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12 hours ago, sucit said:

There is suppression of facts all over the place right now. If the view does not line up with vaxxers views, they suppress. You know because one or two major news commentators speak out against mandatory vax, and their material is completely suppressed. 

I guess you don't watch Fox News much.

23 minutes ago, driver52 said:

I quite like him, likes a joke and a swig of hydroxychloroquine ???? how do you know for sure he's been vaxxed? Have you seen the certificate?

He was trying to 'drain the swamp' so deep state had to get rid of him........so now they have a gormless puppet in the White House, they can brainwash you even more and rob you of your more taxes, whilst providing useless PCR tests that make other mates even richer

I heard Hunter is a nice chap who does lots of illegal stuff too ????

I guess those lefties at Fox News are s lying about getting vaccinated.

Trumps received COVID-19 vaccines at White House in January

Former president and first lady got both doses, official confirmed

Former President Donald Trump and former first lady Melania Trump received their COVID-19 vaccines in January at the White House, Fox News confirmed.

It is unclear which vaccine the Trumps received, but a Trump official told Fox News they are both fully vaccinated with two doses.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-coronavirus-vaccines-white-house-in-january

15 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

I have been sensing a movement/trend towards getting one shot into as many people as possible, as quickly as possible by foregoing second doses. I think this makes sense, but I'm not an expert, nor would I want to make this decision.

 

 

 

Again, reinforces movement towards one-shot coverage vs. two-shots. We're told a single dose of AZ is 87% effective re: severe symptoms, hospitalization and death.

 

 

70%/50 mm people with one dose by year's end is probably doable with supplies. Assumes sinovac "qualifies". They're nearly at 33% now with at least one shot (~  16 mm). With supplies and maximum effort; but the last three days have been dismal, weekends always are, but yesterday (admittedly a holiday) was only 138,892.

 

Assume 25 mm AZ doses ( 5 mm per month for 5 months) + 2,. mm this week for 27.3 mm. And a smattering of siniovac or pharm, Moderna, Pfizer, and they're close (to the ~ 33 mm needed). Maybe by the end of January 2022 for 50 mm with at least one shot?

 

 

 

Single shot of AstraZeneca’s Vaxzevria shows effectiveness against variants

AstraZeneca has reported that a single dose of its Covid-19 vaccine, Vaxzevria, was 82% effective against hospitalisation or mortality caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus’ Beta or Gamma variants.

The data is from a study by the Canadian Immunization Research Network (CIRN) with support from the Public Health Agency of Canada and the Canadian Institutes of Health Research...

The study analyzed the vaccine in a total of 69,533 Covid-19 patients in Ontario, Canada. Of these, 28,705 subjects tested positive for non-variants of concern and 40,828 were positive for a variant of concern of SARS-CoV-2.

https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/astrazeneca-vaxzevria-effective-variants/

11 hours ago, Scrotobike said:

Mot being a medical researcher I have no idea what is correctly peer reviewed and rigorously challenged. Happy to have such an expert here on what ever this un-peer reviewed site is (formally known as Thai-Visa)

You know, you don't need to be an expert to do a search using a few words like "Nature Medicine journal"

Unless, of course, you don't really want to know.

Nature Medicine

Nature Medicine is a monthly peer-reviewed medical journal publishing research articles, reviews, news and commentaries in the biomedical area, including both basic research and early-phase clinical research covering all aspects of medicine...

As with other Nature journals, there is no external editorial board, with editorial decisions being made by an in-house team, although peer review by external expert referees forms a part of the review process.

Its 2019 impact factor was 36.130, making it the highest-cited research journal in preclinical medicine.^[2]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_Medicine}

48 minutes ago, toolpush said:

Sweden?

Here's how Sweden compared to its 3 Scandinavian neighbors. Sweden has somewhat less than twice the population of each of them. Even accounting for that, its performance was dismal.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden?country=SWE~DNK~FIN~NOR

8 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Normally having a disease and surviving is more effective in providing future protection than vaccination. If I were to get infected again, it'd probably be trivial, I might not even show any symptoms.

