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This might help some people facing financial difficulties https://www.jcwi.org.uk/what-to-do-if-you-cant-afford-to-apply-for-your-first-visa Doesn't help me though....

Ah, "New Conservatives" (an amalgm of the unfortunately named National Conservatives (Nat-Cs) and some other groups of Red Wallers).

Lets not forget said visa applicants are often also required, at their own expense, to undergo medical examination to ensure they are not a burden to the NHS that they are paying for. Or if working, probably paying twice over and subsidising treatment of others.

Health Service Charge is annual fee to access NHS; its paid in advance, and is refundable if the visa application is unsuccessful. So a 2.5 year visa required 2.5 years worth of charges in advance. Those migrants gaining employment in the NHS get the fee reimbursed. A week ago, the Home Secretary proposed raising the fee to £2000 per year. Its effectively a tax. You cannot opt out and decide to pay for private health insurance instead (private healthcare insurance is on average £1500 per year). Potentially, a Briton could attend 6th Form, get a NI credit, no NI credit for graduate and postgraduate study, then fall ill with a chronic condition. They would, rightfully, be able to access the NHS and potentially Continuing Healthcare services, completely free of charge, irrespective of NI "stamps". Similarly, a Briton could go to college, maybe even a non-UK college, get a nice job in the Middle East or Asia, and then, maybe at the end of a 40-50 year, possibly tax free, career, invest in property in the old country (and many do), and from the moment they step off the plane at Heathrow, have 100% access to the NHS for all of their healthcare needs (dependant on NICE and MHRA decisions). Potentially without spending a single penny of their earnings on National Insurance. Because access if based on where you live, not how rich/poor you are, or the colour of your passport. In the year to June 2022, 25,893 Partner visas were granted, which seems to be 30-35% down on the number granted in 2019. So the costs for a 2.5 year Partner visa is around £4300, paid up front, somehow. I wonder if they take Visa. Repeat, inflation/election adjusted 2.5 years later. ~£111 million contribution to the re-election fund each year. The £26m raised per year for the NHS equates to 0.014% of the annual budget. Looking to see how many 2 hours per week cleaning jobs there are in UK care homes etc.

It can't be done in a day now. The MFA apparently no longer does an express service. They need 3 working days, which makes things a bit tight to get done in the same period, considering the Embassy only takes appointments on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And the MFA shuts for the day at 3pm, and obviously closed at weekends. So, with a morning Tuesday appointment at the Embassy, getting the paperwork to the agency for translation and notorisation, then having it couriered to the MFA before 3pm, I might just about be able to get married the following Monday afternoon.

The affirmation of marriage application says you need to provide the name of the Amphur and date. I'm using an agency to do all the translation and legwork to the MFO, plus sort out a booking at the Amphur. So I don't have an actual date (beyond the date I'd want it to happen). Does it have to be the exact date?

For: https://www.book-consular-appointment.service.gov.uk/TimeSelection?location=53&service=35 1. How far in advance are new appointment dates released? 2. Are appointments actually only every available on Tuesdays and Thursdays? 3. Why does Firefox show currently zero slots for all dates, but Edge shows quite good availability Needed for attestation of marriage, but not sure whether to book my ticket now for September direct with the airline, that is fully rebookable, or take a chance with Kayak etc and book a more restricted ticket. There is about a £400 difference from the UK.

UK government considering extending residence requirement in UK for Indefinite Leave to Remain from 5 years to 8 years. Caveat its the Daily Mail; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12156381/Foreigners-wait-longer-British-citizens.html So for Partner visa, @2.5 years per visa, that will mean 1 x visa application fee (£1577), 3x visa renewal fees (3x £1033), 8x NHS surcharge (8x£624) plus ILR fee (£2,404) (12,072) rather than current 1 x visa application fee (£1577), 1x visa renewal fees (1x £1033), 5x NHS surcharge (5x£624) plus ILR fee (£2,404) (£8,134). Seems like a money making exercise.

For those interested, anyone with a Thai passport with such a stamp in is blocked from applying for a new one until any blacklisting has expired.

For a Partner Visa, I have £1500+ to lose (non-refundable). Immigration Rules Appendix FM S-EC.1.4.(c) make it clear: Though common sense suggests there is a difference between a beak handing down 1 year versus 4 weeks because they didn't have the money to pay the fine. But anyhow, a good Malaysian friend (consultant Surgeon in the UK) who had a particularly nasty run in with the HMG (threatened with deportation because he asked permission to attend a wedding in KL. Cost him £5k in lawyer fees to stay in the UK, missing the wedding of course, due to the arbitrary nature of a nameless official), is looking into the Malaysian codes I have to confirm what was the actual offence. I suspect there is no leeway, hence the manual, but time is a probable solution. Her current passport in in her previous married name, which being Thailand means she had a first name chosen by her ex-husband, because he didn't like her given name. Her ID card is in her maiden name and new given name. So she needs a new passport. She thought she would have to wait for her current one to expire before getting a new one, which isn't the case. She just has to apply for a new one and the current one is canceled.

