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1 hour ago, simon43 said:

Wow, this post has really brought out the soft-brained, the wannabe scientists, the low IQed, the anarchists, the gullible, the useful idiots etc etc!

 

During Covid I saw very little wrong with government strategies, based on what is known about viruses, virus infections and general medical/scientific knowledge.  Although some policies turned out to be too 'harsh', in general it was 'better safe than sorry' and it worked reasonably well.

 

If people are mentally-unable to cope with lock-downs, then may I politely suggest that it is these kinds of people that Darwin was referring to when he espoused about survival of the fittest. 

Wannabe scientists eh? So the Swedish scientists got it wrong? If only they'd protected the elderly better at the onset, they would have been one of the higher achievers, rather than middling in terms of deaths per capita.

How often folk ignore detailed science and righteously postulate, while everyone around them is also forced to lockdown.

They are still uncovering the damage caused by protracted lockdowns from kids missing school, and elderly missing vital doctor appointments let alone the hundreds of millions worldwide effected financially, from small business closures, hospitality workers to Bangladeshi garment workers.

Lockdown by all means, THOSE VULNERABLE, or are concerned for their own well-being, especially the elderly. Otherwise sensible distancing, masks and vaccinations, once available, were by far the main effective measures in mitigating Covid.

23 hours ago, Hummin said:

And figure out why Jews have been in trouble throughout the time? No neighboring countries want them there! 

 

Before the state Israel was created, who was the terrorists in the area back then? 

 

Biggest mistake the creation of Israel, and it is the purest evidence of the two faced west where we allow them to continue their rebuilding of an idea taken from the Old Testament. 

Selected history Hummin (and I'm not Jewish) - as they lived in the region for eons, predominantly in Palestine. Romans didn't do them a lot of favours, nor did the Crusades. They'd been getting on well with relatively new Moslems (400-600 years eh) up till then.

There were Jewish terrorists after the Balfour declaration, not going to condone other than they were heady times.

Fact is most Palestinian refugees left Israel as directed by their leaders after the UN mandate. Those Palestinian Arabs that stayed now represent 20% of Israel proper - not to include West Bank, which is a whole lot of complicated history.

To suggest, Israel was rebuilt from the Old Testament is absolute rubbish. They've been there ever since BC, then Jesus Christ, thru the Crusades, the Turks and assisted the Allies in WW2.

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

Racism has been acceptable in Israel since 1948 in the form of apartheid and genocidal actions like the illegal settlements and by actively working to thwart a Palestinian state and now with mass indiscriminate bombing.

 

The Likud party couldn't have been poisoning the well any harder. I know you don't wart to focus on the war crimes in Israel. What should the citizens of UK be saying about that?

 

The Vietnam veterans suffered a similar fate toward the end of the Vietnam war. War crimes are never popular.

Oh dear, another history dramatist and revisionist.

Apartheid? What do you know of the composition of Israel? Have you read much history or a get it all from social media?
Then genocidal! Out of Hamas and western far left playbook that one. Just try to understand what its been like for Israel since UN mandate. And figure out why the neighbouring states want little do with the Palestinians. They've caused trouble where ever they go.
And indiscriminate bombing, really? Maybe try to read from decent sources other than Al Jazeera sourced.

I wish Netanyahu and his right wing partners weren't in power, but it is a democracy, something which the Palestinians have never really understood or aspired for. Hamas timed their barbaric acts of Oct 7 well, which so many western useful idiots can somehow rationalise from their distorted views of history. And it has all played out for Hamas, Iran and their allies just as they wanted, with first world concerned luvies backing in full voice, especially in Anglosphere. Pitifully misguided and dangerous.

1 hour ago, spermwhale said:

Every time "I research." Really are you a scientist. Do you even know how to research climate trends except for what you find online? 

Is so easy spermwhale, but journalists these days don't have the curiosity or objectivity to do. I'm talking about regular media claims like Aussie bush fires, the last ones were termed "unprecedented", they weren't if you are able to look up records or old newspaper articles. Same with unprecedented temperatures in many reports, or cyclone activity or flood levels. The world is a big place with so many cities, so not surprising that daily there are at least a few with record levels, i.e. since measuring was established. Blink of an eye, charleskerins.

And btw, did you comprehend I allowed "the world may be slowly warming"? It's the daily alarmism, preaching, impact on kiddies and stupid extremist activists with support from useful idiots who won't embrace nuclear energy - totally at odds with so much science. Could they imagine what the situation would be if nuclear energy was now triple, instead of waiting for 2050. So sad.

I find it interesting on this Outback trip - things like Charleville Corones hotel with pics of the record floods of 1934, which stand today. Or this floodwater level on the Burdekin River. Generations hand down stories, so no surprise it takes a lot to worry a farmer about the dire predictions of Climate Change, when all they really want is accurate weather forecasting.

