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8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:
dreaming up issues with the vaccines
Dreams, LOL...I am dreaming when I whisper sweet covid nothings.
Seems to aggravate you when I say something and do my level best to corroborate it, especially when you can't argue or deny the facts as truth. I have a problem with people who cannot accept my "dreams" that are backed up with the truth and show to be evidenced by various web based fact checks and documented by reputable sources.
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13 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:nearly zero about how to stop the spread of the virus
What exactly have you done "about how to stop the spread of the virus", anything ....and compare it to what you know about me, and what I did or didn't do to "stop the spread..." just don't make it up, just facts, what you know and can prove. If anything I have vastly exceeded your glaring shortsightedness by your constant jumping up and down screaming and bashing EVERYONE who doesn't agree with your vaccine comments. I don't have solution but I look beyond these low VE "vaccines" that don't prevent the spread, and I talk about therapeutics, alternate treatments, new 2nd GEN vaccines, all reality based, perhaps a viable and valuable addition to hopefully more effective vaccines. What have u offered?
If by NOT agreeing with you and others here on the forum is not helping to stop the virus then you need to have a serious coming to reality moment.
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17 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:
Moderna said early lab trials show its booster can raise antibody levels 37 fold and "should provide good protection against the omicron variant," Stephen Hoge, Moderna's president,
Should? And I "should" believe Mr Moderna,,,,LoL. They have been saying that since vaccine inception but,;
hundreds of 100,000's of people vaccinated are infected with delta, omicron, alpha, etc after 1, 2 3, 4 doses of mRNA and other vaccines.
These vaccines do nothing to prevent infection from covid variants, especially omicron now. Everybody, you me, them everybody, even your pet lion (if you have one) will get this damn omicron if it's so much more contagious than previous variants. The vaccines ARE NOT STOPPING INFECTION....!
Where is your proof it does? Well, we both know there is none.
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Just now, i84teen said:
That is simply not even a possibility.
Check it out, I think it's very possible.
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1 minute ago, Credo said:I think the one who doesn't get it is you. You are implying that one dose of a vaccine that doesn't cause ADE and still doesn't with two doses will suddenly do so with a 3rd booster. That is simply not even a possibility.
Your insinuation is nothing more than casting aspersions on the vaccines and boosters. You did so on the vaccine, now you're zeroing in on the booster.
Maybe so, let me check a few things. I think I read a while back that ADE is a significant concern.
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2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:well tested
You don't get it, it's completely unknown what happens if the boosters produce antigens that may be harmful (ADE), thus the need for clinical data. Read the Pfizer clinical trial in the link below. It covers a lot of safety parameters.
Covid is last thing on my worry list. I'll let you worry for me.
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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:
This study/trial assesses how well boosters may work with Astrazeneca wrt immunogencity (Immune response) and assess any immediate adverse reactions such as fever, pain, itch, fatigue, chills, muscle ache etc, see Figure 2.,"Between June 1 and June 30, 2021, 33498 people were screened"THIS IS A Clinical Trial (>43,000 participants), completion; MAY 2023
:https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04368728
and here (same CT #C4591001):
https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/2020-11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020.pdf
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3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:
proper studies
What studies are you referring to? Clinical trials? Have a link?
I believe the Phase 2/3 segments are ongoing and will be completed in 2023.
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13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:Your links all relate to SA and has as been discussed the data from that country may for numerous significant reasons not translate to the experiences of other nations
And why would it, S Africa is one of a only a few country's currently with omicron as the dominant variant, Botswana is close at 48%. I have checked and no countries are reporting sharp increases in hospitalizations yet, but somewhere I read that >70% of new infections in US now (Date Expl reports about 20%) are omicron variant but hospitals are not reporting increased hospitalizations that I can see. Very infections indeed, like an R1.5 or higher, but not associated with severe illness to speak of.
As for booster shots, there have been no clinical trials to assess its safety and efficacy anywhere in the world AFAIK.
