Maizefarmer

I have been looking after a cat which just turned up at my garden about 6 months ago. However a couple of months ago it started to loose a lot of wieght so i took it to the vets. The vet gave her a course of anti biotic injections and said she had a bad mouth infection. She recoverd quite well and put back on most of her wieght. Unfortunately she has got sick again. This time the vet took blood tests and said she also had a kidney infection and a sort of feline type 'aids'.

I asked the vet if she would recover and she said she would have some relief but need constant vet care. The next obvious question was - 'would it not be better to have her put to sleep' The vet said that her practice wouldn't put an animal to sleep. She said if we didn't want to bring her back for further treatment then we should just let her die. I obviously think to let her die in agony would be a terrible inhumane thing.

However, I think she may be acting on her religious beliefs not to kill!

Anyhow I personally think it would be more humane to have her put to sleep - considering her problems. Mouth ulcers. kidney problems and feline aids. Does anyone have any advice or any info as to where (if i decide best) to have her put to sleep - I live in Pattaya.

Thanks

Comments from the wife ... who is a vet in Thailand:

Firstly, she is a little sceptical about the diagnosis you have been given - in particular as you have said nothing about a blood test of any sort been done - so what you have been told is somewhat vague to say the least, and could be explained a better. With that said, another thing to keep in mind is that there are Thai's who practise animal husbandry, but who also present themselves as vets (which may explain why no blood test was undertaken, and why they were reluctant to put the animal down - pentobarbital is a tightly controlled drug in Thailand, which even real vets have to account for.). Not common in urban areas, but in rural areas where vets can be sparsely spread, it happens quite a bit. Question: in view of the vague diagnosis you have been given, this was a real vet you took the cat to(?).

In any event a couple general pictures and some closeups of mouth (open), teeth, eyes, underbellow and any info on the anti-biotics that were perscribed last time round - will allow her to express an opinion regards the animals' general condition and possibilites regards just what is wrong with the cat (emphasize on possibilities).

If you are wanting to put it down - that is decided is it? - there are vets in/around Pattaya who will do the job - if you can't find one, drop me a PM and the wife will give you an intro to a vet in the area who will do the job, and who will also give you a proper diagnosis.

While by no means wishing to encourage the practice, if you are caught out with the animal suffering real bad over a weekend and can;t get hold of a vet to do the job - ask your other half to find a neighbour with a small caliber handgun - will do the job instantly - and if not inclined to go about it like that, a dose of any [human] narcotic pain killer tab (morphine sulphate tab 100mg/or equi-dose of any other narcotic pain killer - crushed up finely and mixed into a little food on an empty stomach) will do the job (meaning: without suffering). I hate seeing animals suffer - there are debates regards just what pain wild animals feel when preyed upon (adrenalin and other biochemistry mechanisms kick in with shock that researches believe may well relieve pain perception), but all indications and research indicates that domesticated mammals dying of cancer or other drawn out illnesses, percieve pain and suffer from it in the much same way as humans.

Ponds side by side tend to establish equlibrium - of course the distance between them is a factor and you don't say how far apart they are spread (?)

R U sure it ain't leaking through the floor of the pond - in either case its a fair amount of clay that will be needed unless you can of course id exactly where the leak is.

Any dense clay should do the job, but plastic lining may well be an easier applied alternative (?).

Maizefarmer, it cannot be said that Thai immigration will ask for both passports as a rule. Flying into Bangkok, my wife and son have never been asked by Thai immigration for the non-Thai passport and never been questioned about the absence of the entry and exit stamps of another country when flying between Thailand and another country.

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Maestro

Always asked me - thats my experiance of the matter. Thanks for sharing yours

"Vomiting to his interagators ....." - he'll be more than vomiting by the time the Sri Lankan spooks have finished interviewing him.

Its no secret the TT have used Thailand for years as a logistic base: remember the homemade submarine incident about 10 -12 years ago.

Makes you wonder just how many fugitives from justice are skulking here in Thailand. I knw of at least two farangs living locally who have let it be known that they dare not return to their countries because they know that they would be arrested as soon as they arrived at the airport.

.... I would think quite a few.

There are 2 types - both used in Thailand:

Thermal Foggers - and the chemical is pesmethrin " 0.2% concentration

Cold Foggers - which use pyrethrins at around 0.5% (if I recall correctly).

The net has loads of info on both compounds written up

Auto-erotic asphyxiation - bad news for the conspiracy theorists: not withstanding the fact that its is subject with stigma attached to it - and relatives often prefer a verdict of murder or suicide than Auto-erotic asphyxiation (which is why folk don't like to admit it happen to someone close to to them), from a forensic pathology perspective, Bernard Knight lays the matter out in his 584page tome (Forensic Pathology ISBN 0-7131-4550-1 Pages 359 - 360 - my wife has the book - no, don't ask me why - she's a vet!) makes the observation that they are crystal clear cases and easily seperated from suicide and/or foul play (murder).

