Clifford S

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

No need at all to skip school, you or an agent can do it for them. I have not done 90 days reporting ever in person.

Thanks. Actually I waited til 9.45am and managed to register the kdis via the good old on line system !

My theory and I'm sticking to it, Lots of people need to go Immigration Monday morning, systems/servers work a bit, crash under the load, IO/IT guy comes in has his coffee, watches the TV a bit, then is informed a server is down, hits the ON/OFF switch and Bobs you Uncle....

Well either that or the rain !

Well that's interesting (I think), tried on line again the morning for my 90 day notification and it worked !

Feeling on jubilant then went onto my son's Passport and low and behold :

 For further information regarding The 90-day Notification Report Service, please contact the Immigration Branch Office in your residence area.

The thing is it shot the message up instantaneously it looks like it didn't even try to access or submit any immigrations servers...

Maybe I'll try a few times during the day, or at Midnight perhaps ...

Re Phuket Drive through .... So do you have to go in Person? 

My kids are on British Passports with One year Visas, Our 90 day reporting is due soon (in 13 days), just tried on line for all of us and each got a "Goto Immigration office" type message.

ie Do my kids really need to skip school for a 90 day report ?

Quick updtae on this, I found a great guy who installed the electric motor, metal track on the 5 meter gate itself, 2 remote controls and also two stainless steel sets of wheels, total cos 28k thb. 

PM me if anyone needs his details.

Yeh thats my thoughts as well Mr BlackCab, cheers !

Nice little earner 1.5% per month....

Hi,

My thai Company sold land on 2017, The Agent received the deposit from the buyer, deducted their commision plus VAT and sent me the balance.

Now 2 years later my accountants now say I have to pay Withholding tax on the agents Commision. Is this the normal procedure ?

ie So I now have to pay 3% on their 5%.... (not a fortune but about 20k thh on total)

However IF the butyer had paid me direct, I believe I would have paid the Agent their Commision less Withholding tax ...

Anyone got any idea on the matter cos I seem to be going round in circles with the Agent and my Accountants currently.

Cheers

Cliffy

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On 2/25/2019 at 1:59 AM, blackcab said:

That's a really good result. I'm pleased for you.

 

Thank you for updating the thread for the benefit of future readers who finds themselves in the same situation.

My pleasure Blackcab, likewise thanks for your advice on this process....

Ps Note to self (and others), Immigration didn't' need copies of :

My passport

Thai Mothers Thai Id

Did need copies of :

Tabiaan Baan

Kor Ror 11 but not the Court letter that accompanied it

Children's British Passports

Ps Also Didn't need Hand drawn map of where we live or Proof of kids (Pocket Money) Income !!!!

Quick Update :

A few weeks ago, I flew with my son to KL for the weekend. He had 3 months left on his Thai passport. He has 4 years left on his British Passport. No documents required at Immigration leaving Phuket. All went smoothly. On returning he got a 30 day stamp on his British Passport.

Last week I flew with my daughter for the day to KL and back. No Thai Passport. New BLANK British passport. Immigration Officer checked, then asked us to go to the Desks by the Overstay Area. They Asked a few question, copied her Thai Birth Certificate and passport and allowed us through quite quickly. I had copies of lots of other documents but wasn't asked for any. The IO did however say maybe we have problem next time we try to do this...

Yesterday morning 8.30am took the kids to Phuket Immigration, went to Ground floor room on the right (Room 103 I think), very helpful smiley IO outside, completed the forms (usual extension of stay forms I think), applied for 365 days, took loads of docs again, half not required, 20 minutes later we were on our way to Central for breakfast ....which wasn't even open yet !

So I need one more KL trip with the kids to confirm we're all OK now.

And also to remember to do our 90 day Address reporting !

Cheers,

Cliffy.

On 2/4/2019 at 2:11 PM, blackcab said:

@Clifford S That's really good news. Thank you for posting the update; it will undoubtedly help and reassure others in the future.

 

Please do not forget that your son will need a re-entry permit if he is going to leave Thailand and wants to return, just like you do. You also need to take care of his 90 day reports.

 

Perhaps it's worth helping the mother out with some cash to get your daughter's missing passport replaced, then taking another short family trip. That will finally get you out of the predicament you are in.

 

Take very good care of the passports. They need to be locked away securely.

Noted BlackCab. Will be heading for his first trip to Immigration next week. 

Quick update:

My son and I flew to KL last week for 24 hours. Flew out on his Thai Passport which only had 3 months remaining. Flew into KL/Out of KL/Into Thailand on his British Passport.

Went very smoothly. Phuket Immigration gave him a 30 day stamp so as recommended by BlackCab I now need to get him a one year Extension at Immigration using his Thai Birth Certificate. 

Will be a bit trickier with my other child as I don't have her Thai passport....

Cheers,

Cliffy.