 

False.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/21/fact-check-vaccines-offer-safe-consistent-protection-covid-19/7609402002/

2 hours ago, Autonuaq said:

if Thailand want to be a good destination as well able to compete this can only when it focus on internal economy and internal market 80/20 rule makes strong and get sponsored by tourist and external industry.

 

if want to have the same as South Korea which was actually worse the Thailand  then Thailand needs to reform dramatically.

 

the Thai bath exchange rate of 50 THB for an euro would help Thailand.

 when you focus on the internal market the essential internal market is not an issue and also you get the aid program

And how would you suggest Thailand go about lowering the baht to 50?

13 hours ago, BritManToo said:

More likely Darwin will take care of people allowing experimental substances into their bodies.

If they aren't dangerous, why are all the manufacturers indemnified against any and all problems arising?

All vaccines were once experimental substances. Darwin seems to have been very negligent in taking care of people who have been vaccinated with those.

25 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Well it aint all there is.  If it is it's down to pressure from the CCP and corruption i.e. We are not joining COVAX and will only buy the Chinese juice. As for what the numerous health experts say I've heard this come out of the WHO. Remember the WHO who listened to the CCP at the very beginning. The WHO who said global travel is ok because we believe the CCP and this is not human to human transmissable. The WHO who said you don't have to wear masks. The WHO who sent in an investigative team to Wuhan led by a person directlty linked to the Wuhan lab and gain of function resrearch on bat viruses in said lab. The WHO which gave Coronavac a 52% pass rate. Maybe I am being a tad too cynical. 

If it was only the WHO that was saying this, your point would still be bad. But it's irrelevant.

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/sinovac-vaccine-falls-short-expectations-options-limited

3 hours ago, kwonitoy said:

With the cold chain of -70 degrees required for Pfizer, doses received outside of a hospital setting would most likely be useless and quite possibly hazardous to your health

29 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

They've relaxed the cold chain requirements a bit, but still your main point stands. Any smuggled doses will quickly degrade to the point of uselessness.

Some people worry about long-term side effects, but the actual problem was the opposite. Pfizer and Moderna had to solve getting it to last long enough for the body to react to it. 

This claim about -70 degrees  is the zombie fact that will not die. And it's been dead for months. The fact is that the requirements for the mRNA vaccines are now these: 

They can be stored in a freezer with temperatures ranging from -25c to -15c for up to 6 months. (Home freezers can attain these temperatures)

They can be stored in a refrigerator at 2c to 8c for up to 1 month.

7 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I'd imagine most currencies in SE Asia, which are being hard hit with covid right now, are similarly impacted...so it makes imported Danish butter more expensive than it already is, which has little affect on ordinary Thais. You might have heard about the 1997 "Tum Yum Kung" crisis, where the baht lost half its value...within a decade, expats were whining about how strong the baht had become.

Actually, compared to a year ago, the dollar is about the same vs the Malaysian ringgit and actually lower vs the Cambodian Riel,the Singapore Dollar, and the Indonesian Rupiah. It is strongly up vs. the Laos kip.

I don't check how  the Euro is doing vs these currencies.

10 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Sinovac will be disregarded by all countries using it except those who are being pressured by the CCP or there is a finacial arrangement to fill pockets. mRNA is too far away for mass vaccination in Thailand. I said a week ago or so that if I could get 2 AZ this yr and mRNA booster nxt yr that's not too bad. 1 AZ down. 2^nd in October and who knows about the booster nxt yr. Someone on here said "You're dreaming." You know who you are. You were wrong. It is happening it's just that it should have happened a long time ago and it didn't because of.........corruption. No COVAX just SinoVac.

Most likely Coronavac will be superseded in the not so distant future. But as numerous health experts say, if that's all there is, then take it.

5 minutes ago, anchadian said:

#PhuketSandbox update on Tuesday: Today saw 38 local cases, which is a new high, and two more sandbox cases. 229 patients are now in hospital. So far, the majority of patients are locals as only 28 people in the sandbox tested positive in the last 27 days #Thailand

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1419995036658257924

 

Any source to find out if ICU and/or critical care beds are maxed out?

24 minutes ago, worrab said:

But Sinovac is still under review. Not supported by WHO. 

