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Israel investigates and indicts two murderers who are Israelis. I wonder how Palestine authorities would handle such a case...

Actually, refugee status is usually conferred on everyone in a particular household. Thus, you can have more than just parents and children. It may include grandparents as well as others. The trick is to actually show that they were all apart of the same household. It's not uncommon for people to try to 'sneak' a cousin or two and the occasional aunt.

If you can provide evidence that it was one household, then they are all allowed resettlement.

The legal situation in Germany is rather clear: "family" means closest family members, i.e. spouse and under age children.

Exceptions are possible, but attempts to bring in further family members prove difficult (i.e. close to impossible).

I do not know whether that violates international law, e.g. the Refugee Convention. I guess we have to wait for someone to sue and see how the courts (maybe even in Strasbourg) see it. But right now it is clearly established: just the "core family".

Most of the time, outside of the country where they are being resettled, the 'core family' would include all members of the household. The situation arises, for example, that the minor children of a deceased relative are living with the family. The child is not legally adopted, but culturally, it is a custom for the family to care for the child. He would be allowed, under most circumstances, to go with the rest of the family.

The same thing happens with household members who may be disabled.

The situation in Europe is a little different because they have generally already arrived. But just like the West, they do have anomalies and 'blended' families.

Probably examples where also German authorities might be willing to grant respective visas. Problem being: how to prove such extraordinary situations? And even if there was paperwork done: as my late parents once told me, it is not uncommon that documents get lost in the time of war. I'd say that it depends on numbers. If there are some very extraordinary and believable cases here and there, they will probably be handled generously. If suddenly everyone claims to have adopted a dozen children even that might change. But again, I do not see millions of family members waiting to invade and take over Europe.

That is the lemon next to the pie. Wait until 2030, when all extended family members have arrived to claim their "jizya"(tax infidels must pay to their islamic masters) or welfare as Europeans call it. It is probably illegal to show the estimated cost of this, and after a weeks suspension it's not worth it, the info is out there for anyone interested. Their block votes against the divided caucazoid votes will also yield surprising results for the left, females and homosexuals at the same time.

There will be no "extended family members", if at all, family means spouse and children, that's it.

Liked the European notion in your post, though.

Why should ANY family members be allowed to join them? They abandoned them to a fate they did not want to accept themselves- b****y cowards. Either they should have travelled together, or they should be treated as separate individuals and put into separate camps. Put them together and they will be popping out new babies as fast as possible for the western states to support.

Why are our so called leaders so stupid that they can't see what they are doing with their moronic strategy of taking them into Europe, instead of supporting them in Turkey at a fraction of the price they will cost in Euro, plus no social disruption in Euro?

Is Merkel "outlining" how she is destroying the fabric of her own country? I would guess not.

Art. 6 of the German Constitution protects marriage and family. So, legally there is no choice. Emotionally, everybody has the right to think that refugees should not be together with their spouses and children (I know, I know, no refugees but invaders an' all).

Regarding the high percentage of young males among the refugees: I guess, in most cases it's an economic decision. The family (read: Daddy) decided that the most suitable candidate of the family, usually a son, has to make the journey to support the rest of the family. Sounds strange to us, as we would probably bring the most vulnerable of our family into safety. But economically it makes sense. I doubt that it was easy for these young men to leave their family behind in a war situation. They certainly did not volunteer for that.

That brings us to the number of spouses and children that we can expect to see arriving in Germany. Right now, there are only estimates and none of these estimates are substantiated by reliable facts and figures. But looking at the age of the young men, I doubt that many of them already have wives and children. So, again, no reason to panic. There will be fewer people than we suspect.

And I completely and totally agree, that the refugees should have been supported in the countries they first fled to. I have no idea how the UNHCR could run out of funds. I hope that teaches us a lesson. Give UNHCR the money they need and everybody wins. Out of personal experience I know that they are highly professional and they know what they are doing.

Actually, refugee status is usually conferred on everyone in a particular household. Thus, you can have more than just parents and children. It may include grandparents as well as others. The trick is to actually show that they were all apart of the same household. It's not uncommon for people to try to 'sneak' a cousin or two and the occasional aunt.

