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7 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

The Neta range is quoted as 380km, I regularly see them on the road making the journey between Chiang Mai & Chiang Rai.  They certainly are speedy, when you compare power outputs of ICE vs EV you have to remember that the EV has that power throughout the range whereas the for the ICE it's quoted as a peak, you probably need to knock a third of the ICE number to compare accurately.

 

 

I think the converse is true.  Most people don't drive more than 80km a day, even those doing 300km don't ever need to waste any time filling up, they just plug in overnight at home.  I reckon I save around 5 hours per year by not filling up with petrol/diesel.

Top Speed: Maximum speed 121 km/h (Sport mode)

Can run up to 320 km. per charge (WLTP standard)

Direct current DC Fast Charging supports up to 45 kW from 30-80%, takes approximately 30 minutes.

I'm all for EVs but those figures are too pitiful for a primary car.

When they start selling MG 4 specs for the Neta V price then I'll bite if I can solve the charging problem from living in a Bangkok condo.

It seems like convenient public chargers in malls overcharge and I don't fancy sitting at a gas station for 30 minutes once a week.

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Definitely ... and it's ฿600k if wanting AT.

If going for top end Yaris ... it's shy of ฿700k

 

A few baht more gets you in a MG4, IF you want performance, along with 

never having to buy petrol again, or those oil changes & tune-ups

฿549k is for the CVT transmission and I think most buyers will not be going for the top end or they would be looking at other cars.

Buying petrol is still a lot more convenient than charging for most people.

11 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I think you need to drive a Neta, they drive superbly and are currently 10% cheaper than the Ativ.  I know which I would rather drive and if both available to hire, I would go for the Neta every time.

 

We will probably see more competitors in the 550k to 750k range, at 771k the MG EP+ is already a stunning car, and it's in the Altis/Civic space.  MG has a good reputation in the UK & EU, it's a shame they completely ruined their entry into the Thai market with badly manufactured, unreliable cars and appalling after sales service.  Consumers take a long time to trust a company with a prior bad reputation.

I'll admit the Neta V does look quite nice, if a bit narrow, but it's definitely a city car. It would be quite a pain on longer trips with the small battery and slow charging speed so unless I had 2 cars I'd prefer the ATIV regardless of build quality.

53 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I don’t disagree with your first sentence. 6 years ago, I paid around 600k for a Mazda 2 HB. It was a good car, nifty, economical and problem free until about a year ago when it sometimes won’t detect the key and Mazda CM tried to give me all sorts of bs reasons like the Panasonic CR battery is fatter than Mazda CR battery (Mazda doesn’t make such batteries afaik). Situation got resolved in Mazda Yasothon by the family friend I sold it to. She’s loving the car as it suits her needs perfectly.

 

I recently shelled out a bit more for a Dolphin, 850k. You could say it’s a significant increase in percentage terms but not that much in absolute terms unless funds are tight. However, the Dolphin is in a completely different league, driving, performance and technology terms. 2 things lacking compared to the Mazda is no HUD and no rain wiper sensor. But the Dolphin has electric front seats, panoramic sunroof, fantastic infotainment system, phone app, much higher level of materials and finishing, comfor, performance… the list goes on.

So in my mind, the value for money is on par if not higher than that of ICEVs.

I see your point but you are comparing a 6 year old Mazda with a brand new BYD.

And the 300k price difference is quite significant. I estimate you would need to drive around 200-300k km before you start saving money on fuel as the Yaris ATIV has really good fuel economy. (Advertised 23.3km/L, tested around 19 km/L on average.)

4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

There is definitely a huge appetite for EV's here.  China is making it difficult for anyone to buy a non-Chinese EV by undercutting everyone else by 20-40%.  It's inevitable they will achieve market dominance.

 

Traditionally, those large Japanese organisations who have dominated the Thai auto market for decades are going to really struggle.  2023 could be a tipping point for them into unprofitability, for sure 2024 will be.  I think we will see consolidation in that market, provinces they have had lots of Toyota dealerships will close a lot of them.

 

What is going to be interesting is what happens in the secondhand market.  There is most definitely lower demand for new ICE vehicles already, that is likely to filter into the secondhand market and we could see values of secondhand ICE vehicles plummet, especially those ICE cars targeted by competitive Chinese EV's.  People who buy EV's generally love them and become huge fans, they tell their friends and people who hadn't considered one change their position and buy one, it's like a domino effect.

 

The Japanese have been very slow to market with EV's here and haven't had the models available to be able to commit to the production figures of future vehicles made here to get the incentive from the government, a triple whammy, not only the subsidy, but secondly, limited or zero model choice and thirdly, paying a 20% tax import premium makes the case wildly uncompetitive.

 

The future is definitely EV and it appears to me it's Chinese EV here in Thailand.

 

As for Tesla, demand here in Thailand has completely evaporated.  The orders at the motor show prove that, zero to date, even with the refreshed Model 3. Outsold 10 to 1 by BYD in October.  They have lost the plot and the country.  A 20-25% price cut would make all the difference, but Tesla doesn't have the margins of BYD to play with.

