Steph1012

Yes, very good.

I'm sure the clarification will be as clear as mud.

In all likelyhood it will be back to turning a blind eye.

Regards,

That or wave goodbye to billions of baht of foreign inverstment, and years on loss of confidence. Few years of that and a couple more rules to protect thai compaines will also further decrease their ability to compete. Add to that half their English teachers fleeing this year and we should soon be on an equal footing with mighty nations such as East Timor, Zimbabwe, Sudan etc.

Any big retail companies that get stitched will just pull the plug on Thai produce and the lesson that Carlesberg learned will be taken more seriously in future by the investment community at large.

This was in the FT and thats serious news for Thailand.

At last, the schools are waking up to the possible results of this new non planned plan. Good on them. Getting qualified teachers is a good thing, but crippling the system with impossible (here) expectations to the detriment of the kids education can only be a bad thing. Lets hope the rest of the schools follow this first step by Phuket.

Thats it mate, the penny (first of many) has finally dropped.

Not in 10 thousand years are Thai Schools going to fill their requirements with qualified staff. High paying countries cannot do it so what on earth makes Thailand think they can one can only wonder.

Its ok having a wish list but at the end of the day you have to go with what you've got.

Knock em a few places back down the economic scale in a year or so. no continuity, half the teachers legging it now because if visas. Easy to work in China, Cambodia and Vietnam.

"the Thai economy next year is projected to grow 3.9 per cent with an inflation rate of 2 per cent"

*****

2% inflation? whom is Khun Kittirat Na Ranong trying to bullsh*t? some farang tourist who spends a two week vacation in Thailand?

Thats it, All the Thai national parks have given us a 100 percent hike already. They seam to think that this will not impact on their inflation.

The telling number is a 11.5% decrease.

50% decrease in Phuket! last month when compared with 2005 AND 2004 (before the Tsunami). I wondered when this would hit the forum.

http://phuketgazette.net/news/index.asp?fr...yes&Id=5305

This is a massive loss of foreign investment and confidence by anybodys standards. Will they be able to stop the rot?

scandasia have campaigned for him for a long time.

it shows how professional journalists can have an effect in bringing suspect judgements to a wider audience and to the notice of the authorities.

thats what newspapers and journalists are for.

well done.

Well done indeed.

What with this and the advent of the Internet, shady Thai justice will be brought to the World's attention.

When I came here 10 years ago nobody dare criticise anything Thai as it meant big problems. Now, people go home, get on the net and can say what they like about Tuk Tuks, Taxis, Dodgy hotels etc. etc.

Whatever their tourist arrivals are year on year, they are always a good deal less than they should be!

I can see the ads now:

Apartments to let ,

Phnom Penh, Seam Reap & Sihanoukville, 90 day rentals.

Timeshare, anyone?

Thats right mate.

And the other side to this will be...

Appartments to let in Phuket, Pattaya, Bangkok, Udon etc. etc. etc. When we are all in Cambodia!!!

The Thais will love this loss of income as it will be massive and sudden in the early part of next year. the thing that will really piss off the Thai Landlords is that they cannot then change tack and get everybody back.

Be sure that expat communities will expand in bordering countries.

Been a lot going on down here lately.

They seem to be using google earth a lot and have shut down another development on the South of Phuket Island.

Have a feeling the shit is really going to hit the fan here as the Land Office here and Phang Nga have been on the news implicated in false Chanote issues.

Thoough I would have seen more on here about it.

http://phuketgazette.net/news/index.asp?ref=2006103113332

Brazil do me a favour!

If you have enough money to fly out there and get set up in life, you have enough money to get legal here. And, if you have that much money, you are in great danger of having it taken at gun or knife point from you.

Just a bunch of whinging tax and WP dodgers imagining they can scare the Thai Authorities into letting them stay here and carry on scamming.

Whilst there are a couple of clever what ifs and I'm a lottery winner type posts on this site, the reality is that most longstay "tourists" here are tax dodging or criminals or both.

How can you expect to stay here forever and never show where your income comes from? If you can't show income, how are the Thai authorities supposed to know how you live? Its obvious, you've had it too good for too long.

what an idiot.

None so blind as they that cannot see. The Thai authorities have finally caught up with a bunch of tax dodging wide boys, you all squeal and post graphic descriptions of how Thailand will fall into the abyss without you, then make juvenile posts like this. I expected better from somebody who makes so many posts.

Look forward to your posts from Brazil when you all make it out there! I'm certain the total sum of "tourist" expats re-locating from Thailand to Brazil will be less than ten.

Won't happen as life is still too good here and still worth fighting (conforming) for.

IMHO Its still better, cheaper, more fun and safer to get legal in Thailand than to go to Brazil.

