35 minutes ago, tebee said:

The link was from Guido Fawkes - what does that tell you about its veracity ?

More accurate than your snapshots from twitter which contains no links

here the text if you missed it

Constitutional experts Vernon Bogdanor and Lord Kerslake both agree that there is no way for Parliament to force a second referendum without a cooperative executive.

Professor Bogdanor confirms that as the Withdrawal Agreement is a treaty, Parliament can either ratify it or not. “A referendum amendment would have no effect on its own, to have a second referendum you need legislation which in 2015 took seven months to get through Parliament.”

Former Head of the Civil Service Lord Kerslake agrees, saying “there has to be, as Vernon says, legislation… the way forward has to come with the involvement and the agreement of Government.”

13 minutes ago, damascase said:

And why is that relevant? Only because his opinion differs from yours? Again, this is shooting at the messenger - most probably without listening to the message..........

Voter Backlash against Media UKIP Smears Is Good For Democracy

One of the saddest things I have seen on the interweb of Sheeple for a long time was a post yesterday from a comedian who did very well in the 70s and 80s by presenting himself as a working class hero and man of the people. Even though Mike Harding is from a considerably poorer part of Manchester than the one I was born in, and grew up in the Lowryesque streets of Crumpsall where my family moved to green and pleasant Shropshire, in his comedy and music gigs Harding talked about shared experiences of 1950s childhood and sixties adolescence especially the agonies of adolescence because we moved back to Manchester when I was fourteen.

One would think then that somebody like Mike Harding would understand the attitudes of the working class. But no, like so many working class heros he has sold out the the politically correct luvvieocracy of the media and showbiz. There he was on his facebook page, assuming his faded celebrity gave him some kind of authority to tell people what to think, sneering at a UKIP candidate for expressing the view that working class people are sick of the media banging on about homosexuals rights and what a bigoted lot of buggers the masses are, when actually what the working class want politicians and the medias to talk about are things like jobs, immigration, the cost of living, immigration and jobs in that order.

And of course the media and politicians just take a patronising, paternalistic stance: “those things are to complicated for you oiks to be bothering your bigoted little heads with,” they say (well I’m papaphrasing.

Well I live in east Lancashire and I can tell Mike Harding that the opinion expressed by the UKIPper he is sneering at, that dislike of ‘the homosexual community’ is a view that has held sway for a long times and continues to do so.

Good to see then that voters have flicked a very big V sign to Mike Harding and the other media luvvies and in response to the smear campoaign UKIP’s poll rating has risen.

Wealthy, superior luvvies might not be able to think for themselves but the working class voters obviously can.

from The Guardian:
The medias failure to neutralise Ukip can only be good for democracy

The intrusive power of the media, their capacity to lay waste the lives of ordinary people and celebrities alike, has been much aired, before and after Leveson. But there is another form of power, exercised with far greater discretion. This is the ability of the media to shape and to limit discussion; a capacity which has in recent weeks become conspicuously transparent, thanks to their efforts to discredit Ukip in general, and Nigel Farage in particular.

The dominant political parties and the mainstream media collusively concerted the attack on Ukip. Never has the management of what is somewhat hyperbolically called the clash of ideas, conducted by the opinion-formers and gatekeepers of debate, been so clear. Rarely have the tactics to maintain argument within acceptable bounds been more obvious.

I particularly liked this line from the article:

“It may be considered something of an irony that, since all the main parties are, in one way or another, conservative parties, an even more conservative party should be the object of such vilification; and this can be ascribed only to the desire to maintain a monopoly of representation by Conservatives, Labour and Liberal Democrats.”

https://originalboggartblog.wordpress.com/2014/05/09/voter-backlash-against-media-ukip-smears-is-good-for-democracy-18416650/

9 minutes ago, tebee said:

Parliament can do whatever it wants - it is the supreme power in the UK

Well the experts disagree with you , I notice you post snapshots from twitter from "experts" are they wrong as well

7 minutes ago, tebee said:

No I didn't give the link as I found the image on Twitter and stole it from there.

 

Having looked at the link now we find the Study was funded by the UK government.

 

    Undertaken by a consortium of academics and think-tanks, from King’s College London, the Centre for Economic Performance and the Institute for Fiscal Studies, the study was funded by the government’s Economic and Social Research Council, an independent body that awards research grants to academics.
 

a search on the internet produces  hundreds of links  for economic and social research council eu funding

parliament cannot force a 2nd referendum

https://order-order.com/2018/11/27/experts-parliament-cant-force-second-referendum/?

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

Labour did want to introduce a national ID system, in an attempt to stop benefits abuse, unfortunately the Conservatives were against the idea. Now why would that be?

  

Timeline: ID cards indicates labour not completely in favour of id cards

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10164331

13 hours ago, vogie said:

The British Armed Forces are probably organising a coup d'etat as we speak. A military junta has got to be better than anything on offer at the moment.

 

Re Gib, I liked Barry best.