For those interested - see below: pictures deleated to keep MOD's happy.

Those who want high res unedited versiosn - PM me and I will send them to you by email.

..... its like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted - its all a bit late now.

How many illegals in the UK? - its in the millions isn't it? - and they will never get them all out.

ON BBC WORLD SERVICE - read on:

A couple weeks back BBC World Service reported a UK Border Agency staff bus (bringing Border Agency staff back to Dover from Calais) unwittingly brought over an illegal immigrant who had concealed himself on the chassis behind one of the underslung fuel tanks. When the bus stopped in Dover town centre, he crawled out from underneath and ran off - with the driver in pursuit (who failed to catch him).

A similar example a few months back cited junior army officers heaing back to Sandhurst from a trip to France (via Dover/Calais) - this illegal though had the cheek to seat himself on the bus amongst the officers!!! - it was not until the bus got back to Sandhurst that the game was up and he was caught*

* - Sandhurst Military training college for the benefit of those who don't know, hosts military officers from many commonwealth and non-commonwelath countries, to include Mid East countries like Iraq, Saudi and UAE states - so the presence of an Arab looking male was not unusual (the illegal in this case, if I remember correctly was a Kurd) - still, its clear that the bus was probably just waved through both sides of the channel.

What is the "catch rate"?

I've been told by folk in the know that, optimisticaly, the BA thinks that at Dover it is around 1 for every 10 that get through, but its more likely to be something like 1 for every 20-30 that get through - simply because its logistically impossible to inspect every truck.

Yes - show both - Immigration will ask for it in any case.

I am always asked for both my daughters passports - the reason: the Thai passport will have an exit stamp (when they left Thailand), but there will be no entry or exit stamp in the Thai Passport for the country they subsequently flew to when leaving Thailand. Thai Immigration like to see that info before stamping the child back in on their Thai passport.

My understand has always been that if you are found quilty by a Thai Court of any crime regardless of how insignificant or minor, you will be deported!

http://www.stickmanweekly.com/ThailandVisa...lacklisting.htm

Best thing is to ask your embassy what to expect if you're found guilty then you can prepare?

No truth to that at all - none what so ever - there may be examples of that with respect to certain criminal and civil offenses, that I won't dispute but a criminal or civil record does not automaticaly equate to deportation. If stickman said stick your head in the fire, would ? - nope. Stickman certainly has a lot of knowledge of Thailand and his website is a gold mine of some very useful and indeed accurate info, but on that point I must disagree.

I tell youwhat tends to happen in Thailand: have an accident with Thai and there is a good chance, because you are an ex-pat and percieved to have siginifant funds, that irrespective of fault, they are going to chase you for civil restitution - meaning "money" - but ultimately it is the court that decides that, it its up to the accused to challenge any claim made against them.

First of all the problem most expats face in a traffic accident is not knowing how to handle the matter - in reality, so long as you go about handling the matter the right way you are no more liable than a Thai would be in the same circumstances, are can expect to be treated in much the same way.

That ex-pats feel or find themselves always been at fault because they are ex-pats should not happen if things are handled the right way - and don't let the cops "blame" you if you feel you are not at blame - don;t give in - stick it out.

As for insurance - yes, insurance is a big thing: firstly, its an offense to drive in Thailand without it, you open yourself up to all sorts of liability and cliams, so make sure your insurance (and license) are in order.

Getting kicked out of Thailand? - has nothing to do with Immigration and I personally have yet to hear of a case in which Immigration have been standing outside a court waiting to deport a foreigner for a traffic offence or accident.

Communication communication communication ... is usualy the problem.

And she's suprized to be caught - single Thai woman arriving in Germany (anywhere in Europe actually) from South America is going to stick out to customs like a sore thumb.

my tgf want me to buy her a shop selling girls underware. would it be cheaper just to give her allowance of 150$ a month. i dont see her making much.

Buy her a shop -or finance a shop rental contract and initial stock? Better than a resturant - from what other ex-pats tell me they tend to be never-ending money pits.

Why not - so long as she has the determination and self discipline to make a success of the business (because thats what it is - it is a business, and will have to be run like one to be a success), it may be a jolly good idea.

Ask her about the "business plan" - and if not get her to do some research on possible stock sources (loads of cheap undies factories in Thailand), local pricing, get her to understand what she is going to have to do to beat other sellers in the area, plan out a budget ect ect ..... all the usual stuff associated with getting a business up and running properly.

