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TONYSHAW: In case you didn't grasp the difference in Maestro's two scenarios, the first scenario -- "Non-Immigrant O-A Visa" -- can only be obtained in your home country from a Thai Embassy or Consulate before traveling to Thailand.
The second scenario -- annual extension -- is done within Thailand.
There so much loose usage of the term "O-A visa" that you need to be clear just what it is. It is NOT obtained within Thailand.
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The American Embassy charges $40 USD to notarize a statement from you that you make so much per month. They do not need proof, only your sworn word. That original notarized statement was taken in Phuket to issue retirement visa. I have to get a new original each year. No requirements were asked about transfer into a Thai bank account (yet).
I believe the charge at the US consulate to notorize a statement is $30.00 not $40.00.
I got the letter from the US Embassy in Bangkok the first week of this month and paid US$30 cash.
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Thanks for the info. I had never heard of anyone getting a re-entry permit with a tourist visa, so thought I would make sure. It's for a friend of mine (really!) and would work well for her making many short visits to Thailand within the 3- or 6-month period.
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In which new shopping complex is the new California Wow?
I had thought it was "The Avenue" nearer to Royal Garden, but I just read where the "Central Festival" shopping complex next to Soi 9 (near the new View Talay 6) is going to have a large fitness centre complex.
Is California Wow at the Central Festival centre, or is that a different fitness centre?
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I'm curious: what where the OLD regulations?
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go to the meter taxi bay
will cost 1200 baht
do not go to aot taxi in arrivals
I regularly (about once per month) take a taxi from the taxi queue on the ground floor and the standard rate to Pattaya is B1500, including tolls. They have a printed sheet with fares listed for destinations outside Bangkok, and it says B1500. I did the trip as recently as last Sunday.
Also, it is not unusual to have to make a pit stop at a gas station to top up the tank as most drivers don't usually have enough gas for the trip to Pattaya.
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If I recall correctly, about five or six years ago (when I first moved to Thailand and was living in Bangkok), wasn't a very similar proposal made (to imbed microchips) and then not implemented? Didn't HRH The King also recommend a method to address the registration of dogs around that same time? (Perhaps the microchip idea was the King's? I can't recall.)
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I have NEVER been asked to show Transfer of Funds, subsequent to the initial Transfer.
I have Retirement Visa for past 8 years
I am GrandFathered and require Bht 200,000 in my Account
I have just kept the Bht200,000 without use
I show my Pension Income confirmed by my Embassy
which I draw as required from an ATM from my UK bank
but I have NEVER been asked to show any evidence or even details of these ATM withdrawals
Bill
If you qualify on the B200,000 savings and keep B200,000 in the account without use, why do you bother with the expense and hassle of having your pension income confirmed by your embassy?
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With a tourist visa, is it possible to obtain a re-entry permit in Thailand to increase the number of entries?
Also, how long is a double-entry tourist visa from Los Angeles valid?
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As I said before, none of the survivors seem interested in the plane in the video, You can see them slowly walking away. This says to me that when it was shot, it was already obvious there were to be no more survivors. no one can say the camera did not help anyone get out. He might be one of the heros for all you know.
In the very first seconds of that video, if you watch carefully, you can see somebody emerging from an overwing exit and sliding off the trailing edge of the wing.
The only reason I caught that was a link to another version of the video (supposedly the original) only downloads the first few seconds and stops. I repeatedly viewed those first few seconds, trying to get the rest of the video to load.
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I notice on that video that door 2L was not opened. (IIRC, the MD80's do not have a door 2R.) Apparently all the survivors exited through the over-wing exits.
If it's true that those Swedish and British fellows struggled with the over-wing exits and finally got them open through brute force, they are indeed heroes. I know US carriers are required to seat only able-bodied passengers in exit rows who are willing to assist in the event of an emergency. Not a bad rule, it seems.
As to why the over-wing exits were difficult to open, and why door 2L wasn't opened, it's quite possible (conjecture alert!) the fuselage was torqued enough that the door frames twisted and in effect, wedged the doors closed. Scary thought. But, when the FAA does evacuation tests on aircraft, for the evacuation to be successful it must be completed within 90 seconds with 50% of the exits unusable.