If you can provide evidence that it was one household, then they are all allowed resettlement.

The legal situation in Germany is rather clear: "family" means closest family members, i.e. spouse and under age children.

Exceptions are possible, but attempts to bring in further family members prove difficult (i.e. close to impossible).

I do not know whether that violates international law, e.g. the Refugee Convention. I guess we have to wait for someone to sue and see how the courts (maybe even in Strasbourg) see it. But right now it is clearly established: just the "core family".

Saw the pilot of Billions. Found it to be very promising. Some well known faces (e.g. Damian Lewis). U.S. Attorney goes after a billionaire hedge fund manager for insider trading or whatever else will come up. A fight between two giant a-holes. Let the games begin!

Gang

Was wondering if anyone has seen the TV series (not movie) Das Boot and can

give their opinions on it?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081834/?ref_=nv_sr_2

Recently found it's available for download but at over 15 GB's, it's huge.

The series is definitely better than the movie (and I liked the movie very much). I read the book after the film/TV-show and contrary to the author of the book I thought that the production was a rather good adaption of the book. But he complained that in one scene the bombers came from the wrong direction and that the nurses wore the wrong uniforms and that the party on board of the boat would have been "unthinkable" in the German Navy and so on. Well, all these inaccuracies in details that ruined the whole thing.

Anyway, one can say that at that time (of the production, not the war) Germany could offer some decent actors. BTW, one of these actors, namely the war correspondent, made quite the career as a singer in Germany. Never saw him in a film or show again.

But good that you mentioned it. I think it's time to re-watch the series. I still have it on VHS.

That is the lemon next to the pie. Wait until 2030, when all extended family members have arrived to claim their "jizya"(tax infidels must pay to their islamic masters) or welfare as Europeans call it. It is probably illegal to show the estimated cost of this, and after a weeks suspension it's not worth it, the info is out there for anyone interested. Their block votes against the divided caucazoid votes will also yield surprising results for the left, females and homosexuals at the same time.

There will be no "extended family members", if at all, family means spouse and children, that's it.

Liked the European notion in your post, though.

quote from UNHCR "according to the official commentary of the Ad Hoc Committee on Statelessness and Related Problems (E/1618, p. 40) the rights granted to a refugee are extended to members of his family,"

I wish your assertion was true, but sadly it is the case that one single migrant could in theory bring in dozens and dozens of his/her family members with the full entitlement to life on welfare for eternity for all. The 2 million odd economic migrants that arrived in Germany 2015 could swell to be a number around 30 million in just a few years time after family reunification which is an essential part of their "human rights". Nauseating.

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In Germany positively vetted refugees are entitled to family reunion with their spouse and unmarried children less than 18 years of age. Family reunion with other family members may be granted, provided that the refugee is able to support him/herself and provide accommodation for the additional family members i.e. no welfare support.

As has been posted a number of times, which you consistently ignore, approx 40% of those entering Germany are identified as economic refugees or originating from 'safe countries'. The Germans have updated their laws to more easily enforce declined applicants removal from their territory.

Don't know where you got your figure of 2 million economic refugees entering Germany in 2015, presumably a figure from your imagination.

If a family member has been granted refugee status, on what grounds can the same status be refused to his family? (not talking about special personal cases)

As Mutti Merkel's right hand man Dr Schaueble likes to say "Elections can not be allowed to change anything".

Very soon the EU will operate as a super state, controlled by Brussels, and individual member states election results will have to be "approved". More and more a German dominated EU begins to look and act like the Warsaw Pact. And who was a member of the DDR secret state police - good old Mutti Merkel.

A socialist utopia, multicultural, where anything Christian is frowned upon and discouraged whilst Muslims are free to follow their own religion and laws. The Muslim countries were always friendly with the old Soviet Union and their Warsaw pact Empire. Surprise surprise, Mutti has facilitated millions of Muslim migrants into EU and wants to dictate to other countries how many they must accept. And of course these "new citizens" should be given the right to vote and all vote federal socialist.

