RayC

A whole lot more? The only two other factors that I can think of are 1) sovereignty and 2) immigration/ freedom of movement. If I have missed any other factors then please list them. Imo the concept of sovereignty is basically a myth unless you wish to live in a closed society, such as North Korea, or a dictatorship such as China. Leaving the EU has given the UK little in the way of increased sovereignty (see my reply to @Kwasaki). Moreover, how 'sovereign' can a medium-sized economy, such as the UK, be in a globalised world? As we have just witnessed, the UK government and BoE was forced to reverse recent policy decisions by the markets. Wrt to immigration/ freedom of movement. Well, I guess that this simply comes down to one's attitude to individuals of other nationalities/ races. Having grown up in Brixton, and spent most of my life either living and working as an immigrant myself and/or living and working along side immigrants/ individuals of a different race, it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me where they might come from or what is their skin colour; we either get along or we don't. If someone feels superior to/ threatened by individuals from another nation/ race, then I think that they are wrong. Moreover, I certainly don't think governments should be making policy to appease such individuals. So for me, Brexit is all about the economy. As I repeat ad nauseum, there is little, if any, evidence to suggest that Brexit has had - or will have - a positive economic impact and a wealth of evidence to suggest that the opposite is true.

In what ways are Brits freer now than they were in 2015? The idea that the UK was controlled from Brussels was a myth. The vast majority of legislation originating from the EU was unanimously agreed by all member states. Between 1997 - 2016, the UK was 'forced' to implement 3% of EU legislation against its' will. Imo a small compromise to have to make and not significantly different to any other member state.

If these people were that keen on maximising their welfare payments, they'd be better off starting in France https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_welfare_spending Maybe that's the answer to the refugee issue. Hand out flyers in Calais informing refugees that France has a more generous welfare system. Problem solved. No more demand for the illegal channel crossings. Can't understand why the UK government hasn't thought of this?

What was it in the FT video that you thought was factually incorrect?

Excellent. We are in agreement ????

The weight of evidence suggests that Brexit has had a negative effect on the UK. Covid and the Ukraine war have had a negative effect on the world's economy, but there is nothing to suggest that there would have been any economic benefits to the UK in their absence as a result of Brexit, or that there will be any benefits in the short/ medium term.

And it is an undeniable fact that Brexit has had an effect on the UK's economy.

It's a bit rich for Chope to complain about chaos in government given his record in parliament https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Chope

I accept that it's not what you meant to say but the fact is you did: "Just stop benefits for those with no excuse, ie disability ..."

Good idea. Let's employ those who have unfortunately lost an arm as fruit pickers. If they are city based they could be road sweepers.

Surely when casting a vote you should be aware of - and take into consideration - what will be the likely effects?

Economists consider that when an economy is operating at a rate of <3% it is at 'full employment' which means that it will be difficult to fill any vacancies from the local workforce i.e. it will necessary to import labour. No thanks. Sounds way too much like hard work for my liking ????

Six weeks ago a majority of the members of the parliamentary Conservative party thought that Boris Johnson was unfit to lead the country. Unless I've missed it, Johnson hasn't performed a feat noteworthy enough to lead these members to change their minds. Therefore, imo the only conclusion that can be reached is that these individuals are, yet again, putting their own needs - and those of the Conservative party - before the needs of the country. Clearly these individuals have no shame. And some people think that the Tories are better than the alternatives? If that's the case, the UK really is f*"!ed.

Given that Brexit supporters knew what they were voting for, I thought that those here might be able to help. Looks like I was mistaken. Nb: I accept that I am assuming that Brexit supporters are not economic masochists. If this assumption is incorrect then no explanation is necessary.

It was - and still is - an open invite to all Brexit supporters. "Everyone has moved on from talking about Brexit". Clearly many of us haven't: That's why we are still discussing it. And there are very good reasons for that. There are still unresolved issues. Haven't you noticed that the situation in N.Ireland which are a direct result of Brexit? What about the on-going discussions about UK collaboration in EU funded fora? Access to data; that's all sorted, is it? How about regulatory issues e.g. in the chemicals industry? And what about the (financial) service sector? Currently rarely mentioned but outside of the agreement because, yes, at the moment the EU needs access to the City. But in 5 years time? Another reason I am still talking about Brexit is because the UK government needs to be held responsible and accountable for its' Brexit related promises and commitments. Or do you consider that unimportant? Notwithstanding any of the above, why not sate my curiousity and point out the economic benefits that the UK has accrued since the Brexit referendum and/or the date on which we formally left the EU?

On the subject of Brexit, the thread where the video below was originally posted was closed before Brexit supporters had the chance to debunk its' contents. Imo it's only fair that they get the opportunity. Therefore, repeating my original question; perhaps those who still think that Brexit is beneficial, and is not a contributory factor in the current crisis, could let us have the counter argument? (To preempt objections that this 'off-topic', I'd argue that the candidates' attitudes towards Brexit/ the EU will probably play a part in this election, therefore it is relevant).

You are assuming that the Tory Party will act rationally. You may have just given a number of reasons what Sunak won't be elected.

I doubt that any of that will be a problem given the Tories' current predilection for chaos. I wouldn't be surprised if Liz Truss announces that she is standing to succeed herself.

Sunak is the bookie's favourite @13/8

I don't accept that your inference that 'whats done is done'. Those promoting a 'Leave' vote stated that the UK would be better off outside the EU: It is their responsibility to make good on that promise and they need to be held accountable for it. With that in mind, once again, how will the vote to leave the EU help the UK to go forward?

It's another excellent slogan. But perhaps you could explain in slightly more detail how Brexit will help us to do so?

Perhaps those who still think that Brexit is beneficial, and is not a contributory factor in the current crisis, could let us have the counter argument?

If the last week is anything to go by you may get what you want before the day's out!

Why don't these anti-British, Communist, Guardian reading individuals put their bias to one side for a moment, and recognise the excellent job that PM Liz Truss is doing https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23062933.tory-mp-charles-walker-slams-talentless-liz-truss-government-livid-bbc-outburst/

I think that it's time to enact the old adage: "You've gotta laugh otherwise you'd cry". So with that in mind: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/liz-truss-lettuce-last-longer-28235047