7 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

They don't seem to cross the 1,000 a day mark without a bit of flatlining first.

They ran out of tests at most locations again.  Going for a test is rather risky lining up with people coughing and sneezing.

7 hours ago, internationalism said:

that high figures infected means around 150 deaths daily.

already the last week in bangkok hospitals beds were full and shortage of tests.

those field hospitals will take time to arrange. It's not only beds, but personel and basic equipment and supplies of ppe

 

Most importantly make sure there's enough oxygen tanks.  

Bad news about Sinovac:

 

 

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April 11, 2021 1:00 pm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PM Prayut Chan-o-cha holds a vial during the welcoming ceremony for Sinovac vaccines at Suvarnabhumi Airport on Feb. 24, 2021.

BEIJING (AP) — In a rare admission of the weakness of Chinese coronavirus vaccines, the country’s top disease control official says their effectiveness is low and the government is considering mixing them to give them a boost.

Chinese vaccines “don’t have very high protection rates,” said the director of the China Centers for Disease Control, Gao <deleted>, at a conference Saturday in the southwestern city of Chengdu.

Beijing has distributed hundreds of millions of doses in other countries while also trying to promote doubt about the effectiveness of Western vaccines.

“It’s now under formal consideration whether we should use different vaccines from different technical lines for the immunization process,” Gao said.

 

The effectiveness rate of a coronavirus vaccine from Sinovac, a Chinese developer, at preventing symptomatic infections has been found to be as low as 50.4% by researchers in Brazil. By comparison, the vaccine made by Pfizer has been found to be 97% effective.

Bad news from China about Sinovac:

 

 

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CHINESE OFFICIALS SAY CHINESE VACCINES’ EFFECTIVENESS LOW

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April 11, 2021 1:00 pm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PM Prayut Chan-o-cha holds a vial during the welcoming ceremony for Sinovac vaccines at Suvarnabhumi Airport on Feb. 24, 2021.

BEIJING (AP) — In a rare admission of the weakness of Chinese coronavirus vaccines, the country’s top disease control official says their effectiveness is low and the government is considering mixing them to give them a boost.

Chinese vaccines “don’t have very high protection rates,” said the director of the China Centers for Disease Control, Gao <deleted>, at a conference Saturday in the southwestern city of Chengdu.

Beijing has distributed hundreds of millions of doses in other countries while also trying to promote doubt about the effectiveness of Western vaccines.

“It’s now under formal consideration whether we should use different vaccines from different technical lines for the immunization process,” Gao said.

 

The effectiveness rate of a coronavirus vaccine from Sinovac, a Chinese developer, at preventing symptomatic infections has been found to be as low as 50.4% by researchers in Brazil. By comparison, the vaccine made by Pfizer has been found to be 97% effective.

12 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

There won’t to any Tourists coming to Thailand to spend and pay for even 7 days in quarantine.

And then return to most countries for a 14 day quarantine because nobody is vaccinated in Thailand or even tested.

4 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

Now nobody cant see end of this increasing numbers! Tracking is in really bad shape! They dont have man power to do tracking!

Beyond that many hospitals/clinics have run out of tests.  And the price of upwards of 4500 for a test is discouraging anyone who's showing symptoms to test.  What happened to any of Anutins, pryut, or the rest of the governments preparation for a worse case scenario?

789 reported.

So many people who aren't going to get tested because they've run out or it's too expensive.

The real numbers must be staggering!

I had that happen to a flight to Phuket from Udon Thani.  I complained to my credit card.  AirAsia responded to Visa with some huge paperwork.  I finally just took the credit as it was going to be such a pain in the a**.

Fortunately I used the credit.  I don't like to fly with them and prefer Thai smile.  Flights out of Udon Thani are very limited this last year of course with usually a long layover in Bangkok.  I've taken to just driving with a stop in Khon Kaen.  Luckily I enjoy driving plus I don't need to rent a car when I get there.

Not very happy with AirAsia.

Not many people pay that kind of money.

Should be free so they can handle this better.  They always have there hands in the till.  It's sad and frustrating!

14 minutes ago, chang1 said:

Headline says "clear link" but there is not a clear link. From the article -

"But many scientists say there is no definitive evidence and it is not clear whether or why AstraZeneca's vaccine would cause an issue not shared by other vaccines that target a similar part of the coronavirus."

 

There is speculation that those affected were infected with covid19 when they had the vaccine, which does have a known link with blood clots. Obviously more research is needed but, as cases are so rare, there is little to worry about - yet.