We should first gather the clinical data of the third dose so that we can make out how safe and effective it is. Without proper studies, I would not take an untested booster vaccine. There is always the risk of Antibody-dependent Enhancement (ADE).To each his own though.
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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:
How fast is it filling hospital beds
I don't believe hospitals are filling up with omicron patients as of today's reports, neither are the morgues.
Use your common sense in protecting yourself against covid as you normally do.
- "Omicron Isn’t Fueling Surge in Hospitalizations: Virus Update"
- Omicron surge is causing far less hospitalization than Delta did, South Africa minister says: 1.7% instead of 19%"
- Early data suggests South Africa’s Covid hospitalizations are lower in the Omicron wave, but caveats apply.
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The omicron situation is waning in strength and has mild symptoms similar to the common cold.
- New cases are dropping now in S Africa.
- Delta cases are surging across Europe, USA and other highly vaccinated countries
- Covid death rates in S Africa are lower than Thailand and a fraction of death rates in Europe, USA and many other highly vaccinated countries
- omicron infections are increasing dramatically in NY and NJ where it accounts for 13% of covid cases in those states despite high vaccination rates.
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WHO advises caution: “Do not underestimate Omicron”
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CDC officials said they do not yet have estimates of how many hospitalizations or deaths are due to omicron
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UK reports 12 deaths on 12,133 omicron cases
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U.S. records first death believed related to Omicron variant**
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** extensive searches reveal no know omicron deaths aside from one noted above
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"Omicron cases are expected to peak in a matter of weeks...."
I am no expert, so I don't know how deadly omicron is or will become but at this time it's nowhere near as lethal as Delta (numbers speak for themselves) when considering the case fatality rate especially in S Africa and UK and only mild cold like symptoms and no severe illness's, infections, etc noted till date.
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5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
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6 hours ago, ozimoron said:
The Lancet study does not support your argument.
"In our cohort of densely sampled household contacts exposed to the delta variant, "
"our findings suggest that vaccination alone is not sufficient to prevent all transmission of the delta variant in the household setting, where exposure is close and prolonged."
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On 11/16/2021 at 4:51 PM, Jeffr2 said:
I read credible media outlets. Lots of articles here have been posted for your review.
You and the rest are wrong as usual. Viral loads are similar in both vaxxed and normal people.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext#seccestitle160
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On 11/16/2021 at 12:56 AM, Jeffr2 said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/11/world/europe/germany-covid-unvaccinated.html
Germany’s Fourth Covid Wave: ‘A Pandemic of the Unvaccinated’
Germany once set an example for how to manage the coronavirus. Now, deep pockets of vaccine resistance are helping drive daily infections to new heights.
"In Germany, the rate of symptomatic COVID-19 cases among the fully vaccinated (“breakthrough infections”) is reported weekly since 21. July 2021 and was 16.9% at that time among patients of 60 years and older [[2]]. This proportion is increasing week by week and was 58.9% on 27."
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext?s=08
People need to stop blaming and trying to shame the non vaccinated. The narrative you are attempting to shape about pandemic of unvaccinated has become an untenable position with the evidence and factual data supporting refuting that. Should just stop and focus instead on being fact based and more helpful.
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Should be numbers on omicron occurrence soon now that PCR test identifies omicron variant.
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11 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:
Thats because the damned government is the middle man.
They could have ordered a year ago.
There paying more for the useless Chinese vaccines than the mRNA vaccines because they get a kickback.
There blocking private hospitals and Universities from buying there own.
Your in lala land.
I know groups of both Thai and foreigner's who paid private hospitals for moderna vaccines. Universities buy vaccines? As I understand it, only governments can purchase emergency vaccines (EAU) due to liability issues. As far as kickbacks, sounds like conjecture and I ask you provide proof of that in the FT link article.
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Thailand has about the same amount of eligible people vaccinated (close to 57%) as many western countries, USA included. Thailand also has an AZ vaccine production facility but I am unsure what amounts are apportioned for domestic use and shared to Astra.