It's still hard to beat the value for money of a Toyota Yaris ATIV for 549,000 which is the top selling car in Thailand for a reason.

The only Chinese EV that can compete on price is the Neta V but that doesn't seem like a proper car to me and it might start falling apart in 5 to 10 years.

Some good information here if anyone wants to know more:

https://sherrings.com/bank-savings-deposits-interest-income-tax-reporting-thailand.html

27 minutes ago, topt said:

Presumably because you have gone over the 20k interest level?

Depending on the end of year figure just put it in your tax return - except it may then cost you more than 15%.........

Yes I have gone over it. I just assumed I would only need to pay tax on the excess but apparently not.

6 minutes ago, topt said:

Unless you have given them a TIN I am surprised they are not taking it already.

Remember it is a withholding tax so depending on your tax position you can try to reclaim........ 

I work in Thailand and pay income tax. I have given them my TIN and previously they haven't deducted any tax until this month.

For November they deducted 100% of my interest as tax and when I called them, they said it's because I have to pay tax on all of the interest I have already received this year.

My bank (SCB) told me if you earn over 20,000 baht in interest you have to pay 15% tax on the whole amount, not just the amount that's over 20,000.

Does anyone know if this is correct?

So someone who earns 20,000 exactly pays no tax and someone who earns 20,001 pays 3,000 in tax....seems unfair 🤔.

5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I wonder what the battery chemistry is?

 

350Kw charging hints at NMC technology

 

I do feel it's overpriced, maybe they aren't going to make them here? and perhaps Korean EV's pay more import duty than China?

I'm guessing there are no 350kW public chargers in Thailand? That would solve the problem of condo living with no charging at home.

5 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Perhaps SCB is just withholding tax on your year-to-date interest.  Did SCB withhold tax from your June 25th interest payment?

 

I've given SCB my Thai tax ID so I don't have any tax withheld.

I gave them my tax ID last year and they haven't deducted any tax until now. I'm still working and I'm over the 20,000 tax free interest limit so maybe they are deducting back taxes or something.

I'll call them tomorrow for an explanation.

Same thing happened to me last month and no tax deducted.

This month however I just received my interest at midnight on 25th and then it was all immediately deducted as tax!

100% tax! I thought savings interest is supposed to be taxed at 15%?

Did anyone else check their statement yet?

Same news last year but it's still free:

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/bts-to-begin-charging-fares-on-green-line-extensions-from-august/

They have said this several times before but it never happened as the BMA doesn't have the legal authority to set the fares since the extensions pass through Samut Prakarn and Pathum Thani provinces.

Like most announcements in Thailand, take it with a pinch of salt.

26 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

Thanks for the post. Interesting. I am very surprised though that a replacement battery was needed if the only damage was that hole in the plastic cover. Here's a screen grab from the battery teardown vid I referenced: would be quite a lot of effort to get the battery out of the chassis but after that, I don't see why just changing the cover wasn't an option. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought the same.  Maybe they don't have qualified technicians or the parts available in Thailand as presumably the batteries are assembled in China.

1 minute ago, couchpotato said:

Care to elaborate why you think it's rubbish.

The 'espresso' pods that came with the machine don't taste like espresso at all but more like drip coffee. They don't have the body or mouthfeel of real espresso.

Since then I've started using a stainless steel reusable capsule with my own coffee which is a bit better but still not great as I think the pressure isn't high enough to make real espresso.

I'm considering upgrading to a real espresso machine but the good ones seem to be made in Italy with a lot of tax added on for the Thai price.

I have a Dolce Gusto machine and I think it's a bit rubbish.

Most of the cheaper espresso machines only come with a pressurised double wall portafilter too.

SAIC-CP have started making the MG 4 in Thailand now.

https://www.nationthailand.com/business/automobile/40032564

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

You did not post anything about the price of EVs in Thailand.

 

This is off-topic. Start your own discussion somewhere else.

To be fair I think this is a valid point even for Thailand. As the battery technology improves, older EVs will become less desirable.

I think someone recently mentioned they sold their 4 year old MG ZS EV for 560k which must have been less than half of what they paid for it.

8 hours ago, steve187 said:

my son has 2 dedicated parking spaces in his condo in Bangkok both with dedicated charges one for a mg maxus and one for a bmw i4

Good for him but I'm guessing that's a luxury condo as most condos in Bangkok don't even come with one allocated parking space. Usually it's a free for all with only enough parking for around 35% of rooms and double parking everywhere.

2 hours ago, RabidRenu said:

I have a hunch he probably did deserve it...

 

https://www.ourwatch.org.au/quick-facts/

On average, one woman a week is murdered by her current or former partner. In the year 2021/22, 5606 women (average of 15 women/day) were hospitalised due to family and domestic violence.

And I have a hunch that he didn't...

Judging by the violent nature of the crime...stabbing him several times in the face and leaving him for dead hardly screams self-defense.