if his daughter was in there'?  very difficult for families to accept an armed, trained officer of the law not intervening whilst your kid is gunned down mercilessly. 

Of course it's trust, what's the point of having an armed responder there who does not respond?  He was armed and trained and the Sheriff was right, get in there and kill that scum.

40 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

I'm very reluctant to attribute any blame or excoriate this deputy from afar. Combat fighting requires intense, specialized training.

 

 

Combat Veterans Think Arming Teachers Is A Really, Really Bad Idea

 

“There is a gulf between being taught how to handle a weapon, and learning to fight. Those are two distinct things,” Brandon Friedman, a former Army captain who was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan and later served in the Obama administration, told BuzzFeed News. “And learning how to fight, how to stand your ground when an aggressor is trying to kill you, that’s not something that comes naturally to people.”

 

Learning how to fight takes training — military training.

 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/verabergengruen/combat-veterans-think-arming-teachers-is-a-really-really?bftwnews&utm_term=.la2GG4jr0#.ouyXXb8EM

Indeed and trained he was having joined the Police Force in 1985 then further training specifically for schools and then assigned to a school. Your quote is for teachers a VERY different subject from the Police Officer, armed and trained, at his place of work (the school). It will be difficult for him to live with, it all came down to these 6 minutes, all his training and expertise but he was the only one there armed and he froze and resigned (as he should).

Right so let's be decisive let's shut them, err well let's open them again and then shut them until next time.