3rd doses are currently underway.
Well, what is all the idiocy you refer to?
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27 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:
Simple
If it were so simple maybe more than 43% of the world would have been fully vaccinated. The wealthier nations are on their 3rd and 4th booster shots and African nations, other low income countries and even Thailand struggle to secure adequate 1st dose vaccine supply.
In the vaccine efficacy waning and vaccination coverage algorithm, the consensus on reaching herd immunity requires a very high vaccine efficacy at low vaccination levels. We know vaccines are losing efficacy after a few months along with their ability to prevent transmission, hospitalizations and even death now. Effective therapeutic treatments are required now, vaccines seemingly may not provide a path to herd immunity without them. There are new vaccines still in testing which may prove beneficial, one such vaccine is Novavax.
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39 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:
Ordering enough vaccines for your population is an idea that escapes Anutin.
He is ordering Molnupiravir, developed by US drug companies Merck, Sharp and Dohme (MSD) and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics.
He may be on the correct path in combining new covid medications and vacines to focus on treating covid patients as endemic status is certainly on the horizon with covid amidst effects of lower efficacy and waning mRNA vaccines and the new variants (B.1.1.529/Omicron which has been identified only in fully vaccinated thus far). The vaccines alone seem not to be the panacea we all thought and need to be augmented with therapeutics.
https://www.thephuketnews.com/government-to-order-2-million-molnupiravir-pills-81976.php
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19 minutes ago, placeholder said:
vaccine inoculations there
20 minutes ago, placeholder said:. So your aggregate figures
Oh but they do, they are much more fact based than uncorroborated fake news comments and FYI phuket is an island located no less than 332 nautical miles from Pattaya, and who mentioned Phuket? You trying to throw a little confusion into the mix?
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3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:
and in a city with a low vaccination rate.
If you are referring to Pattaya City, do you know the reported vaccination rate there? What is a "low vaccine rate" in your world?
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18 minutes ago, cdemundo said:
word of some crazy website.
Maybe it's "crazy" only if you don't like what they say, but considering MSN is considered Left-Center biased, it should be fit for service in your world.
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SIN: *density: ~8,000/ km2
HK: density: ~7,126/km2
HK Vax rate: 57%
SIN vax rate: 78%
However, SIN's 7 day covid rate is >700 times that of HK and 8 times that of Monaco. Further, did you know the pop den. of Monaco is 19,700/km2 and it's vaccination rate is 59% (less than SIN vax rate & MUCH lower covid infection).
https://tinyurl.com/hk-sin-mon
https://tinyurl.com/vax-3-country
*https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density
I use the data available online as do most and in this case the source is Oxford World of Data. I study the graphs, the data, ID trends, anomalies, etc. for interests sake and feeding them to you now. Look em up yourself, check the graph reading instructions I sent earlier if you need assistance.
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Delta variant accounts for 100% of all cases in Indonesia and SIN now but with only 21% fully vaccinated in Indonesia (vs. Singapore’s 78% fully vaccination rate), the rate of 7 day covid infection is 117 times higher in Singapore despite a vaccination rate almost 4 times higher than Indonesia. These charts can promote deeper research, testing, modeling, and historical data analysis to derive better understanding.
If you are having problems reading simple graphs, have a look here.
http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/dolciani/pdf_files/brushup-materials/understanding-how-to-read-graphs.pdf
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SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
in COVID-19 Coronavirus
Posted · Edited by i84teen
Whoa, those are your deluded words, NOT MINE and a serious accusation and likely against the forum rules noted above. I defy you to show proof af that false accusation or take it down.
As well, you attempted to challenge me with the above quote which I responded to with an explanation but you failed to follow up when I queried you, again you deflect, fail to provide facts relevant to the veracity of my claims and resort instead to this deflection and obfuscating and then outright misstating what I said here on the forum. You should stop making up false postings and claims here, what remains of any reputation you may have had is in the toilet now and about to get flushed.
You are out of line.