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On 4/16/2024 at 12:12 AM, BangkokReady said:

 

You can't show that I am displaying any bias, as I have not done so.  I have merely comment on what is in the article.

 

You are wrong on all counts.

Well, now you have:

On 4/17/2024 at 7:21 PM, BangkokReady said:

 

Whatever they get, they'll still want more.  That's the pattern it follows.  "We're oppressed and we need this one small thing to help us.  OK, thanks for that.  But we're still oppressed and need this one small thing to help us."

 

I feel bad for the LGBs, as they just want equality, while their cause is kind of being high-jacked.

Those are your words. Like I said before, your bias is showing.

Then adding fake sympathy to injury, or shall I say, hypocrisy: "I feel bad for the LGBs,...their cause is kind of being high-jacked." There is a word for pushing one (sub-) group against another, it's called "snitch." They (the trans) are not hi-jacking the gay cause. It's the likes of you that are doing it. And the same manner you are hell-bent on pushing your propaganda that somehow gays want their same sex marriage to be regarded as "man-woman" marriage. Insidious.

19 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Is having someone like you implying that I blow other men is supposed to make me feel bad? That's hilarious. 

 

Always take things literally, that's your weak point. Dummies tend to say "hilarious' when they run out of argument. Another fast friend of yours also used the same tactic. (This one 's specialty however is in the pot calling the kettle black, as shown in "we were over-educting our idiots."  Yeah this bloke loves to make up new words...)

On 4/9/2024 at 9:43 AM, TroubleandGrumpy said:

That is funny - sanctimonious and hilarious - thanks for the early morning laugh.   Many years ago a bloke said the biggest problem in the West was that we were over-educting our idiots. Me thinks you fit into that group mate. 

On 4/20/2024 at 10:41 PM, AndyAndyAndy said:

I'm still a pure blood. Although living in a foreign country, Thailand, traveling around and to Europe, they still didn't get me.

Pure baloney is more like it. You can always leave it to the anti-vax, read anti-science, read pro-faux-science brigade to come up with their own brand of premium-grade crapola.

FYI, The only person whose blood can be considered "pure" is Dracula. He was born with a self-purifying blood system, genetically traceable to the still thriving local bats (according to a tourist-guide whom I hired during my jaunt through the Eastern Bloc this summer...)

1 hour ago, Robert Paulson said:

 

The nobody else is the people not taking the booster. Go look up the booster uptake, it’s not like I’m making this up. And no. No it doesn’t.

 

 

"Go look up the booster uptake" =>> Deflect.

"And no. No it doesn’t" =>> Deny

23 hours ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

I'm still a pure blood. Although living in a foreign country, Thailand, traveling around and to Europe, they still didn't get me. And they won't get me with this one either. 

But who cares? Really, who cares. Or if you want people to know, why don't you wear a button  or something to that effect  So they know when to apply social-distancing. That will be a great service to mankind.

45 minutes ago, QuantumQuandry said:

I am not eating rice, Asia!  You will not get me! lol

Sorry, but you're not wanted from us rice eaters. 

Thanks anyway for a win-win situation! lol

2 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

medicine that nobody else seems to want boosters for and the producers needed indemnity for doesn’t make you “anti vaccine” 

Yes it does. Read the part you typed yourself: "nobody else seems to want boosters" Who is that "nobody else?" Propaganda much?

On 4/17/2024 at 6:33 PM, Yellowtail said:

Once they get the "gender affirming care" thing going, will trans kids be able to get puberty blockers and have their genitals mutilated under the 30-Baht scheme? Asking for a friend.... 

As the forum resident fluffer, you have the amazing ability to "blow" AND whistle simultaneously. The average one could only do one at a time, usually blows and then whistles, as a signal they're done with the "blow" part... 

23 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

The article clearly states what is wanted:

 

"Activists say using “parents” and “mother and father” in legal terms will affirm those who identify as LGBTQ on equal terms with other couples."

 

They want the legislation to make them legally considered mother and father/parents to the child/children.

