fredwiggy

It's a discussion forum, with people taking sides. That's what I'm doing. I know the dangers of this trade and what happens to some and would like to see it stopped. Human trafficking is a pet peeve of mine, as it should be with everyone. The more people that are informed of any wrongdoings, the better chance it will stop.

It actually should bother you what goes on in this trade, seeing that you're involved in it and like the girls. I would think you would do anything to help because they are giving you a nice time. What makes me bizarre wanting to have all women and children treated well? I'm a father with daughters, so I worry about them and all other children. A lot of people come to Thailand looking for under aged children for this. Makes me sick, so I'm thinking it should also you, especially if you also have kids.

I'm not a professional writer. I just read their stories. I don't put people on ignore. People have a right to say their peace. The mods are here to stop the insults.

But they do end, as you can see. Sometimes it takes more than a few words to get your point across, as to not leave out important facts. Kinda like all professional writers do.

Put you on ignore

Social workers aren't invested interests. And if they all say the same thing? I've found many more that go along with the others. Are they all liars, getting paid, wrong, feminists? I'm not arrogant defending my side. Your calling Americans retards is what? What you don't seem to realize is that prostitution, sex workers, or whatever you want to call it, is not a good trade. It's dangerous, has severe psychological impacts on all those involved, people are abused a lot more then you know and some are killed. Human trafficking isn't near a joke. You yourself stated there wasn't anymore violence in it than regular relationships.This is from another link....... It is a job like any other.” Do you know any other job where people face a mortality rate 10 to 40 times above the average? Where 60 to 80% of “workers” experience regular physical and sexual abuse? If this is a job like any other, how come so few women from Western Europe take the opportunity?

Gall is calling people retards without knowing anything about them. It is also a term used by teenagers so. I said billions, okay so it's millions that still use standard. Big deal. I don't shove anything down anyone's throats by saying I'm a believer. If you're going to nitpick, that invites others to do the same. I posted links for others to read. Not my fault if they didn't and are in denial of what constitutes prostitution and the dangers associated with it. If they're going to defend their side, I brought proof to dispute it. If you don't understand that, stay out of the discussion.

Exactly. I put the money I made selling my house in Texas into this one for the wrong woman. Now I need to re establish all over again (at least it'll be the last time) in another house, car, school and area and it'll be starting all over but worth it for my daughter and myself.

I don't see the kind of care for anything here like I do back in the US. Children, animals, enforcement of laws, driving, etc. I see more violence against regular locals than I ever saw back home. One reason is up to 35% of children are left with grandparents while dad disappears and mom goes to the big city to work. Nothing wrong with a grandparent caring for a child, especially if they're capable and still healthy enough, but there is no substitute for a biological parent that cares. And a grandparent full time leaves many to do whatever they want with little discipline after they reach teenage. You see 8 year olds driving a scooter with a sidecar with 3 others little kids in it. That is off the scales irresponsibility. Daily I see a truck transporting children to school, packed inside and up to 12 sitting on the top of the truck. Waiting for an accident that could kill a dozen in a second. I've had at least 7 dogs that called my house home poisoned by some sick individual that doesn't like dogs running around the country. There are laws on the books here that are overlooked in favor of a cash payout. If this changed, and punishments were handed out, especially harsh ones against those who hurt children, it might help the society's future. If I could leave today with my daughter I would, but it takes time to move, again, to re establish back home. It will be in the best interest of my daughter as she will have a much better future than what she would have here.

Try researching before guessing, or listening to other clueless friends for your misinformation. Calling someone ignorant without knowing them, and basing your name calling on information you got from where? Talking to a few prostitutes or friends? Try looking things up, then looking up more to see if they match, before making a reply. 99% came without enticement? Where do you get your figures. making them up for sure. I have provided links for others to see the real stories. there are many more. If you have a computer, try it yourself. It's called research. beats word of mouth. Leave God out of this. Morality doesn't need his help. It's a human trait some don't care to follow. And you're yet another one who thinks I look down on prostitutes, after seeing me say I feel sorry for them. They are not any lower than anyone. Everyone on earth has worth. The prostitute has as much worth as you, I, Donald trump or any king or billionaire. Some just act very bad. Many stay in the trade while leaving children home with grandma. This is wrong, as they could easily stay at home raising those kids and working locally so it's not a valid excuse. It costs more to stay in a big city than it does at home. Those ones aren't making a good choice. Still doesn't mean they are lower class. It just means they aren't acting right. What's funny is seeing so many promoting this trade as if it's normal behavior to buy sex. They think because they pay a few baht to get off in a woman who might have had 100 or more partners before them is okay, not ever seeing what's behind the scenes. Guessing you know what goes on from talking to a few hookers isn't research. there are those, like the links have shown, social workers, who are out there trying to help these people either get away from this trade, or help them cope while being in it. If you bothered to read the link I posted here, you might see that these people aren't having as much "fun" as you think, and many are suffering mentally because of it. Again ,read more, talk less, learn, then comment. Every reply I see promoting this trade shows the forum just how some think here, and it doesn't look good to people who regard women as wives and girlfriends and not objects to purchase.