It seems odd to me that there aren't any comparisons with the other vaccines around. 

The UK death rate has dropped from over 1200 a day to around 30 a day now, while the rest of Europe is experiencing a third wave. So there is no denying the Oxford vaccine is effective especially against the aggressive UK variant.

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The data, published in The Lancet yesterday, also showed it was 28.9% effective at preventing asymptomatic infections or cases with unknown symptoms.

Overall efficacy was 61.7% against the B117 variant and 77.3% against other variants, according to the study. The vaccine was 81.5% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 caused by non-B117 strains.

In a Lancet commentary, Rogier W. Sanders, PhD, and Menno D. de Jong, MD, PhD, of Amsterdam University Medical Centers, write, "Given the wide CIs [confidence intervals] in these exploratory analyses, no firm conclusions can be drawn on the precise clinical efficacy against the B.1.1.7 variant and, importantly, how this efficacy compares with efficacy against the original circulating variants."

Even so, they say the findings "suggest a meaningful degree of efficacy against the B.1.1.7 variant, which is encouraging."

13 hours ago, WHansen said:

I have read this several times to try and understand the process. I may be wrong but to me it looks like private companies need to apply to the Thai FDA to import vaccines, after approval is granted by the FDA, those companies/organisations can import vaccines and then the hospitals or clinics can negotiate with said companies to supply them vaccines.

 

I hope i have misunderstood this and there are NOT a lot of already rich people applying to be middlemen to earn lots of Baht from this importation of vaccines.

Every thing regarding the vaccine rollout in Thailand is so horribly wrong.  My wife just mentioned that there charging 3,000 baht for a covid-19 test at the 3rd world Sakon Nakhon hospital.

22 hours ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Thailand is not the only country I live in OZ now I am at dangerous age to contract the virus I went for an appointment for the vaccination only to be told come back at the end of April. But I don't really care could not even get my regular flu shot

 

"Australia has just finalized the purchased 20 million doses of Pfizer's vaccine as it pivots away from its earlier plan to rely mainly on AstraZeneca vaccine."

AP 9 hours ago

At least there being pro active.

Have they stopped counting when they ran out of tests?

15 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

"it did not specify when"

Surely, if this "variant" is as powerful and dangerous as they claim, they have the powers to close anything they want with immediate effect, so why the delay, giving it more time to infect people before they act ?

3 hours ago, ukrules said:

No it's not, the vaccines do in fact work so such measures would be complete nonsense.

Countries aren't going to let there citizens into countries that Haven't vaccinated.  

A few days and there out of almost everything.  Amazing Thailand and its medical "Hub".

Anutin and his staff need to be replaced!

13 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

This may be one of the first ‘announcements’ this Dr has made which I find completely agreeable - his points are all valid. 

 

The only outstanding question regarding the more contagious variants of SARS-CoV-2 is do more patients present more serious symptoms ?... i.e. do the variants result in more sever Covid-19, greater long term impact, higher fatality rates (per case) ?

Its more deadly.

14 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

 

 

There are no records of the B117 strain in Myanmar from world databases. There are now 15  records of the B117 strain in Thailand, 9 were from positive cases found in ASQ. The other 6 are from the recent bar outbreaks in BKK. 

 

It's unlikely to be from Myanmar.

 

It would be practically impossible to test for varients of the virus let alone any testing in Myanmar at the moment.  Before the coup Covid-19 was rampant throughout Myanmar.  It certainly isn't getting better.

14 hours ago, steve187 said:

so what would be your plan if you were made Prime minister tomorrow

#1. Start vaccinating people and stop making excuses.

#2. Fire the Idiot  Health Minister.

8 hours ago, Susco said:

 

They have never manufactured a vaccine in the past.

 

In the US J&J wasted 15 million doses, what could go wrong in Thailand

That was Astra Zenica screw up..  J&J have taken over that production facility.

10 hours ago, ukrules said:

Once the AZ vaccine is in full production / roll out they will have more vaccine supplies than all the other COVAX countries.

 

It's just taking a little longer to get started.

 

First they will catch up, then they will surpass - so long as the roll out is handled well.

Oh please!  It's a complete failure.

"Mr Anutin said that it was tradition that people should want to return home to make merit with family."

In our Issan village they mostly just drink and argue.  If we have to do any driving for supplies we try to do it early before they start drinking and driving.

Skateboarding and BMX bikes.  Sounds like a bunch of teenage kids.

Two of my wifes friend's have decided to leave Bangkok early just in case they impose alockdown.  I assume there will be many more.