vinny41

Fuel and Oil filters I accept engine oil I don't consider a part neither do I consider anti-freeze as a part

There plenty of 100 year old ICE vehicles on the road, I owned a 20 year old Toyota never needed any parts replacing other than wiper blades tires and 12V battery you will have to wait a very long time to see if there are 100 year old EV's on road with their original parts

My point is that some of the EV Experts on this forum seem to forget without petrochemicals there would be no EV's and I don't know of any EV's that can start without a battery

The majority of ev's parts are made from petrochemicals

The other issue for older EV's is insurance If you unlucky and the battery needs replacing due to an accident new insurance rules kick in from January 2024 Battery life not exceeding 4 years, 70% of the battery price will be paid from the vendor. Battery life up to 5 years, 60% of the battery price will be paid from the vendor. Battery life exceeding 5 years will pay a 50% battery compensation charge against the battery price from the vendor. https://www.amarintv.com/spotlight/business-marketing/detail/56923 So if EV is over 5 years old insurance will pay 50% battery compensation charge the owner has to stump up the other 50%

I think your the only idiot on this thread lots of changes have happen within the thai economy since the previous government announced those planned target numbers for 2025 2030 2035 Hence why I said slippage will happen to those target numbers

Your living in a fantasy world if you believe that 457,884 EV's will be sold in 2024 and what the journalist wrote about EV sales in 2023 compared to ICE sales in 2023 was completely correct market share of EV's in Thailand is still small compared to ICE sales in 2023 and totally number of vehicles on the road

The author doesn't work for a think tank she is a financial journalist https://stocknews.com/authors/?author=namrata-senchanda&pg=2 When people talked about % is does depend on the starting base line If I was to offer you a return of 600% based on an investment of Baht 1 that means the return of your investment would be Baht 6 plus your initial investment of Baht 1 totaling 7 baht In 2020 1,056 Ev's were sold in 2021 1,935 ev's were sold in 2022 9,729 EV's were sold and in 2023 76,314 were sold total number for the period 2020-2023 total 89,034 In March 2021 the Government publish target figures for 2025 2030 and 2035 For 2025 the target figure for EV's cars/pickup trucks in use is 402,000 target figure for BEV motorcycles is 622,000 and for buses and trucks 31,000 They also published target figures for local production of all of the above EV's types of vehicles If we assume the 2025 2030 2035 are all December dates If we look at the December 2025 Target figures for cars/pickup trucks of 402,000 in use than means during the 2024-2025 period a total of 312,966 need to be sold if we look at the total number of sales for 2023 of 76,314 and if double that number were sold in 2024 152,628 than means to reach the target of 402,000 that the number of ev's sold in 2025 would need to be 160,338 Problem is since those target figures were published multiple things have changed that will result in those targets unlikely to be met and will result in slippage on those target numbers https://www.thaiauto.or.th/2020/news/?news_id=4981

Wrong I never posted anything that your quoting

CEO Ola Kaellenius cautioned towards the end of last year that even in Europe, sales would likely not be all-electric by 2030, with battery-powered cars currently making up just 11% of total sales, and 19% including hybrids. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/mercedes-benz-hits-cars-returns-forecast-inflation-supply-chain-costs-bite-2024-02-22/

I think they are waiting for all their competitors to announce their prices before release their prices They have been offering discounts in China with the entry model (155km range) starting at 5,250 USD (B189,052) https://carnewschina.com/2024/03/01/now-one-of-chinas-cheapest-cars-the-changan-lumin-gets-a-discount-and-6-1-seconds-acceleration/

And in my opinion its you that is wrong and you should provide evidence to support your claim that the author is biased just you posting on this forum is not evidence that she is biased you don't seem to understand 2035 is a target date not set it stone and can be changed if required just like when the UK pushed back from 2030 to 2035 for Petrol and Diesel while Hybrid remains unchanged at the moment as that was always 2035 2030 dates were set before Covid if there are further key worldwide components shortages that will push back the 2035 dates The plan to ban new diesel and petrol cars was initially set to begin in 2040 by the then environmental secretary. The initiative was later brought forward to 2030, and then ultimately delayed to 2035. Sales of hybrid vehicles will also be banned from this date. https://pod-point.com/guides/2035-diesel-and-petrol-car-ban-in-the-uk-everything-you-need-to-know#:~:text=The plan to ban new,be banned from this date.

On certain routes it's well known that trucks or cars full to the brim with drugs will attempt to evade or ignore checkpoints and make a run for it normally shootouts will take place

it was clearly stated in the article by this guy we believe that the Thai government will most likely miss its 1.123 million zero-emission vehicles target by 2030,” says Hirotaka Uchida, Head of Arthur D. Little Thailand, Automotive and Manufacturing in Southeast Asia Pacific. Normally as a rule Most Government's incurred slippage when they try to enforce a target that the majority of the public are not signed up to Every country adopts measures to protect their own local auto manufacturing base hence any country that wants to export cars to Thailand with the exception of China is subject to import tariffs on between 40-80%