Interesting idea Get rid of the House of Lords and the House of Commons immediately, No more Mep's as a Miltary Junta wouldn't be allowed in the EU

44% of UKIP voters would support a military coup

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/10/17/very-british-coup

13 minutes ago, tebee said:

It won't do anything to solve the longer term problems of the country - it's a short term fix to get over paying lip service to the referendum result and TM's too early calling of art 50.

 

Neither side will give up, both will be blaming the country's problems on this for years to come rather than spending tiume analysing what is really wrong with the county, it's politics and society.

 

And we'll spend years in limbo trying to organise a future trade deal, rather than dealing with those internal problems.  

If Corbyn had been PM he would have invoked Article 50 June 24th 2016

24th June, 2016

Corbyn: “Article 50 Has To Be Invoked Now”

https://labourlist.org/2016/06/corbyn-article-50-has-to-be-invoked-now/

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

You are hardly in a position to say what the court will do. Starts on Dec 7th so we should be aware of the facts shortly.

It does seem that I am in a better position than whoever wrote the  The   Independent article.

As the submission letter states the Dec 7th Court hearing is for one side to put forward "We will aim to convince the High Court that our case is arguable, and not out of time - essentially arguing against the court’s current rationale for denying permission to proceed. We hope to be granted a substantive hearing, and that our case be expedited due to the urgency of our challenge."

So they are putting forward arguments for there case to be heard   nothing more nothing less

23 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The brexiteers mocked when 2 years ago I said not every horse first past the post was a winner, there can be disqualifications from a stewards enquiry.

An enquiry on the referendum result is about to begin.

 

The High Court will rule as early as Christmas whether Brexit should be declared “void”, in a legal case given a turbo-boost by the criminal investigation into Leave funder Arron Banks.

Judges are poised to fast track the potentially explosive challenge, after Theresa May’s refusal to act on the growing evidence of illegality in the 2016 referendum campaign, The Independent can reveal.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-void-high-court-ruling-arron-banks-investigation-when-december-christmas-a8649001.html

You noticed that "void" is in quotes there is a reason for that the case will not make any such rulings on that date 

The court case is for a number of UK Expats in Spain to

"We will aim to convince the High Court that our case is arguable, and not out of time - essentially arguing against the court’s current rationale for denying permission to proceed. We hope to be granted a substantive hearing, and that our case be expedited due to the urgency of our challenge"

https://www.ukineuchallenge.com/

10 minutes ago, sandyf said:

I take it the phrase "national responsibilities" went over your head.

 

“The path we have taken leads step by step to an ‘army of Europeans’. [That means] military forces that remain national responsibilities, but that are closely linked, uniformly equipped, and trained and ready for joint operations,” Ursula von der Leyen, the German defence minister, wrote in an opinion piece for the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung at the weekend. 

https://www.ft.com/content/272daf9a-ec49-11e8-89c8-d36339d835c0

Yeah and we all seen what the EU does start eroding anything that weakens there position little by little

What the EU want at the moment is their opening gambit card not the final solution

12 minutes ago, bomber said:

says who?

Angela Merkel calls for creation of 'real, true' EU army

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/emmanuel-macron-eu-army-european-france-angela-merkel-germany-trump-a8631806.html

If Brexit is finished, then so is democracy’

I think if there were a second referendum, Leave would probably win it. Assuming the campaign was a reasonable one and the question was fair. But we can’t assume either of those things.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/11/23/if-brexit-is-finished-then-so-is-democracy/

2 hours ago, tebee said:

 

 

    

The biggest victory of the Brexit project is the fact that public opinion in the 27 has shifted towards greater support for the European integration project. The UK’s antics have taught people the cost of non-EU and brought home to many the benefits of staying.

 

Who would have thought 700,000 people would ever have marched across London to remain in the “hated” EU?
 

The numbers or marchers is in dispute some media outlets put the numbers as low as  250,000 and how many of those marchers were eligible to vote

Stop possible second referendum on E.U. membership Petition currently stands at 119,138 signatures

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226071

2 hours ago, tebee said:

 

@alexinlaw

Immigration lawyer. Also studied and enjoy literature and science. Equality for all. Atheist. Saboteur.

10 minutes ago, kwilco said:

I'll never get my head round the consummate stupidity of Brexitism....

 

Its 4 countries actually England, Wales,Scotland and Northern Ireland 

12 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

You can't even be bothered to acknowledge the link, that you accused me of making up? That's why I don't bother with people like you, you just waste everyone's time. HSBC is a FTSE100 company ... £1bn is chicken feed ... sad.

 

In the words of Tony Blair "Am I bothered"

11 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Read it and weep:

 

"The op-ed pages in China's state media were more ferocious about the matter over the weekend. The Global Times, a popular news tabloid, said: "Britons are already showing a losing mind-set. They may become citizens of a nation that prefers to shut itself from the outside world.""

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-reaction-to-brexit-2016-6

The Chinese people will ‘watch the consequence of Britain’s embracing of a “democratic” referendum’, says Communist party-run Global Times