55 minutes ago, Preacher said:

True, but as the card is mandatory there is nothing to consent to for a parent. 

We do have the same British Family Names ....

33 minutes ago, blackcab said:

Yes, the kids would get a 30 day stamp on arrival.

 

Once this is done you need to go to your local immigration office (you mentioned Phuket) with their British passport and their Thai birth certificate and apply for a 1 year extension of stay on the basis of them being Thai. If they are going to leave Thailand in the next year you also need to consider a single or multi re-entry permit for them. (Please ask in the Visa Forum for precise requirements in case I have missed a document immigration will require).

 

You definately do not want to apply for a visa abroad, and nobody at the airport can do anything apart from give them a 30 day on arrival stamp.

 

At the airport you only show their British passports or you could severely cause yourself issues and delays. If you show their Thai passports because the officer says they just want to look at them then there is a high likelihood they will immediately process the Thai passports and not their British passports. Your children will then enter as Thai citizens and you will be back to square one. Don't complicate things.

 

Immigration will do this for a number of reasons. Firstly, because they are trying to help. They know if the children enter as British you will have to deal with immigration and pay money for an extension of stay, etc. In their mind why an earth would you want to do that when the children can enter unrestricted as Thai citizens? Immigration deal with a lot of confused, stressed and tired people, so they often do what they deem to be best. To be fair, you can understand their thinking.

 

Another reason is that front line staff are not always absolutely up to date with the law surrounding dual nationality. Some staff absolutely believe that a Thai child must enter on a Thai passport and they will point blank refuse a foreign passport.

 

If this happens do not get their Thai passports out. Instead, politely ask to speak to the supervisor. When it's your turn to speak politely explain you do not have the children's Thai passports and this time they will have to enter on their British passports. As Thai citizens your children cannot be refused entry to Thailand. It's important to remember that, because that's what it will all boil down to in the end.

 

You might want to explain to immigration that the children will probably be exiting Thailand soon; that you will collect their Thai passports from abroad and when they enter Thailand next time you will use their Thai passports.

 

Or you might not get any questions whatsoever, and the kids could get stamped in on their British passports with zero questions. That is a possibility too, but best to be prepared.

Thanks for the detailed answer BlackCab. Think I've got it all now. I Think I will leave the Thai passport(s) with friends abroad so then there's only the British Passport option when reentering the Kingdom.

Note to self, no booze on the plane, stay calm and be prepared for a long slow meeting at Immigration. And smile at all times.

On 1/12/2019 at 11:04 AM, blackcab said:

 

Just wait until she has moved abroad and established herself a bit.

 

 

As stated, from 15 onwards the mother does not need to be present at the application but she does need to sign a document granting consent.

 

 

There is every chance you would be refused.  The British passports would have no entry stamp in them, which is the first thing immigration look for. I rather believe you would be refused and immigration would start asking to see the mother's consent letter.

 

To avoid all of this in the future you need to get the kids out one more time. To Singapore is enough. When you arrive at Singapore, switch to their UK passports and use them to enter and later, exit Singapore. On arrival in Thailand use their British passports to enter. Immigration may ask to see their Thai passports, but explain you don't have them with you. (You could, for example, have left them in Singapore if the children were applying for a visa from an embassy or consulate in a third country. You might be going back to Singapore to collect their passports in a couple of days).

 

Once the children are in Thailand on their British passports they can leave on their British passports, and there is less chance of immigration asking for a parental authority letter.

 

The downside is that the children will need permission to stay (an extension of stay) and will be subject to 90 day reporting.

  

 The good news is that as a Thai citizen they can get a 1 year extension of stay in their British passport (ask in the Visa forum for more details). Their 90 day reports will also be in sync with yours, which will make matters easier.

 

The extension of stay and 90 day reports are negatives, however the positive is your wife will not be able to hold you to ransom as easily in the future.

 

I know it is always said that Thai citizens should enter Thailand on a Thai passport. This reason is the exception to the rule, and you will have to decide if it is worth it in your particular circumstances.

Dear BlackCab

Re "The downside is that the children will need permission to stay (an extension of stay) and will be subject to 90 day reporting."

So if I manage to get out of Thailand (legally) for a weekend, and re-enter on British passports the kids would presumably get 30 day on arrival. Regarding your above statement about extension of stay, can that be done at Phuket Town Immigration office or do I need to apply for a Visa outside of Thailand ie Singapore, KL or possibly back in the UK ?

Or Can I show their Thai Birth Certificates at Airport Immigration ?

Cheers

CLiffy

16 hours ago, baansgr said:

Feel for you, as a Father of three by an abandoned Thai Mother...cant even get them registered in a school, hospital or blue book without a Thai....I dragged my kids up to City Hall in Pattaya and stated the Thai constitution of education befor a school would accept them....its a charade that someone can just walk away yet has by law all the rights...by the way, Ive been to the Provincial Court which didnt give two hoots....

