RayC

The Treaty of Rome states that the aim should be "even closer union among the people of Europe ..." Does that inevitably mean a single European state? Imo no, but it's an interesting and valid point which you raise.

I would add 'power'.

That is such a lazy argument. It's akin to saying that God must exist because you can't prove categorically that s/he/it doesn't. The other favourite Brexiter counter-argument, that they know someone whose business is now thriving therefore Brexit is beneficial, is like saying that I knew someone who smoked 40 Capstan full strength per day and he lived to 90. Therefore, smoking must be good for you. It simply isn't true. It is another false argument. The facts are simple: (Almost) Every piece of research conducted into Brexit has found that it has had and - based on certain assumptions - will continue to have negative economic effects. If Brexiters do not accept these hypotheses, arguments and conclusions then the onus on them to find flaws in the assumptions and methodologies. The fact that there are few, if any, studies which have done so suggest that the original research is credible and valid. Why do Brexit supporters find it so difficult to acknowledge this?

You state that your objection to freedom of movement is not based on economic factors. You also deny that you are motivated by xenophobia. What exactly is your objection to Europeans living and working in the UK? (Please do not mention the effect on the UK job market unless you are willing to concede that is an economic factor).

I doubt that many people will be getting too <deleted> at £10/pint????

3% of EU nationals in the UK were unemployed prior to the pandemic. This rose to 6% during the pandemic (Source: Daily Telegraph). I can't find data on the UK unemployed in the EU, but I imagine that there are a similar number of British "ponces" living in the EU.

Under freedom of movement regulations very few EU nationals would have been denied entry to the UK, so I don't see how the imposition of visa requirements benefit these individuals.

Dismantle (at least one of) them.

If her (likely) appeal fails, the full term. According to a podcast ('The Dropout'), there is no parole in the US federal - as opposed to states' - judicial system. I stand to be corrected if I've misunderstood and that statement is incorrect.

What is then? You've said that it's not for economic reasons. UK Immigration should know when someone has arrived in the country. What added benefit is there in making individuals obtain a visa?

Another of the favourite old chestnuts rears its' head again

Problem is that there is no evidence to suggest that things will get better. It's nothing but blind faith to suggest otherwise. The UK almost never had to enact any legislation from Brussels that it didn't agree with.

So you were in favour of Brexit for xenophobic reasons?

You have selective amnesia. I have replied directly to you previously about this issue Statistical techniques such as regression analysis allow us to test hypotheses about the effect that Brexit has had on the economy. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/regression.asp

Indeed, it is a complex subject which is why Margaret Thatcher (amongst others) was against having an 'In/ Out' referendum on EU membership. She had a point. You are still flogging this erroneous argument - and trying to present it as fact - despite evidence to the contrary having been posted on numerous occasions. In your first paragraph, you casually dismiss the economic effects of Brexit. Here you say that you voted Brexit because because freedom of movement distorted the UK labour market! You can't have it both ways The phrase 'Cutting off the nose ..." comes to mind. But you said that controlling the UK labour market was? Doesn't that fall within a discussion about the economy. I am completely confused by your line of argument and its' logic.

Just gets better and better .... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63687412

If only we could ban the lower classes from such events. They do spoil things for the well-heeled.

Not that I have much sympathy for her but you can hardly say she got off scot-free: 11 years is fair old stretch.

The 1872 Wanderers FA Cup final side. World champions in all but name. Those were the days!

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Your starter, sir https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions

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Issues that we might both agree fit into that category: Family, friends, health, safety, community off the top of my head. That does appear to be the case for a large majority

I've a Welsh mate who has missed no more than half a dozen Wales' games (home or away) over the past 25 years. He's waited all his life for Wales to qualify for a World Cup: He's not going

Please don't suggest this to the organising committee; they might think that it is a serious proposal.