I have now read S-EC.1.4(c), and well understand it now. Wait until December 11 2024, unless Appendix FM is revised. Hopefully PM Starmer by then. Not that I would normally vote for his party. Present HS has a screw loose and looks to low hanging fruit to get herself out of trouble.

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So I suspect the large number of members of this forum who have confessed to overstaying in Thailand are basically criminals for life, and should be denied visas for any other country. In addition, their obvious untrustworthiness would mean they should be banned from certain positions or coming into contact with the vulnerable. This seems consitant with your point. Malaysia began a draconian policy some years back, replacing the previous overstay fine system with mandatory jail time. Another Guesser. Blocked based on off topic worthless replies.

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Ignoring those guessing.

My Thai fiance has an irregular travel history, from before I knew her, and while I have no intention of witholding information if asked, I am unsure if it will affect the success of an application for UK Holiday or Partner Visa. In September 2019, she traveled to Malaysia for work, with friends, via an "agency", to whom she paid 7000 Baht for "insurance". She worked in massage. Previously, she was an electronics engineer with a Japanese firm in Bangkok for 13 years until divorcing her husband (who was also her manager). As she puts it, on her first day at work she did one foot massage, then went shopping at the local market before being picked up by the Malaysian Police (I assume there are regular raids in the area). She was 3 days in a holding cell, before being bailed. She is unclear who paid the bail, but I suppose it was the shop, who kept her passport for surity. I think once being bailed, she could have simply checked out of Malaysia, and that would be that. But she had no passport and dutifuly reported to the police station on a regular basis, until the Malaysians suddenly rearrested her and her friends, and threw her in a pretty miserable sounding prison (15 to a cell, sleeping on the floor, a bit of rice and some disgusting rotted fish to eat. Eventually her court date came around, a few days after the 30 days she had been originally permitted to stay in Malaysia (so essentially about 1 month on remand). The Court process was in English, which she didn't understand, and she had no representation. The result was another month in prison, deportation and a 5 year black listing (until December 2024). The stamps and scribbles in her passport, as much as I can determine, relate to an overstay offence. Googling, it seems there are many students, interns, who got the same stamp and were thrown out. The whole experience seemed to have shocked her; in prison, there were many different nationalities. A lot of underage Vietnamese girls, but also hardened Malaysian criminals who seemed to have no problems getting extras into the prison. I understand, for the UK, all travel history for the last 10 years has to be provided, along with any convictions. As related, are these events likely to have a significant impact on the outcome of a visa application, or unlikely to merit much concern?

Dementia has not been mentioned. Using the US population as representative of a Western population, 5% of 65-74 year olds will have Alzheimers, 13% of 75-84 year olds have, and after 84 years, its 33%. There's no cure. Early diagnosis means you can receive medication that slows the pace of the disease in some people, but by the end, you are on a bunch of anti-psychotics to control your behaviour. AD is also a terminal diagnosis; AD will in the end kill you, usually cardiac failure as the bits of the brain die off. The irony is, in the UK, the majority of pace maker recipients have dementia; the pacemaker keeps the patient alive long after the patient has gone. Familiies have to resort to court orders to get the thing turned off, to prevent a continuance of a living nightmare. Dementia is a diagnosis few people accept or believe. In 2017 my father, who had been living alone for 4 months while his wife was in hospital. was diagnosed with AD. No major crisis had triggered the mini mental test, just little changes in behaviour about the house. He passed away in September last year, after 2 weeks basically comatose at home. The Docs wanted him fitted with a pacemaker. This family pushed against that; he wouldn't have gotten out of hospital, a miserable end. Looking back, at first he was dismissive of the diagnosis, insisting they had made a mistake. Those who did not know him might have agreed; outwardly, he was fully functio.nal. For a while, if I let him, he might have been able to drive his car. Two years in, it was more apparently, but he was still reasonably independant, popping down to the shops, even using a card machine to pay for a pub meal. He was even taking himself to the hospital for macular degeneration checks. At that stage, he knew there was something wrong with him, but couldn't recall what it was (for reference, he was a retired army Captain, 50 years in the medical field, and in retirement, he had gained a BA ans MA in Humanities)/ From 2020-22, he went downhill rapidly, possibly hastened by COVID lockdowns. He couldn't dress himself, subject to foul mouthed outbursts, increased anxiety, defecating in bed. His time was improved by family and carers, and he still enjoyed some good times. But AD doesn't completely rob the individual. Most of the time, in conversations, he would recycle the same old anecdote, increasingly things from when he was a child; perhaps it was his attempt to remain relevant, join in a conversation. But sometimes, there was a light bulb moment, and he had regained his faculties, and you could actually have a conversation that didn't involve him recalling doodle bugs over London. Given the incidence of dementia, and its prognosis, how would that go for an expatriate in Thailand. Living in an alien culture, probably diagnosis will be very late (social faux pas dismissed as something unique to foreigners). Without diagnosis, there is a good chance you will be found lost, possibly in a Thai prison cell. in a pretty miserable way (semi-starved, dehydrated)/ With a diagnosis, what then? You end up a burden to Thai society, unless you are flown home and dumped on the street. With Dementia, patients lose the right to refuse treatment. Others have to act in your best interests. It was very hard for me to tell the doctors not to fit a pace maker to a man who had been told he was in heart failure, but I also knew that Dad would not want the treatment.. This is different from a DNR. This chap was lucky, in that he had a Thai family to look out for him. I suspect there are many not so lucky: https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2270423/french-man-lost-in-chiang-mai-forest-found-safe