Hi Baansgr, sorry to hear that, especially with 3 kids. So have you managed to get any Thai documents with the mother present ie Thai Id or Thai passport ? Does that mean you're all stuck in Thailand til the kids are 20 years old then ? By stuck I mean have not be able to go abroad ever ....

11 hours ago, lopburi3 said:

Edit:  Seems I am wrong - sorry.  Not sure how birth certificate has your name if not married unless other official documents were filed to allow it (know that is possible but not mentioned so not sure it was).  Worth a try but suspect they will still want wife to at least sign off. 

Just to clarify the kids have "British Names" such as John Smith & Jane Smith.  These are then spelt in Thai on the Thai birth certificates. The mother has had Maiden name entered and under the father section my names is written in Thai. I'm not aware of filing any specific documents to allow this but maybe the ex did...

Many thanks for your thoughts Gents,

Well I think I'll just try in a weekend or 2, flights are cheap to KL, and just see what happens...

Curious though if I did a Land border into Laos for example, would Laos not then allow me to leave via a plane to anywhere on their British passports ? I wonder would Malaysia be the same ?

Cheers

Cliffy

5 hours ago, lopburi3 said:

Children do not do anything without a parents OK.  And this parent is not even the same name.

Hi Lopburi

If This parent is me.... then my children do have my (Scotish) surname in their Passports and BIrth Certificates

And their christian names are British too.

Not sure if that helps at all !

Cheers

Cliffy

On 1/12/2019 at 11:48 AM, blackcab said:

 

That's ok to visit Laos, for example, but the children will not be able to depart Laos unless it is back into Thailand.

 

This is because they will not have a Laos entry stamp or a visa in their British passport, which is the first thing Laos immigration will look for when they exit. That's a massive red flag for Laos immigration. (Remember that one child does not have a Thai passport at all).

So it might be possible to do a Laos land crossing on some identification or another ....

and fly back into Thailand on the British passports ? 

On 1/12/2019 at 11:20 AM, BritManToo said:

Why not try it at a land border?

Weekend in Laos, trip to Siam Reap, etc.

If they refuse to let you leave you haven't wasted any airfares.

 

Also,

If you have their Thai birth certificates (house book or ID cards), you could try and get them Thai weekend passes at the border, no passports required.

Yup I think I'll give that a try, they don't have Id cards but I'm going to try to get them ASAP...

On 1/12/2019 at 11:04 AM, blackcab said:

 

Just wait until she has moved abroad and established herself a bit.

 

 

As stated, from 15 onwards the mother does not need to be present at the application but she does need to sign a document granting consent.

 

 

There is every chance you would be refused.  The British passports would have no entry stamp in them, which is the first thing immigration look for. I rather believe you would be refused and immigration would start asking to see the mother's consent letter.

 

To avoid all of this in the future you need to get the kids out one more time. To Singapore is enough. When you arrive at Singapore, switch to their UK passports and use them to enter and later, exit Singapore. On arrival in Thailand use their British passports to enter. Immigration may ask to see their Thai passports, but explain you don't have them with you. (You could, for example, have left them in Singapore if the children were applying for a visa from an embassy or consulate in a third country. You might be going back to Singapore to collect their passports in a couple of days).

 

Once the children are in Thailand on their British passports they can leave on their British passports, and there is less chance of immigration asking for a parental authority letter.

 

The downside is that the children will need permission to stay (an extension of stay) and will be subject to 90 day reporting.

 

The good news is that as a Thai citizen they can get a 1 year extension of stay in their British passport (ask in the Visa forum for more details). Their 90 day reports will also be in sync with yours, which will make matters easier.

 

The extension of stay and 90 day reports are negatives, however the positive is your wife will not be able to hold you to ransom as easily in the future.

 

I know it is always said that Thai citizens should enter Thailand on a Thai passport. This reason is the exception to the rule, and you will have to decide if it is worth it in your particular circumstances.

Re To avoid all of this in the future you need to get the kids out one more time

You mean on the Thai passports, this is currently not possible but might be if things with the EX quieten down a bit !

But if so Yes I'll be returning on British passports and do the 90 days reports for all of us...

Definitely worth if for a bit of freedom.

19 hours ago, Preacher said:

You need the mother's permission to get a (new) Thai passport, including when they turn 15. Thai age of majority is 20 years and until than both parents have to give permission.

 

She can fill in the form and have it witnessed by the amphur.

 

Not sure if the children can leave on a British passport as they last entered on a Thai passport. Might at the least raise questions regarding permission from the mother.

Ah that's a real shame re 15 years... 

I wonder what will happen if I try to leave on a British passport, I don't mean leave Thailand full-time, I mean leave for a weekend in Singapore for example ....