Denmark, UK, Poland, some of the Eastern states can see this and are beginning to oppose it. Of course the EU will fight back through Juncke the puppet and his bureaucrats. 2016 could be the year EU suddenly finds itself breaking up and with the sad possibility of some violence. The imposition of "EU Border Guards" on member states without their agreement would be the first step to a new EU Military - all under the control of Juncke and his boss Mutti Merkel; and supported by Muslim extremists.

That's a new one: Merkel was member of the Stasi? [emoji1]

Do you know her Stasi-alias? I would really like to know. [emoji23]

"There is no question that the influx of so many people will still demand more from us."--

Yes, especially your money, you foolish woman. About 17 billion euros, it appears, for this year alone.

Germany's federal states are planning to spend around 17 billion euros (12.6 billion pounds) on dealing with the refugee crisis in 2016, the newspaper Die Welt said on Tuesday, citing a survey it conducted among their finance ministries. The sum, bigger than the 15.3 billion euros that the central government planned to allocate to its education and research ministry in 2015, is a measure of the strain that the influx is causing across the country as a whole.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-migrants-germany-costs-idUKKBN0UC02820151229

That is the lemon next to the pie. Wait until 2030, when all extended family members have arrived to claim their "jizya"(tax infidels must pay to their islamic masters) or welfare as Europeans call it. It is probably illegal to show the estimated cost of this, and after a weeks suspension it's not worth it, the info is out there for anyone interested. Their block votes against the divided caucazoid votes will also yield surprising results for the left, females and homosexuals at the same time.

There will be no "extended family members", if at all, family means spouse and children, that's it.

Liked the European notion in your post, though.

I wonder if he was really an ethnic German. They are usually more conscientious and meticulous about these things.

Yes he was.

In hospital his mates claimed that he had fallen down the stairs. When questioned by the police they admitted that their fiend's death "had something to do with the exploded condom machine"

On a less funny note: he had a 6-year old daughter.

Anymore proof needed that Germany has become harmless over the last 70 years?

" Teachers groups in Germany have also said the book should be studied – albeit in a critical way – to the horror of those who survived Nazi atrocities "

This is to show that no matter how long it has passed and atonements and amends Germany has made

in the last 70 years, there will always be those seeds of the vile Nazi past still alive and kicking

somewhere....

No doubt about that. I was posted to Germany for 4 years in the mid-80s. Used to go drinking with my landlord and his buddies now and then. They were in their mid-30s for the most part, born well after the war ended, but the "master race" ideology wasn't hard to see, especially after a few beers. They weren't above tossing a few Nazi salutes around either if they didn't think anyone outside their circle would see them. Just ordinary people, truck drivers, butchers, shop owners but they shared a distinct dislike for East German "defectors" and immigrants. (This was back in the mid-late 80s remember.)

If it wasn't for their laws, their sentiments (and actions) would be a lot more prevalent and I don't doubt that it wouldn't take much for that "nationalist spirit" to start gaining momentum (again), especially if they start having problems with their latest influx of economic immigrants. A lot of angry youth (and others) in that country, like the proverbial powder keg just waiting for a spark.

I don't think Mein Kampf will change things too much. The ultra-rights and neo-Nazis probably already have all the copies they could ever want already. Just like the "Communist Manifesto" by Marx/Engels it probably won't get a lot of mainstream attention anymore. (Unless the media keep publicizing it.)

Just to put your experience into perspective: in 1987 the NPD ended up at 0,6 % of the votes, elections in 2013 had all right wing parties together under 2 %.

Opinion polls see the newest right wing party AfD at 9 %. I seriously doubt that they can keep their voters once the refugee situation is under control, and 9 % for a new party is quite the motivation for the old (and democratic!) parties to get things done.

Six months, and what then? More delay? No decision takes six months.

How long does it take in your country for a law to pass the legal process until it finally goes into force?

One heck of a lot of migrants or refugees can pass through the borders in 6 months and that's what they call a "rapid exam" of the scheme. And if they decide to create this border guard it would probably take another 6+ months to create and deploy it.

Good luck with that.

Contrary to the common EU-hater's belief, it is not possible for any member state to order something and then have it the next day. Instead, 28 member states must come to an agreement and must vote on it. So, I think six months is rather speedy.

It seems, a new universal scapegoat was successfully created. If you like to comment, just scream "asylum seeker", no further explanation needed.