If your opinion is that anybody that disagrees with you is an idiot you are sadly mistaken.

Well, this is just another blow for the Thai economy. I am almost beyond caring what they do anymore. I export from Asia and at the same time am losing the will to continue to do this from the very country I have made my base, i.e. Thailand..

Thats right Andrew.

All our customers come from Europe and we advertise from here and lure people to Thailand via our websites. I can just as easily start including places like Halum Bay in Vietnam as its very business friendly there.

Further, I have two agents (personal friends) that are eager to sell Thai manufactured furniture in the Uk and Denmark. Like you say, balls to em, I can get it done more easily from Cambodia these days and will follow this up in the new year.

Thailand for the Thais! let them eat all their own Jasmine Rice, shrimp, curry paste and all the exotic vegetables that giant stores like Tesco, Big C and Carrefore sell in Europe. They bash Tesco etc. and Tesco etc. will shit on them and their developing economy from a height most Thais don't realise exists. Let Thais buy all the produce they make, let them go to Europe with their primary school level English and German and try and hard sell it there.

The up side is that Thailand is going to remain a poor country (read cheap for us to live in ) for many years to come. The more so if we live here and do business from neighbouring countries.

29. Professional civil engineering concerning design and calculation, systemization, analysis, planning, testing, construction supervision, or consulting services, excluding work requiring specialized techniques.

What are some of these?...any examples?

Applied thinking

Foresight

Planning

Time management

Organisation

Brazil do me a favour!

If you have enough money to fly out there and get set up in life, you have enough money to get legal here. And, if you have that much money, you are in great danger of having it taken at gun or knife point from you.

Just a bunch of whinging tax and WP dodgers imagining they can scare the Thai Authorities into letting them stay here and carry on scamming.

Whilst there are a couple of clever what ifs and I'm a lottery winner type posts on this site, the reality is that most longstay "tourists" here are tax dodging or criminals or both.

How can you expect to stay here forever and never show where your income comes from? If you can't show income, how are the Thai authorities supposed to know how you live? Its obvious, you've had it too good for too long.

Being half farang she is going to get frumpy very soon, so enjoy looking at her while you can.

I agree, alot of the older farang guys I see are in pretty bad shape too, too many fat guys around for sure.

Must be something about being a farang makes you fat and stupid

And rich

and more attractive to Thai women

Have these NGO people nothing better to do? How about bringing reps from Gillette over, to show them how to do a "razor show" safely?

I'm glad you noticed it as well my friend. Must be pretty tame up there nowadays for them to come up with this. They would have been better buying them some game-boys or comic books so they had some way to kill the boredom that most of em appear to suffer from.

I've had it out on here with NGO's before. They come here because its a safe place to do good, they are tedious, pretentious and ineffective. All the wierdo kiddy porners are dobbed in by locals and expats who detest them, not as a result of these NGO's. I suggest they post rice planting and farming jobs at the end of all red light districts offering 5,000 baht per month and see how many takers there are.

They really should be in Cambodia and Burma if they want a cause, but its too dangerous for them there and they would have to give up the comfortable life they have here.

About 30,000 teenagers aged below 18 are in detention centres today mainly because of committing crimes after drinking alcoholic beverages, said the study.

Note the "below 18". The present law expressly forbids anyone under 18 from buying and consuming alcohol. As it doesn't seem to be working, why all the fuss about increasing the minimum age? If the present law isn't enforced what makes them think a new one would be? Thais have always shown themselves able to circumvent overly restrictive laws. They just ignore them.

Like: drink driving

helmet laws

eighteen to drive bike to school

2:00am closing

drive on the left

two on a bike

internet cafe kids restrictions

zoning laws

90 decible limits

encroachment

Dead right, it won't make a difference to the drinking. Make it a little more difficult when the Bangkok Police come and have a look round. Won't make a difference to the Lao Khao drinkers.

As ever its the lack of enforecement that's the problem and they still just don't get it.

One of the other problems faced by the "Mom & Pop" stores, and Thai business in general is the sheer volume of these stores and the total lack of imagination. There was a classic case of this a few years ago. The farmers seeing a neighbour reap a good harvest of a vegetable (I forget which) all grew the same vegetables the next year. The oversupply forced down the price so much that the crop was left to die in the fields as the harvesting costs were more than the crop was worth now there was so much of it.

Every block here has at least one seven eleven, family mart and a couple of mom and pop stores in between, all selling the same things. Nobody has a right to sit in a filthy shop often smelling of cat piss, selling out-of-date food (espescially eggs) to people.

The Markets are extreemly popular here and indeed fresher than the hypermarkets. The Air-conditioning also dries out much of their fresh produce as well. I don't think they (the markets) will ever be threatened as they are very crowded all the time.