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I have a friend who is a Flight Attendant for OG, and he told me that the Purser was a good friend of his and had survived the crash. Now, unless OG has a unique system of crew seating, she would have been sitting at door 1. She apparently then is the ONLY person from the front section of the fueslage (forward of row 17, apparently) that survived.
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MD-80 does not have frequent crash history
The US-made McDonnell Douglas MD-80 series aircraft like the one that crashed in Phuket on Sunday does not have a poor safety record or a history of frequent crashes. Since the mid-size, medium-range airliner, with the distinctive feature of having two rear fuselage-mounted turbofan engines, small wings and a T-tail, was introduced in 1980s, it has been involved only four accidents. Three, including Sunday's One-Two-Go tragedy, involved fatalities.
The three previous incidents were:
On Dec 27, 1991, SAS flight 751, an MD-81 aircraft, OY-KHO ''Dana Viking'' crash-landed in Gottrra, Sweden.
In the initial climb, both engines ingested ice breaking loose from the wings, which had not been properly de-iced before departure. Both engines were destroyed, leaving the aircraft with no propulsion. The aircraft landed in a field and broke into three parts. No fire broke out and all aboard the plane survived.
On Jan 31, 2000, Alaska Airlines Flight 261, an MD-83 aircraft, crashed in the Pacific Ocean, about 4.3km north of Anacapa Island, California, due to the inadequate maintenance of the jackscrew assembly.
The two pilots, three cabin crew, and 83 passengers on board were killed, and the airplane was destroyed.
On Oct 8, 2001, SAS flight SK686, an MD-87 aircraft, SE-DMA, collided with a small Cessna jet during take-off at Linate Airport, Milan, Italy.
The Linate Airport disaster left 114 people dead. It has been established that the cause of the accident was a misunderstanding between air traffic controllers and the Cessna jet, and that the SAS crew had no role in causing the accident. Another factor was the ground movement radar not being in operation at the time of the accident.
Article continues here:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/18Sep2007_news11.php
LaoPo
It seems the Bangkok Post uses Wikipedia for its source. See http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_ma...i?aircraft=MD-8 for a significantly different set of detailed statistics. (Or see previous post #328 where it is quoted)
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I am not sure which one is true, but according to Wikipedia the MD-80 series was in production between 1979 - 1999.
Of the 1,191 units built, four have had fatal incidents including the one in Phuket yesterday.
1. Dec 1991, SAS: Ice breaking loose from the wings destroyed both engines. The plane crashed into a field and broke into three parts. All passengers survived without serious injuries.
2. Jan 2001, Alaska Airlines. The jacksrew problem mentioned earlier in this thread. No survivors.
3. Oct 2001, SAS. A collision with a Cesna entering the runway during takeoff. If I don't remeber it wrong some of the staff from the air control tower had to spend time behind bars.
4. Sept 2007, One-two-GO...
I think Wikipedia missed a few:
Date Airline/Location Aircraft Type/Registration Fatalities 12.01.1981 Inex Adria Aviopromet McDonnell Douglas MD-82 180:180 Ajaccio, France YU-ANA 08.16.1987 Northwest Airlines McDonnell Douglas MD-82 154:155 + 2 Romulus, Michigan (Detroit Airport) N312RC 06.12.1988 Austral Lineas Aeras McDonnell Douglas MD-81 22:22 Posadas, Argentina N1003G 10.26.1993 China Eastern Airlines McDonnell Douglas MD-82 2:80 Fuzhou, China B-2103 11.13.1993 China Northern Airlines McDonnell Douglas MD-82 12:102 Urumqui, China B-2141 07.06.1996 Delta Air Lines McDonnell Douglas MD-88 2:146 Pensacola, Florida, USA N927DA 06.01.1999 American Airlines McDonnell Douglas MD-82 12:143 Little Rock, Arkansas, USA N215AA 01.31.2000 Alaska Airlines McDonnell Douglas MD-83 88:88 Point Magu, California, USA N963AS 10.08.2001 Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) McDonnell Douglas MD-87 118:118+4 Milan, Italy - Linate Airport SE-DMA 05.07.2002 China Northern Airlines McDonnell Douglas MD-82 112:112 Yellow Sea - off Dalian, China B-2138 11.30.2004 Lion Airlines McDonnell Douglas MD-82 26:153 Solo, Indonesia PK-LMN 08.16.2005 West Caribbean Airways McDonnell Douglas MD-82 160:160 Machiques, Venezuela HK-4374X 09.16.2007 One-Two-GO by Orient Thai McDonnell Douglas MD-82 88:130 Phuket, Thailand HS-OMG
source: http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_ma...i?aircraft=MD-8
(Is there any way to post tabular data other than useing
tags? Sorry for the amount of space that took, but I couldn't find another way to post it so it would be readable...)