It's easy to blame others, as sometimes it is a lack of direction and respect that should be taught at home. There are many households here without fathers and the same thing happens here that does in the US, where gun violence is out of hand. They look at the parents there and find out they are hard working law abiding church goers who have a son who goes out with one of his dad's hunting rifles and shoot kids in a school. You might expect this from a low income family with no father around, but that isn't always the case. It's mental illness. This can happen in any family, though it does happen more when a father isn't around or is abusive or neglecting his children. Watching soap operas does give you a false show of life, as it doesn't really happen that way in real life, besides the hitting of women and yelling. When a child sees his dad hit his mom, it's normal to him. When they see their teacher hitting the students with a stick to keep them in line, it's okay to use sticks to hit others, and this is how a coward is created. The only thing that can be done is harsh punishment, because this behavior is going to escalate more and more here the more they let some get away with just a small fine because they are under aged.

You'll have to find a restaurant that makes food in a healthy manner. There are many who use old oil, too much sugar and salt. Tell them exactly what you want and don't want. It's your food so letting them know how you'd like it prepared tells them you are concerned with what you are eating. Of course some won't understand nor care. I ask for mi pet all the time, just a little chili, and to some this means throw three in when I mean one. Some understand a foreigner usually isn't eating very hot food so they'll know. Keeping the amount of rice you eat small helps, as this is what they over do a lot here because it's a staple here. If you like chicken , eating it instead of pork saves some calories. Tell them no skin added. You can communicate through your phone if they don't understand English. Stay away from fried rice to save more calories. Of course making your own food is always best but I'm sure you mean eating out.

Only problem there is I'm not writing garbage but some definitely are. They just don't realize how wrong they are because they're in the game.

That's just it, nothing you have written is important, nor helping in any way. You're attacking me, somehow thinking your side of this argument is right, mainly because you're a john and can justify your behavior somehow.

I asked you to name one. Trust me, you're way outta your league here bud.

Try to understand what I write. Again, I am not judging, as that's Gods deal. My saying something is wrong is based on what I see, and hear, about what happens to a lot of these working girls, where they came from, why they got into the trade, and the lowlifes behind human trafficking and coercion. If you're an adult, surely you know the only way things are changed for the better is by complaining about them, If enough complain, to the right people, things get changed, for one reason or another. I don't like seeing women and children being victims of this trade? Do you? If you do, surely it's you that has some deep issues, maybe related to who taught you the lack of respect for others. Don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do. I answer to only God. If you bothered to read the links I provided you might see what goes on behind the scenes, after you leave your lady of the evening. It's not wine and roses by any means. You seem not to understand the psychological impact this trade puts on people. Saying I have massive issues when I'm only wanting to see women and children safe shows you have absolutely no idea about this problem, nor care because like others, it benefits you.

Trust me, I know all about what evil a woman is capable of, and I also know how good some are. I've been with both types. Some I dated I would have loved to stay with, but they didn't want children or their careers were taking them away, so that ended that. I have made very bad choices in women that hurt not only myself, but the children we made. I got custody because I was the only parent these children had, but the relationship brought these kids into the world, so it still had some success.

I had many relationships that ended. They aren't failures if, like savethefrogs alluded to, two grew apart because their futures didn't coincide. I'm not here telling anyone what to do. I'm saying what I think is wrong behavior. People will do anything they want and justify their actions for a number of reasons, whether its bad or good behavior, and it has nothing to do with what I think. I'm actually right on in my thinking. Yours just happens to be wrong. I, again, am not judging. I'm telling it like it is. This trade hurts most of those involved in it, and some lose their lives. This doesn't make it good just because it's the world's oldest profession. There are many things accepted in life that hurt others. I'm single because I'm still waiting for the right one to marry, which is something I want to happen again. I'm only bored with Thailand because I can't enjoy my hobbies out here in Isaan. I'm not bored with life. I have a good girlfriend i didn't pay for, so I'm happy with her. This adds up to not being lonely, but it seems you're one of the many adults that have to assume to bolster your ego, thinking they are somehow superior to me. Trust me, you aren't. A person that has to buy women has the issues. Everyone has some issues, including you, so get off it. And I can give advice about some things because I have knowledge in them, just as all others do in their lives. My wanting women and children safe is what any normal man should want. If you think this trade is a safe one, it's you that's very very far off base.

Name one, seeing there are dozens.