You sure about that?

WHO validates Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use and issues interim policy recommendations

WHO today validated the Sinovac-CoronaVac COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use, giving countries, funders, procuring agencies and communities the assurance that it meets international standards for safety, efficacy and manufacturing. The vaccine is produced by the Beijing-based pharmaceutical company Sinovac.

https://www.who.int/news/item/01-06-2021-who-validates-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-for-emergency-use-and-issues-interim-policy-recommendations

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Really. 

 

Now, if the US unemployment rate went up. how does that tally with your supposed labour shortage? 

Didn't you claim this?

 There are no shortages of labour, there are shortages of people willing to work, as long as these free handouts are flying about.

Well, those "free handouts" disappeared. What happened?

Lots of people still aren't willing to risk infection to go back to work. There's lots of loons out there who refuse to be vaccinated. And lots of people have children whom they can't get alternate care for.   And employers aren't offering enough to tempt them.

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

If you do your research, you will see that despite what the authorities have been saying, the economy here has been shrinking for the past five years, or more. So, these problems started long before Covid. However, they now have a very convenient scapegoat! And I am not headed to Burundi, but Burundi like conditions seem to be headed here.

Maybe you should do your homework before suggesting that others do theirs:

https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/gdp

Just now, nauseus said:

If you have heard that before multiple times, then you might wonder why that is? There are no shortages of labour, there are shortages of people willing to work, as long as these free handouts are flying about. Supply bottlenecks may ease but inflation won't.

 

 

 

Really? Is that way unemployment went up in June even after many states cancelled enhanced benefits during that month?

2 hours ago, hanuman2543 said:

And why Thailand does not allow people who are double vaxed with 2 different vaczines entry without 14 days of quarantine?

Thailand requires requires 14 days for everyone, no matter how they've been vaccinated.

11 minutes ago, rabas said:

What?

 

Dr. Yong has 21 scientific publications in just the first few months of 2021 listed in Google Scholar.  848 lifetime google scholar publications and an astounding h-index, which measures importance.  Dr. Yong's index of 66 is beyond 'truly exceptional'.

 

"An h-index (Hirsch index) of 20 is considered good, 40 is outstanding, and 60 is truly exceptional" [1].

 

Thailand's funding and efforts in medicine, genetics, and genomics are also well known.

You know, for a lot of expats here, for amusement, mocking Thailand is all they've got.

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

From the above linked ASEAN report 

 

The very poor performer countries are the Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and Philippines. Malaysia and Thailand are taking off due to the government program in scientific and technological innovation coupled with government program in economic development. In fact, Thailand is establishing reputable science and technology universities. 

 

Page 6 -- Note report is dated 2013.
 

Maybe spidermike007 thinks news is like fine win: it gets better as it gets older.

4 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said:

I’m far to dumb to pretend to understand economics other than to say I would much prefer to be getting 27+ baht to the dollar when I transfer money into-country than the terrible rates I’ve been getting for some years now. I for one would spend a lot more in-country if I was seeing rates like that again.

You mean you were getting less than 27 baht to the dollar before this?

3 hours ago, internationalism said:

no, they have underestimated their need - in the original contract with AZ they wanted only 3mln per month. Even the AZ offered more and suggested anutin to join COVAX to get more AZ and any other (which he did, just the last saturday, with 9 months delay).

Anutin have also thought that he can bully the AZ for 10mln, with a threat of forbidding export from Siam Bioscience.

That plan did't work. The AZ will give max 6mln (that's 2x more than in contract).

 

Temperature and storage is not an issue. Those sensitive vax can be brought at small quantities at time. The first batch of AZ came only 117k, the first batch of sinovax only 200k.

All those mRNA vax come in small containers with dry ice, can be kept for 1 week without need to top up. 

 

Story with side effects is for every single vax - the AZ was withdrawn from 2 european countries. Many countries are not giving it as a second dose. 

 

Storage requirements for mRNA vaccines have been eased. No need for dry ice. Pfizer and Moderna can be stored at -25C to -15C for up to 6 months. A home freezer can do that. Then they can be stored in a refrigerator at 2C to 8C for up to a month.