And anyone who thinks there is scientific consensus around all the facets of Climate Change is deluded, while media often trot out views from the extreme end of the scientific community and on it goes. People are tiring of it, as we are seeing at the polls lately and in policy reversals. Can only cry the sky is falling for so long. The nukes will save us... eventually. As will population decline and all the other energy initiatives underway.
 

3 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

And the deniers will still be denying.

Alarmists seem to all suffer from short memories, restricted to last 30 years, or at best a few hundred years. Almost every time I research a claim of unprecedented heat or flood level, I find it is not true. The world may be slowly warming, but most of the rest is unproven, alarmist and often poorly modeled, if you look at some of the outrageous predictions over the last few decades.

The end of the world is nigh has a limited time frame, as previous doomsday cultists have found. And many people are tiring of them this time around.

15 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This was a wise decision. So far, Pita has shown us nothing but integrity and that is in very short supply here, when it comes to politics. They need to oppose the highly toxic army and the sold out PT, which likely lost alot of it's remaining goodwill by jumping into bed with the reptiles. 

 

Thailand mourns. For now, it's future has been stolen once again by the army thieves and goons. The army is no doubt the enemy of the people, and so is the new stooge PM. 

Thailand isn't mourning, that's what they did when the old King passed away. And Thais generally still respect the Royal Family even if they are very disappointed of late.

PT are not exactly, "army thieves and goons" and are well respected by the lower echelons even though they've lost a lot of credibility with their new "partners". Many of my Isaan family now lean towards MFP as a consequence. "Army enemy of the people" aw c'mon. Maybe you're confused with our neighbours.

But you do like to exaggerate and will doubtless get the real goon support.

The headline is very misleading, article omits certain facts and so many posters forget that coalition governments in the West have been formed without the party that secured the most votes. 

1. Thais didn't vote for a prime minister

2. MFP did not win a majority of the seats
3. MFP stood fast on its policy of rescinding s112 lese majeste, which none of the other parties, representing more than 60% of the votes, were willing to do.

Maybe MFP were naive, some might say true to their platform. Perhaps they weren't ready to govern and will learn a lot this term to win a majority next time. Thai democracy and press freedom is in reasonable shape when you look around the world. While the economy and other indices are heading in the right direction.

So typical of some media to deceive with their coverage and also for others to pile it on. Thai democracy mightn't be as advanced as most Western countries, but it is not as decrepit as some portray.

Holocaust deniers are rightfully jailed in many societies. Climate deniers need to be hounded, banned and where that is not possible, ignored. The science is overwhelming; every one of us must mend our overconsumption ways and press our elected representatives to act and rein in the corporations who continue to destroy our planet for their own profits. 

In my view it is probably almost too late but every little helps. Localized climate related conflicts have already begun. Before my young children are in their dotage world wars will be fought over the issue as land for the poorer nations is gobbled up, migration become worse than today and rich nations head for the cooler hills. I’m almost completely pessimistic for the future and am trying to make up for the bad choices I’ve made in the past. 

What a load of righteous, simplistic hooey. But if it works for you, peddle your hardest.

I'm not a CC denier (keen cyclist with 20 solar panels - know their limitations), there is too much evidence. But let's be smart about how we can mitigate.

Off the bat, that means media have to recognise the science is not settled on many levels, so they have to stop giving oxygen to the alarmist elements of the scientific community, where they compete for the scary stories. Media should dissect mainstream science more carefully.

A. UNIPCC and the international energy agencies all advocate nuclear energy as soon as possible - why doesn't mainstream media recognise this science? So cool to be green, even if dinosaur shade.

B. Renewable energy sources been given way too much credence - they must have reliable backup! Has been obvious for ages but again the debate wasn't properly aired, as invokes the denier tag, good grief.

Finally Europe and Japan have changed course to recognise what many scientists and modern environmentalists have been saying for years.

C. We cannot stop developing nations from using coal to improve their livelihoods, which will reduce population growth accordingly as more women enter the workforce.

There are 40 countries already where the population is stagnant or declining, usually advanced economies. In Thailand population growth is now around 0.2%. Recent objective forecasts indicate world population will peak around 2050 and fall from there simply because not every couple will be having two children. You don't hear much about this in mainstream media - fear sells so they ignore it.

So what are we left with?
1. Nuclear asap to replace coal and back-up renewable sources.
2. Electric public transport, scooters, bicycles. Reduce traffic in the cities but let's be sensible about expecting everyone to drive an electric vehicle. Way too many challenges, including sourcing the raw materials, charging stations where many people don't have garages, disposal of old batteries plus the range and grunt required for non city dwellers. 
3. Sensible policies to reduce plastics, by all means and good to see progress. All in favour of taking my plate to the outlet for serving. Ditto all the rubbish packaging in the supermarket aisles. That'll happen.
4. Heaps of technology to look forward to, but don't get too carried away as some will take ages to be effective, e.g. long term battery storage.

And leave the planes alone - they promote commerce and happiness!