Nice post earlier about all the over enthusiastic Bangkok TEFL mill teachers coming on here correcting grandma grammar. Get a life.

Nice to see some things hold true.

There really are people with more money than sense.

Faxx with his 10 days LOS 10 days Phillipines, 10 days somewhere else, is only spending 60 odd days per 6 month period in Thailand. The VOA (free at port of entry) therefore represents a saving of 1 Million Baht.

Why would somebody not want to save themselves 1 million baht?

Mr Sensibles advice for sensible investing.

Never take investment advice from someone trying to sell you something.

Exactly!!

TORNADO

Can't handle successful retired business women eh!

Anyway, when they eventually catch up with all you falangs working in real esate and you are back home and fat through not having ever worked, you will be wishing that you lived in Talang and got some excercise.

The writing is on the wall for you however safe you think you are, just as it was with the 30 day "tourists". The knock on the door will come for you, then it will be goodbye fat falang developer who thinks he has his finger on the pulse.

769 properties and land plots for sale this week in Phuket Gazette. Thats well up on the four pages last month.

You motor mouth bogus posters are trying to talk the market up, state black is white, when we can all see the amount of for sale signs increasing.

You could post your accounts on here if you want us to believe you.

>>>>Singapore has introduced 24 hour drinking, legalised prostitution

Hmmmm...I'll be doing all the visa stuff there then

You won the lottery?

And here it is!

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QUOTE(Steph1012 @ 2006-09-29 15:31:30)

Nice try Tornado. Keep talking it up and try not to get too steamed up about it as well, we all have opinions and this is mine.

I am a keen cyclist and clock up hundreds of KM every week on and off the Island. Get out of your office and car a bit more if you want to know whats going on here.

Just seen 350 rai being auctioned off, and here are four full pages of houses for sale.

http://phuketgazette.net/classifieds/phuke...f=2006929151115

Also try a search on Google, theres thousands of adds. Lot of land was bought up by speculators and they are struggling to shift any of it.

Some of these have been on for over a year. A lot of these adds are for multiple houses on developments and there are massive plots of land.

Try Chao Fah Road as well. There are hundreds of properties for sale at Land and house, Middle Road, Phuket Villa etc. etc., Massive complexes going in up at Talang as well.

Hundreds of plots for sale and when you ring about one, you are always offered more choices as a lot of the adds are from agents and discounts are always offered.

AND THE REPLY FROM TORNADO

Im not getting steamed up, Im suggesting you are looking at crap land in crap locations.

Who wants to live in these areas? That is the Thai market. Your initial response to this thread was regarding land being plentifull, this is not the case.

Houses are always for sale and always will be. Land on the other hand is very hard to get in the right areas.

Hundreds of plots for sale, but where? How much? Are the titles ok? due dilligence done? under the 80 meter height restriction? flying sor kor 1? national park? airport noise? zone? build height restrictions? servitude? water? electricity?

The west coast has 5 plots left on the beach and that is a pretty large coast.

The Panwa area: looks like loads of land until you get the paperwork and they are either tor bor 6 or sor kor 1, which is no good to a foreigner.

The Kathu area: try and find a 1 or 2 Rai plot without a major overhead powerline behind you.

The Layan area: Last year selling at 3-4 mil per Rai, now 7 mil and up and very hard to find.

The Surin area: try and find a nice sea view plot.

Kamala: millionaires row. 3 plots left on the whole road.

Mai Kao: 2 beachfront land plots and other than that, some jungle plots in horrible locations.

Rawai: find a 1 rai plot.

Nai Harn: rare as rocking horse shit.

Patong: two larger plots left under the 80 meter mark and no 1 rai plots.

Cherngtalay: plenty of low level land that needs to filled (cost about 600 k a Rai to fill)

Thalang: last year 500 k per rai, now 1 mil per Rai and selling to Bangkok Thais and a few foreigners.

Chalong: I can go throgh every road if you like.

East Coast: Ao Phor, not much sea view left and selling at 7 mil per Rai and upwards.

Yamoo: 25 mil per Rai if you buy in the nice area and other land in this area is land banked by Thais from Bangkok or anyone with money for that matter.

Koh Sirea, a dump and the most lawless area on the island and the land price is still 6 mil and up per rai.

Now lets go through your post:

Just seen 350 rai being auctioned off, and here are four full pages of houses for sale."

350 Rai isnt what the average foreigner wants and the houses I've already covered.

"Also try a search on Google, theres thousands of adds. Lot of land was bought up by speculators and they are struggling to shift any of it."

Thousands? Please show me the adds where they are struggling to sell. What price did they pay for it and what area was it in?

"Some of these have been on for over a year. A lot of these adds are for multiple houses on developments and there are massive plots of land."