'First time' i sat in the front row was absolute awesome. Got to the cinema in time for the start of the film low and behold speilburgs much hyped saving private Ryan was sold out ,, shock horror !!! barring one front row middlish seat,, , i went from dissapointed to being rocked in my socks,, those open capa based hand held d day landing scenes left me,, truly stunned, almost a new mextra dimension to my cinematic experience. Since then i'm a much maligned convert.

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I can see it both ways: a nice early afternoon in the cinema with a good film, watching it comfortably with no disturbing neighbors. But when it comes to to the real thing, the "Ben Hur" quality, so to say, then I must sit in the front row. For me, it's not watching, it's "being there". Totally overwhelming.

I guess, the stiff neck is the price one has to pay for that experience. But as older I get, as less I am willing to pay that price. So, it must be something extraordinary, otherwise, I just rely on my tiny computer screen. But Star Wars on the small screen? No way!

Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Starts in a couple of days. I'll definitely be seeing this on the big screen, large popcorn, near back row in the middle

Will certainly watch it. But I doubt that it will fascinate me like it did in the seventies and eighties. The computer animation at the time was revolutionary. I think, I saw the first part four times, could not get enough of it. Anyway, at least an aged Harrison Ford will remind me of the good old days.

BTW: regarding the seating, I'm with rijit: only in the front row you know that you are in CINEMA!

I just watched the last episode of the leftovers , i have watched it , its not bad , but now , can anyone explain to me what it was all about?

You remember?

"I don't understand what's happening."

"Me neither."

I guess, that was the scene that explained everything.

Yes! HBO renewed The Leftovers for a third and final season.

Educated guess: it will have a real ending but there will be no answers.

Unforgotten

I believe someone has already mentioned this fine British "police procedural" a few pages back. Excellent acting, great script, very unpredictable. I kept wondering how realistic it was, as far as British police going to such deep lengths to solve an old cold case. The forensic work on display here would cost a fortune, to say nothing of the hours put in by a squad of eight or nine cops, interviewing scores of suspects and witnesses. Do the UK police have no budgetary restraints?

Still, it was a great six episodes. Nobody tops the Brits with shows like these.

NINE, and ten to you if you figure out early who really done it.

No specialist when it comes to British policing, but I know that in Germany there is no difference between a murder case that is one day old or goes back 70 years. If there is the slightest chance, that the murderer is still alive and can be brought to (late) justice motivation is high and budget is never an issue in murder investigations. Old evidence is routinely reevaluated (new scientific methods, new suspects in the database). And even without new evidence British Police regularly reopen unsolved murder cases and start the investigation all over again with new officers and fresh ideas so to say.

Apart from motivation and budget, there is also a legal side to it. If there is no statute of limitation and if by law police are obliged to investigate crimes without having discretionary power to drop a case, then they simply have no choice und must start and complete an investigation no matter what. I know that there is no statute of limitation for murder in the UK, but can police in the UK decide which cases they investigate and which cases they drop? No idea, but I would be very much surprised, if they had that authority. Anyway, better do not mess with them and if there is something hidden in your closet, better come clean now. They'll get you anyway

The Best Offer, a film from 2013. Good cast, sort of a love story between an old man (63) and a young woman (27) suffering from Agoraphobia. Somehow boring but I liked the wealthy environment. 5/10, maybe less.

Unfortunately, I was curious in which cities they filmed. So, I stopped watching for a minute and looked it up. The respective Wikipedia article not only gave me the different locations but also the ending of the film, which I had not seen coming. Piece of advice: if you want to know something about a film, look it up afterwards or avoid Wikipedia (my hands are still trembling on account of their deceit).

I just watched the last episode of the leftovers , i have watched it , its not bad , but now , can anyone explain to me what it was all about?

You remember?

"I don't understand what's happening."

"Me neither."

I guess, that was the scene that explained everything.

I am at episode 3 of Jessica Jones. And to my own surprise, from all the Marvel adventures I like this one best. I think it would even work without the super powers that the characters use once in a while. And I almost gave up when the mandatory lesbian couple showed up. Clearly, that would have been a mistake.