I think that wouldn't happen as well as cars Thailand is a major manufacturer of trucks and other commercial vehicles Most countries now have a local content requirement for imports If they don't achieve the 40% local content will be very difficult to export EV's According to a local newspaper, the Thai National Shippers’ Council (TNSC) supports the government’s stance towards a buoyant ICE automotive industry. TNSC chairman Chaichan Chareonsuk said that the value addition of EVs to local manufacturers is only 34%, while for ICE vehicles the value addition of 53%. But, to reach its 30@30 goals, Thailand still has a long way to go. “Based on the current market situation and expected future movements, we believe that the Thai government will most likely miss its 1.123 million zero-emission vehicles target by 2030,” says Hirotaka Uchida, Head of Arthur D. Little Thailand, Automotive and Manufacturing in Southeast Asia Pacific. https://asiafundmanagers.com/us/policy-focus-on-ice-vehicles-to-slowdown-thailands-ev-adoption/

In the USA they would both be dead , In Dirty Harry films you would never see Harry standing around while he sees a fellow police officer beaten up by a couple of Punks he more likely to point his magnum 44 at the guy standing and advise him that he should tell his friend to release the police officer hence the posts of a 2nd police officer just filming is pure fantasy

The Thai Government target for EV production is Amongst them are the 30@30 policy that aims to transition 30% of its auto production to EVs by 2030 So that a target on 30% EV production by 2030 leaving 70% ICE production if it takes 7 years to get to 30% how many years will it take to get to 100% 16 years from now maybe 2040 https://asiafundmanagers.com/us/policy-focus-on-ice-vehicles-to-slowdown-thailands-ev-adoption/

There will always be slippage in 2011 UK government announce that all homes and businesses will have smart meter's fitted by 2019 currently the rollout stands at 57% since the announcement was made in 2011 they have discovered that meter's in basements or flats don't work . However, it has adjusted its deadlines three times and reduced its target installation levels for smart meters from “‘all homes and small businesses’” in 2019, to its current target of 74.5% of homes and nearly 69% of small businesses to have smart meters by the end of 2025. At the end of March 2023, more than a decade after the rollout started, only 57% of all electricity and gas meters were smart. https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/197947/delayed-smart-meter-programme-fails-to-hit-targets-and-secure-public-support/ I predict the same will happen for petrol and diesel phase out of new cars France, Austria, Spain have push the date back to 2040 Germany was pushing back last year until it received concessions to allow for e-fuels and was joined by Italy, Poland and the Czech Republic. https://www.globalfleet.com/en/safety-environment/europe/features/road-net-zero-clear-journey-not?a=API07&t[0]=Emissions&t[1]=Electric Hybrid&t[2]=Sustainability&curl=1

I disagree we have seen slippage across the world from the UK, Europe These ICE manufactures will have lock tight contracts with the Thai government to produce vehicles for both the domestic market and export and who knows what will be selling in 10-15 years time if we time travel back to between 2009-2014 how many electric cars sold in Thailand during that period i suspect very few if any

Think more like 20 years allowing for slippage However, the government has pledged to continue supporting the production of internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. Thailand’s Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin stated that he wants the nation to serve as a “last centre” of ICE production until the usage of the technology completely diminishes. More precisely, he reassured that Thailand would continue to support the manufacturing of ICE vehicles for the next 10-15 years. https://asiafundmanagers.com/us/policy-focus-on-ice-vehicles-to-slowdown-thailands-ev-adoption/

Personally I think once there is an affordable solution available to all vehicles the government should announce a phase out plan on vehicles starting from Euro 1 emissions to Euro 7 The plan should be announced 5 years in advance to allow businesses to prepare and budget for changes and each phase should have a 3 year life span Yes it would take 26 years to phase out completely

It will be interesting to see in the future lets say 2032 if someone was looking at a used 2023 MG ZS EV or MG EP+ versus a MG 4 all the same condition mileage same level of battery degradation , battery warranty expired on all vehicles will the zs ev and EP command a higher resale value than the MG 4 due to the modular batteries

That's what the title stated in the article All cars on the roads of Europe: The numbers country by country How many are there? How old are they? What is the density? Which fuel is used? Here comes the country comparison As stated if the point of EV's is climate change you need to look at all vehicles on the road not just focus on a small minority

I think the modular battery only applies for MG ZS EV and maybe MG EP, MG4 doesn't have modular batteries and is a cell2pack according to this page MG 4 battery replacement is B525,000 excluding vat and labour costs where the MG ZS EV modular cost is B75,000 excluding vat and labour costs https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10161101638446877&set=p.10161101638446877&type=3 third party companies offering a repair solution in Thailand is years away Tesla have been selling cars in the states for over 12 years now if you exclude the tesla roadster

Byd published their replacement battery cost in 2023 BYD explains the selling price of the "ATTO 3" electric car battery , starting at 528,730 baht for the Standard Range model and 656,030 baht for the Extended Range model (prices do not include VAT). https://www.sanook.com/auto/86639/ These prices don't include 7% vat or the labour cost for removing old battery and installing new battery if you look at the extended battery 60.4 kWh B656,030 +7 VAT = B701, 952 budget approx between B60,000-100,000 for Labour cost and your looking at replacement battery cost of between B760,000-B800,000 On most models no option but to replace entire battery unit with the exception of the MG ZS EV which uses battery modulation where if you have a single damaged cell you just replace that cell rather than the entire battery