The normal ones know normal, and are on my side. The ones that think this trade is normal, and what they are doing is okay, won't. Birds of a feather. In all my life, the only people I can't relate to , or vice-versa, have been very disturbed individuals, narcissists and those who intentionally hurt others, so which group are you in? It doesn't matter how many would vote, as the answer is the same. Mentally ill people cannot relate to normal, moral thinkers, because they are, not normal. Take time, look through all my posts. You'll see that I'm usually here to help others in topics I know something about, or I'm defending women or children, or telling it like it is living here, as many others also do. I'm not a troll, narcissist, racist, prejudiced or trying to hurt anyone.

Something which has gone over the heads of some here that only know paying. Nothing wrong with multiple relationships until you find the one that you'll want to stay with the rest of your life. Casual sex happens because we are human animals with an attraction to others of the opposite gender, or some with the same. It's very hard to date a person for years without sex happening, although it's still probably the best choice, as taking time to get to know the other person is always better, and sex clouds judgement. Been there, as most have. Having a good relationship with someone for 2 years and having it end, mutually, because your futures didn't align is still a success. You didn't part enemies, you just grew apart. Some choose hookers because they haven't the skills to find a regular woman. Some want to cheat on their partners but still keep them for whatever reasons. Some are older and can't find a younger woman because they haven't enough cash to support her greed. Some go after hookers to control or dominate them, and think paying for them allows them this behavior. And one group is far more sinister and leaves some in a very bad place.

He's referring to paying for sex. This is something I did a couple of times before I turned 19. It wasn't, or isn't, about my skills. It's about having both people on the same page for that long term relationship. Most relationships fail, as divorce rates can attest, and many more stay in relationships where they are abused, neglected or because they fear finance loss. I know full well how to support, love, protect and care for a woman. The ones I married didn't have any idea what makes a relationship work but only learned how to use or hurt, this from their parents. Again, it takes two, with like interests, at least some, future alike plans, realistic expectations, knowing what loyalty means, and how to communicate. If one does it all, and the other doesn't, it doesn't work, or it will be very hard to maintain. Being an adult, you already should know these things, and not need to comment on others relationships because you would understand how hard maintaining a relationship is. That it takes two. Yes, you assumed, and it wasn't right.

I've met thousands, and talked to many, but why would I want to meet those involved in this trade? I like a woman that has self esteem, isn't forced or coerced into sleeping with multiple men for money, or isn't doing it because she had such a hurtful childhood that's what is normal to her. I feel sorry for them, because what's obvious to me is lost to you. These are victims of men, who are still being victims of men, and you seem to think because they are getting money for this that somehow they are happy or proud of what they do.Because you're involved in it, you think it's normal behavior paying for sex. It isn't. There are other ways to get a girl for casual sex, unless you don't know how. In Thailand, it's a duty to help take care of your elders, and some are doing this out of a duty, no matter what they have to do to get it done. What's nonsense is those supporting this behavior, thinking it is somehow normal because so many are involved in it. You pay your 1000 baht, get off, then leave, not knowing at all what is going through their minds, how they live or how they feel about themselves, because again, you don't care because you got off. If you bothered to read up on this and see what's really behind all of this trade, the people involved, and how many are hurt permanently and killed, either by others or their own hands, you might not think it's all nonsense, or again, you still might not care. Thinking all of these "books" are BS lets you escape to your life thinking it's okay doing what you're doing, at least I didn't abuse her, rape her or kill her. Fact is, these studies are done by those involved, talking to these women, and seeing what they are going through, and how they can help. The difference between you and I is I have a conscience. You and a few others here will always justify your actions, because your only objective is to get laid, cheap, and not think about what's left behind, just as a player does with regular women. Wash your hands, like Pontius Pilate, now it doesn't affect me any longer. You couldn't be more wrong yourself.

Again, another assuming what someone knows. You ever hear of gossip? You think others here actually look up to those in this trade? Or that anyone actually cares what others do here if it doesn't benefit them.Do you think you can see beyond the smiles of anyone here and know how they really feel inside? Ever wonder why so many commit suicide here? And how many are involved in this trade that are addicted to drugs. I'm guessing you don't really care about these women and what kind of life they are sometimes are forced to live, or think they are. Just as long as you can benefit from it also. I live in the same world that you do, but you're blind about what goes on, and I'm aware. Funny how so many can justify a business where the employees are victims, but hey, at least they can get off cheap without thinking of the consequences of their actions.

You don't seem to be aware that the UK isn't in any way superior to the US, and again, since you're not fully understanding, the US is not a single entity but a conglomeration of all countries in one place. This means that it shares the customs of all countries. Having a standard of measurement that billions use, and are comfortable with, along with also using metric, means it again, adopts things from other countries. A pissing contest doesn't matter to me, because I'm not prejudiced against any other country, meaning we are all equal.