Probably webfact is sending out their own in-house "activists." Personally. I won't have this kind of "activists" working on my gay cause. "Parents," definitely, but "mother and father" as a same sex couple? No way Jose. Are you kidding? Us gays have gone too far in our quest for equality  to settle for this parental gender-divider. Such nonsense. Two mothers or two fathers can't do the job? Says who, considering the most commonly heard complaint from straight unions since millennium has been about mothers doing most of the child rearing chores.

 Nevertheless, the takeaway from outsiders looking in has taken on this twisted interpretation of the term "equal marriage" - embellishing with their own bias such as "one of whom wants to be a man"
 

23 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

The person in question still wants to be a man, and that is what they want the legislation to make legal.

 

 

FYI, bias = "A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment." Or let me elaborate on that: the tendency to (mis)interpret other people's words, action or intention, based on one's personal preference or  inclination. 

Thanadech is not asking legislation to legalize his desire  "to be a man." He's asking for equal marriage (same sex marriage being equally legal as straight marriage). Which  means by doing that he has implicitly conceded that in the eye of the laws, he and his girlfriend are still of the same sex ie woman and woman. Not man and woman.

But if you still insist on applying the "man and woman" paradigm onto an "equal marriage" bill that us gay are hoping for, then you''re not only out of place, you're out of touch (and your bias is showing!)

On 4/10/2024 at 2:32 PM, pacovl46 said:

The whole article is just unnecessary fear-mongering and the headline is clickbait, if you ask me. The Thais won't have a problem with gay marriage, regardless of wording. 

 

 

Webfact does what a checkout line tabloid has to do to get readership. Always grab a piece of news by the most sensationalistic angle, regardless whether that angle covers the rule or the exception. With matters regarding gender roles within the LGBTQ group, which is by nature rife with confusion, webfact would add a few potholes here and there to make sure readers have ground to sow their own biases. Case in point:
 

On 4/9/2024 at 12:00 AM, BangkokReady said:

 

It sounds like their concern is not about whether they can marry or not, but that the wording within the bill doesn't effectively mean: "If two biological females, one of whom now wants to be a man, are married and living with one of the couple's children, they will be legally considered a man and a woman and the legal parents of those children". 

 

 

Bias One : "one of whom now wants to be a man," - "One of whom," Thanadech has already gone through sex change, ie he has long passed the "wants to be a man" stage. In his mind he is now a man (whether the laws agree is another matter.) There's no mention of his girlfriend, the one whose child they are raising together, "now wants to be a man" either.

Bias Two: (they, the couple, are concerned) the bill doesn't effectively mean: they will be legally considered a man and a woman and the legal parents of those children." 
This is what Thanadech is quoted as saying in the article"

“I want the equal marriage law to be passed. It will make my family complete like any other family of men and women.” Though something might be lost in the translation, "family of men and women" in this context should be understood as "straight family."  Thanadech wants equal rights for his family as those of a straight family. No where did he said that there must be a man and a woman to "make my family complete."
 

On 4/14/2024 at 9:42 AM, eumenades said:

Incidentally, sales of Orwell's 1984 skyrocketed in Russia, post-prohibition, and many are saying it could contribute to Putin's downfall. Here's hoping!

In the few local malls that I frequent, now and then they would have on the ground floor a mini-book fair (selling discounted books plus a few tables of stationary and knicknack) just to stir the popular reading interest up I guess. In the (translated from) foreign-language corner, you can find a lot of history books, and among these Hitler/Mein Kampf feature prominently, as if this is the latest trend... Even though this book fair does move around from mall to mall, its stock remains more or less the same. So what can we be hoping- or dispairing rather - from this?

5 hours ago, eumenades said:

I spend a lot of time explaining world history to my wife, but i sometimes think it just does not interest her. And so, I turn to the historical movies.

World history interests my Thai partner mightily... However, when it comes to watching "historical movies" - most of these depicting wars - there's still a lot of hitting the pause button to explain things to him. Thais have no idea whatsoever what living in war time might entail (curfew, food ration, checkpoints, bomb raid bunkers, etc.) And so I turn to the shark-attack movies...

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

I buy second hand books off the internet and have them shipped to Thailand. But I must confess I am the only falang I know who does so!