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The corollary of that is family or friends living on the other side of the world wondering if you are on that plane, because your schedule is flexible and you 'might be going to Phuket'.
And my choice to not keep my family/friends up to date on my plans would threrefore outweigh the right to privacy and dignity of the rest of the passengers' families and friends? I am not in Kansas. I am not in Kansas. I am not in Kansas.
The world has changed so rapidly with new technology, including the internet, and this is just one example of how systems that have been in place and functioned properly for decades, are now compromised, if not thrown out the window completely.
OK, I'm finished. No need to continue this side discussion and detract any further from the enormous tragedy that occurred in Phuket yesterday afternoon.
(When did I become this ornery old fart?)
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Airlines have routinely assumed the role of notifying next of kin of crash victims, unless local regulations require that law enforcement or other government agency do so.
Say you went shopping and while you were out, Somchai up the moo bahn sees the passenger manifest on the internet and notices your sister's name. He can't tell you until you're home, but such big news will spread across the moo bahn like wildfire. You come home and a neighbor says: "Say, your sister was on a plane than just crashed. Do you think she's dead?"
Or, a scenario in the office while you are out at a meeting, where after seeing your son's name on the manifest on the internet someone in the office calls the media and they are awaiting to interview you when you return to the office and register your first reactions on live TV.
How would you rather discover the loss of a loved one, from a professional (probably with grief counseling experience), or by being the last to know from a breathless office gossip? Shouldn't the victim's families be the FIRST to know, if at all possible?
Without exception there are special phone numbers posted immediately after a crash for information on survivors and victims.
That's why I expressed a bit of shock that the manifests were made public before there were any chance the airline/government officials could properly notify the victim's families.
All that I wrote above was from my western perspective. I simply must realize that I'm not in Kansas anymore.
[edited for a bit of added clarity (I hope)]
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I did find the publication of the passenger manifest on this, a public website & forum, quite disturbing. This information should be handled by the correct authorities and not for public consumption.
Thank you for stating that. I was beginning to believe I was the only one.
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A quick look at the passeger manifesto vs. survivor list shows most (all?) were sitting in the back.
How are you able to determine their seat numbers? Do you have access to the actual manifest beyond what was made public by Bangkok Post?
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I have mixed feelings about the passenger manifest not being kept confidential until notification of next of kin of both deceased and survivors. I highly doubt a US airline would make such information publicly available so early after an incident.
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Racist.
Thread closed.
You obviously haven't read the "Sex in the Shower" thread yet.
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You mean there might be hope that the Thailand images which are already a couple years out of date, might be updated within our lifetime?
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Maybe they have a aquired a visa where they don't need to do visa runs anymore.
A variation of that is that they have a visa that only requires visa runs every 90 days, versus using visa-waiver stamps which needed a visa run every 30 days. They might still need visa runs, but 1/3 the frequency as before.
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Guderian, it sounds like you have the facts straight, now that lopburi3 advised you won't need to make a trip to Bangkok.
Once you have your retirement extension approved and stamped in your passport, you can go that same day and transfer the funds out of your low-interest passbook savings account back into the higher-interest fund account.
BTW, I also have two SCB accounts at the Jomtien Soi 5 branch: a regular passbook savings account with ATM card (which I live off of), and a SFF Fund account.
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The ongoing improvement of the airport includes additional restrooms in October and more check-in counters for passengers soon.
First I've heard of that. How soon is "soon"? And where are they going to be?
O/a Visa
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If you do a border run just prior to the expiration date of the O-A Visa and get the additional year's permission to stay, you MUST have a re-entry permit if you leave the country after the original expiration date of the O-A Visa (i.e. if you leave any time during the second year), or you start all over again from square one, with no visa.
If you do not exit/re-enter Thailand in that second year, of course, you do not need a re-entry permit.