It may well generate more than a 150bucks a month for the household.

Found the PC research farm.

It is at the 15k marker and about 8/9 k's from the park entrance and also has a sign out the front saying 'bee research station' in thai.

Easy to find as it is just past the police box, then on a sweeping left hand bend there are numerous plant stalls on the right for 200m and right at the last stall is the driveway into the place.

Have to go back during the week but as we went on the weekend and nobody about....even the bees looked to have disappeared for the weekend.

The plant stalls are relatively new - weren't there last time I was there.

Sweeping left hand bend going slightly uphill (?) - how from that field I was describing? If I am not mistaken the left hand side of hte road at this point is pretty narrow and steep (no space to put anything).

Good glad you found it. - actually those hives are pretty typical of bee hives in Thailand (i.e. not like Europeab swarms - a lot smaller).

Neither - they are talking about large multi-nationals with hundreds of millions of forex to spend - the sorts of organisations that come in and take over land in 100 000 rai sizes - that is the sort of "business" that worries the Thai authorities.

mmmmm .... I think I get what you are saying - not sure, but I don;t see it working in Thailand only because I have never seen food source densities that would support such production methods.

In the Chang Mai/ Chang Rai region (the best part of Thailand for bee keeping) hive yields don;t go much above 10kg's per year - quite low by European standards.

In respect of fresh milk - yes, most fresh milk production in Thailand is consumed by foreigners, but thats where it stops: fresh milk accounts for around 25% of Thai dairy output. the rest goes into cheese, yogurts, dried milk products, food processing ect ect .... and nearly all of this is based on the Thai consumer and their requirements. In short, its somewher between 90 - 95% of Thai dairy output is consumed by Thai's - the majoirty of it been in cheese and icecream products.

I’ve also noticed that the recently the % of protein as listed on the package has gone down in all Thai milk brands. I wonder if this has something to do with them no longer use the Chinese “melamine“ enriched milk powder.

No melamine in Thai milk - that is a dead cert at the moment, but I've had my suspicions in the past regards imported dried dairy products because as you have quite correctly noted melamine does indeed distort protein levels.

The fresh milk sold in Thailand (e.g Foermost, Chok Chai, Thai Danish ect ect ....) is all essentialy the same and exclusively from cows. The differance in taste between it and we get in Europe, USA and NZ & Australia is down to differenaces in processing - in Thailand homongenisation pressures are higher, and pasturisation temps/periods are slightly different because of local conditions.

What about dilution? - good question: if it does occur, its illegal (and its easy to test for so I doubt any of the big names would risk it).

Thailand a colony - when, since when was Thailand ever colanised? - occupied on a temp basis (more than once), yes, but never colonised.

... and on the issue of foreigners growing rice, raising livestock or whatever - their are legal ways for foreigners to participate in the Thai ag industry, what the Post has not written up very well, and needs to explain to its readers, is that this issue is about distortion of the food and land pricing - the unchallengable wealth (at least by Thai standards) of Mid and Far East concerns manipulating local market economics by putting disproportionatly large sums of money on the table to buy exclusive use of land to grow crops which are then, instead of been on the open market, are then exclusively processed, packaged and distributed in Japan, Qautar, Saudi ... and wherever else.

This is what the Thai authroities are seeking to put a stop to.

The amount of milk in ones diet, as an overall part of diet, really has very little effect on overall indivdual weight.

"Noisy stomach" - stomach struggling to break down the fat and milk protein: its what lot of Thai's suffer from - and quite badly so - which is why raw milk sales are not permitted in Thailand. By and large Asians do not have the gene that is needed, but that can and does change over time - the body adapts, and as that tolerance increase we are seeing more and more dairy products consumed in Thailand year on year. It's a growing market.

Not that I know about - but this has been mentioned before on the forum: would you care to share how the system works - how do you manage 2 queens in a hive, and how do you manage swarming instinct?

No issue - if anyone is guilty of not reading threads properly on occassion, its me.

The child is automatically a UK citizen? - are we sure about this?

My understanding is that the child may well qualify for citizenship, but an application has to be made first before the citizenship is granted. Someone correct me if I am wrong on this.

As for "dual nationality" issues (which I am sure about): in respect of Thailand its a non-issue nowadays - Thailand doesn;t object to Thai's having another citizenship, but what dual nationals need to keep in mind (yes - I know its not part of the original question, but it always comes up) is that, not withstanding their other citizenship they are legally Thai citizens if/when in Thailand - and the old trick of entering into Thailand using the other citizenship passport/ID is firstly illegal and secondly, offers the individual no "protection" or "right" to claim or use that other citizenship.

Nakachalet - didn;t the OP say rice - I think he's looking for someone clued up on rice.