You're not alone. Same here:  I have to ship over loads of second hand books also. Heavy shipping charges, but  I don't read books on tablets. There's nothing like the feel of a good paperback in one's hands, or a slab of a coffeetable book that weighs 8lbs. 

Btw, if you're in BKK check out my Dasa Books recommendation earlier.

On 4/8/2024 at 3:55 PM, brianthainess said:

Well it only my personal opinion but we we'll wait an see, I just have have a feeling that staying here on a marriage visa/extension will not be allowed, I hope it is for all those involved, but I wouldn't hold my breath. 

I guess up till now, at your tender old age, you never been taught to keep your gloomy outlook regarding other people's business to yourself? While nobody asks you to "hold your breath" for their own affair?  

"I hope it is for all those involved" yeah sure we really really believe you meant well-wishes (while predicting gloom and doom on us, "a marriage visa/extension will not be allowed") Oh yes, we have to "wait and see..." 

However for the likes of you who have neither say nor stake in gay marriage, you don't have to "wait and see..." So get off the line now and scoot. We don't need another busybody hypocrite like you. Go bark up another tree. 

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If you would have written equally, I wouldn't agree, but ok, I accept your argument.

But when you write "better" than you are just plain wrong. How can two men or two women be better parents than one woman and one man?

And please stay with the same situation, like all are non-alcoholics and similar conditions. There are always some parents which are better than others. 

 

Couldn't win the big argument, therefore had to settle on the small one...

That spells "pettiness."

Then adding a drag-queen Trumper image to support your "small one..."

That spells "desperation." 

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

f I go on 17th, 18th or 19th I will have to cancel work appointments and I would rather not do that.

Unfortunately, as far as Immigration is concerned. You still have (those) 3 days to do it, if you rather not then the fines are on you. You can't blame it oh holidays or your personal affair. I personally have witnessed one stubborn farang lady triy to bargain on same scenario to no avail. They shooed her away after making her pay, and didn't bother to even print her a fine receipt.

3 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Old guys sitting around a food court chatting with other old guys, soaking in free air-con while nursing a single coffee for hours.......

 

So what if they do?

Unbesknown to your tunnel-visioned farangs, food court is a way of life in the East. It serves a communal purpose and yes, old people are more revered here than in the West.

FYI, by Thai laws the supermarkets such as BigC, Lotus are required to open year round to serve the general populace. MY local Lotus foodcourt for its post covid-reopening had all the (basic) dishes prized at 25 baht and they did that for 3 months straight. Where do you get that in your lovely West?

On 4/8/2024 at 9:52 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

Same sex couples are not the same as father and mother = parents.

Why don't we keep the definition of existing words?

Call them a gay couple or a female couple or whatever. They can't be both parents of the same child. 

Says who?

Merriam and Webster definition of "parents"

1

a: one that begets or brings forth offspring

just became parents of twins

b: a person who brings up and cares for another

foster parents

Nowhere does it mention "father and mother" or "the same child."

Main point is that gays can do both a) and b ) equally well, if not better.

If you want to live by your own standard, fine. Just don't apply it onto others.

Thank you very much.

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Can you provide a few anecdotal examples of the discrimination gays suffer on a regular basis? 

It's sad, Mr ("Can you provide proof/annecdote/hearsay examples of...") One -and- One- Question- Only to hear the sound of one hand clapping...

Where's your pal, the one that you sent thumb up emojis to after each and every of his posts? Haven't heard a single beep from him since he got called out recently. You used to kiss the ground he walked on, IIRC.

But don't feel abandoned, we do enjoy your company here, as comic relief.

On 4/8/2024 at 4:51 PM, RobU said:

All of the balanced gay men I know despise gay activists and are extremely dubious of the gay pride movement they just want to get on with life.

 

The war against  discrimination has been won but charitable organisations like Stonewall need to keep pushing because they would lose income and eventually fade away because they are no longer necessary. Charity bosses make big money

Fact check 1st sentence: How many of those "balanced gay men I know"? Half a million? Or a couple of millions?

Fact check 2nd sentence: "The war against  discrimination has been won." By whom? Against which discrimination. If it's discrimination against gays, no it definitely has not.

Broad, sweeping statements with unfounded facts are called "propaganda."