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Stricter Disease Controls Expected on Omicron Outbreaks
ozimoron replied to snoop1130's topic in Thailand News Headlines
The Chinese vaccines are effective against serious disease. "Recent studies suggest that China’s main vaccines from private maker Sinovac and state-owned firm Sinopharm are highly effective in preventing severe illness and death among those fully vaccinated" https://fortune.com/2021/08/31/china-covid-vaccine-sinovac-sinopharm-delta-variant-effective/ Omicron: good signs that Sinopharm and Sinovac shots fend off severe illness, WHO expert says https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3162208/omicron-good-signs-sinopharm-and-sinovac-shots-fend-severe -
Stricter Disease Controls Expected on Omicron Outbreaks
ozimoron replied to snoop1130's topic in Thailand News Headlines
Lock downs work China reports major drop in virus cases in locked-down Xi’an Health officials said they have basically achieved the goal of halting community transmission because the new cases were among people already quarantined. https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-winter-olympics-sports-health-beijing-a91fff9b1312e2e5bea4f4ed789e9d4f -
Ghislaine Maxwell found guilty
ozimoron replied to Chomper Higgot's topic in US & Canada Topics and Events
Many brothels in cities such as Manchester, London and Cardiff operate under the moniker of "massage parlours". Although the age of consent is 16 throughout the United Kingdom, it is illegal to buy sex from a person under 18 where the perpetrator does not reasonably believe they are 18 or over. source: wikipedia -
I have already explained in this thread that the modelling you referred to was based on an assumption of no vaccines. It has since been updated. No the goalposts have not changed, the vaccines have arrived. I posted the link above as well. Those are not statements of deliberate over exaggeration intended to support pharmaceutical companies which was your original claim. Try again or find more data to support your conspiracy theory.
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It was not a joke. Who would you believe was doing that? We know the virus is terrible. It doesn't need overblowing. The press and doctors have been upfront in saying that initial data was pointing to omicron being milder (by about 50%) than delta. I haven't read any accounts of over exaggeration of the dangers of any variant. Have you? If so, where?
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Then you shouldn't even say it. Unsubstantiated "opinions" about scientific issues are verbal garbage and a waste of everybody's time. What you are suggesting is nothing less than a conspiracy theory and patently unlikely to be true. The authority is not suggesting that the virus has been overdone or that it's pursuing an agenda,
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A few months ago, before omicron, charts clearly showed a strong decline in delta cases world wide. Do you dispute this? If so I will post more links to prove it was the case. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/covid-cases-are-dropping-u-s-delta-wave-over-ncna1282585 https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/10/08/delta-variant-pandemic-decline https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/28/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html As for my claim that omicron mutated in an unvaccinated person. Here are some links. I had already posted links to this effect at the time and so for those paying attention this was well established. "“No question there's a lot more replication happening among unvaccinated people, and replication is the heart of mutations that lead us to” variants such as omicron." https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/12/02/dr-ashish-jha-breaks-down-omicron-and-why-covid-mutates-so-easily-in-the-unvaccinated/8836141002/ The mutation of the Omicron variant could be down to "reservoirs" of the virus lurking in the unvaccinated and immunosuppressed. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-emergence-of-omicron-variant-could-be-down-to-reservoirs-of-virus-in-the-unvaccinated-and-immunosuppressed-12481188
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They have a strong purpose. Planning. What would happen if they wildly underestimated the deaths? You are ignoring that they had no vaccine when these estimates were formed. Worst case scenario is always the required scenario. Anything less becomes a bonus but the worst case allows effective planning.
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He has some basis for making those comments. "With new versions forcing vaccine makers to retest jabs, the virus that causes COVID-19 has proven highly unpredictable. But the latest variant to sweep the globe has persuaded some experts that long hoped-for collective immunity is in sight, and that the virus may be evolving into a relatively benign seasonal illness." https://japantoday.com/category/features/health/weaker-virus-herd-immunity-omicron-sparks-cautious-hopes
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It wasn't "scare" modelling. It was valid scientific modelling based on the information at the time. The estimate isn't unreasonable given the lack of vaccines at the time and the current estimates are still very scary. https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom?view=cumulative-deaths&tab=trend Here is a revision and discussion of those initial Imperial College estimates. If you do provide references then try to make sure you have the latest information otherwise you are misleading people by omission. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00029-X/fulltext.
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All the anti vaxers say that. It's a dog at my homework response. In general it's a red flag for came from a conspiracy theory or pseudo science site. You could at least have mentioned that the study came from the Imperial College, better than nothing at all which is what we had to put up with. edit: I could find nothing from the Imperial College which supported your claim. Do be so kind as to provide a link, it's basic forum etiquette.
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Shingles vaccinations here are free for the over 70's but cost a bit less than AUD $300. My point was that it seemed you were suggesting that "natural immunity" through infection to those and all diseases was still the best option. If that wasn't your intention then I apologize. It does seem now that you recognize the value of vaccinations.
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Yes I do remember when my mum sent me to pay with kids who had chicken pox and I was reminded about it recently when I had eye herpes following a routine cataract operation which nearly cost me my eyesight. The doctors told me that childhood chicken pox was to blame. Every time I go to a doctor I see posters about shingles, a debilitating disease which mainly afflicts the elderly who had chicken pox as a child. Witchcraftery, huh?
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The more coronavirus is circulating in the community the greater the prospect of a new variant with unknown characteristics. It is not time to let it rip, less severe or not. It seems like people are seizing this story as greater justification for not getting vaccinated, that would be a gross misinterpretation of the available data.