Developers usually advertise for many years, it obviously depends on location and price and the quality of the product.

"Try Chao Fah Road as well. There are hundreds of properties for sale at Land and house, Middle Road, Phuket Villa etc. etc., Massive complexes going in up at Talang as well. "

Very badly built, thrown together with sub standard fixtures and fittings, aimed mainly at the Thai market. Thalang is also a Thai village area and we can wait and see if the average foreigner thinks its for them.

"Hundreds of plots for sale and when you ring about one, you are always offered more choices as a lot of the adds are from agents and discounts are always offered."

I have been in this game for ten years and anyone who knows anything about searching for land, is, there is always another plot. When looking for the right plot, there is much due dilligance to do and most turn out to be far from perfect and after you have gone through all of the neccesary checks, your out on the road again looking for more.

I am out and about everyday in my job and deal with every Thai broker on this Island. I get 60 plots a week brought into my company by 1 broker alone and after I sift through the crap, I end up with less than 10 percent.

Since arriving in Phuket way back in the late 90's, I have seen land prices (1 area for example) in Rawai go from 300,000 baht per Rai to todays price (same land) 7 million baht.

Phuket is a very good investment and I dont think there are many places in the world you could have gains like this. THERE IS ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT OF LAND LEFT AVAILABLE IN GOOD AREAS AND I DONT CARE IF NOBODY BUYS IT, I DONT CARE ABOUT BEATING UP THE MARKET, ALL I CARE ABOUT IS THAt THE RIGHT INFORMATION IS GIVEN.

Please dont listen to arm chair real estate gurus, there are more of them than land.

With new zoning laws in place it isnt as easy as before.

(I have'nt promoted my business, nor have I got anything to gain from the post above. There are well over 100 brokers on this Island now, send a few emails away to them and see if I am right) Good Luck to all!

This post has been edited by Tornado: 2006-09-29 17:55:02

I stand by what I posted above. Prove me wrong on every point. I actually spent time on a post that is correct, I even pointed out the areas and current prices. I stand by for your area by area price range, building codes, zoning, servitudes (just a general list will do) and then we can play in the sand together

Bring cclub0 with you as well if you like, he can get the drinks.

Go on then tell us that if we want a house on Phuket, we can't find one.... Tosser

This thread is so bogus that another thread has been set up to discus this one.

Great posts here.

Gonna come down a bit more as well now. All the 30 day VOA longstays are now counted as 13 tourists per year. This will come down to between 1 and 4 (or none when extensions are granted) a year for those that get sorted and the rest it will come down to about 8.

It seems like Singapore and Thailand are reversing rolls.

Singapore has introduced 24 hour drinking, legalised prostitution and is certainly alot more relaxed about (to quote meadish) didge-playing fishermans pants kind of people, than it ever was, where as Thailand is trying to go in the opposite direction as far as I can tell.

Ah but in Singapore, they are designer hippy pants, armani flip flops and coiffured pony tails.

I hate the pretentious stinking lot of em and would like so lock up anybody that slipped the word like into a sentence more than once an hour. And anybody white with dreadlocks is an even bigger <deleted>. IMHO

India is like so much more their style and we wouldn't have to be like bored to tears listening to their inane drivel on the Bankok Surat overnight train.

Friendly advice.

Boy, you really have a long costly learning experience ahead of you.

Anything at all that you do other than holiday is going to land you in a heap of shit and lose you a ton of money.

Thais voting with their feet.

When Tesco opened there was a choice and people made theirs. These stores are packed out every weekend and evening all over the country. Not many falangs in the majority of them either.

I use the thai shops wherever possible but as time goes on, I tire of outdated stock unsanitary conditions and ancient eggs. All shops are stocked with identical fridges selling identical drinks, crips and snacks, often covered in a layer of dust.

The world owes nobody a living, and its the competition that moves the world forward (for better or for worse). Change (like shit) happens!

Could have a local referendum.

Votes for the new mall 460,899

against 71 (vested interests 68 random lefties 2, passing loon 1)

All superstore development to cease and next years calendars to be dated 1931. Electricity supply to be turned off, E-Mail banned (as taking work from postmen) Skytrain and underground to be closed down and all cars to be scrapped and the metal used to make rims for rose tinted glasses.

Since arriving in Phuket way back in the late 90's, I have seen land prices (1 area for example) in Rawai go from 300,000 baht per Rai to todays price (same land) 7 million baht.

You see Tornado, that's the magic ! x20 in 10 years.

And in 2016, one rai will go for... 140 millions ? I believe this is what you are thinking, isn't it ?

Okay, okay, I'm not very fair, i should remove the inflation.

Anyway, it's the same old story... People will never change.

What goes up must come down. Keep plugging away lads.