I'm considering using an agent for a Thai marriage, and reading these replies, it seems worth it. The Agent I am speaking to is coming from my fiance as a recommendation of friend of a friend's daughter, which probablyh means I will now have to use this agent and no other. After initially quoting a ridiculously low 2500 Bht, they came back with 25,000 " we take care of eveything, you not worry". Is this fair, and is there scope to knock a bit off (ie. get my own quotes to see if they will come down a bit), or is pricing fairly rigid?

UK Tax treaty, with a section on PE: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/507424/uk-thailand-dtc180281_-_in_force.pdf BoI have told me that LTR is supposed to provide tax advantages to individuals not companies. I am a Director of Research; my role might on occasion involve interaction with sales or the consulting team, but I am never involved in contract signing. But that role might change. Its perfectly plausible that I might be involved in sales to Thai entities (the Thai government is one of our clients), or signing off a custom project. Merely being located in Thailand could affect what I can do or cannot do for the company, and that affects career prospects and certainly job security. The issue is what incentive there is for my employer. This is something I want to do (live and work from Thailand), not a requirement from them. As a Public Company, it would be highly remiss of them to not seek professional lawyerly advice on the impact this would have on the company. At one level, the official policy is that I would be paid a salary based on the local rate, which could be 50% of my current salary, which would kill this for me, even if there were no other issues. I have too many UK financial committments. I probably want to continue with NI payments. My immediate line manager has no issue maintaining my current salary, but I suspect that's not really in how power; I am dependant on the largesse of the employer. What happens after 5 years? You might hope that Thailand extends for another 5 years. Or they might not. Similarly, your employer might take a different view. What happens if your job ends (redundancy for instance). You can't stay in Thailand automatically. Taxation arrangements will change if you take another job (supposing permits. visas worked out). I've had a conversation with an International Tax Consultant who is thinking about exactly the same move. He's concluded the process is too opaque to risk the standing of his employer.

Ask the employer about permanent establishment, risk of. If the company has a subsidiary already, its possibly not a problem. But then they'll put you on Thai wages, which might not be $80k a year. If the company doesn't have a Thai subsidiary, then there is the risk of Permanent Establishment, which basically means the company might become liable to Thai corporation tax, @ 20% on Thai revenues. If they company cannot show the Thai revenues, then I think they get docked 5%. The terms depends on the tax treaty between Thailand and your country. For the UK, and most others, Permanent Establishment happens if the employee is involved in any sales role or signs contracts, that might involve a Thai entity. I'd thought it was implied. But for me, a Thai salary would be half my current, and I have a mortgage to pay. My role isn't sales, but my role might involve signing contracts in the future. A move to Thailand will limit my work in the company. But it rests on a Lawyer's reading of "habitual" in the tax treaty. Likely the Company Lawyer will say no way. And in 5 years time, what then? Will Thailand even still have a LTR scheme? Others might suggest a non-Immigrant B visa and work permit if working for a Thai entity. Not sure of the accuracy, but be prepared to be depressed https://www.chrislross.com/PPPConverter/

The LTR people at the BOI came back to me with a simple response: Its not even a 10 year visa. They issue it for 5 years, then you renew. In that time, the Thai government could withdraw the visa, change the conditions. As ment.ioned, its superficially attractive I guess the work permit route is best. The subsidiary isn't fully integrated into the company (its registered name is still the original trading name). I'm not even sure it has much of a future in Thailand (its just one part of an acquisition). And my company reserves the right to put me on a Thai wage, which might be anywhere from about the same as now, to less than half my current salary (if I can trust the various estimates of Thai director salaries), though my own manager would be happy paying me the same (it might be sterling converted into Baht at the time of a move, better hope Sterling doesn't strengthen....).

For me the personal income tax issue was already pretty clear. The more important issue was Permanent Establishment; whether me moving to Thailand would have a significant impact on the financials and costs to my employer, the company. A poster was supposedly told verbally by BOI that there was a PE exemption, but no documentary proof has been provided to date. See:

I'm in the UK. UK-Thailand Tax Treaty https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/507424/uk-thailand-dtc180281_-_in_force.pdf On the face of it, point 3e is me, and to an extent 3d. But there is clearly a restriction on what I can do or what I will be able to do. On the

Interesting. Point noted on the subsidiary. However, for UK companies, the express territorial limits of the Employment Rights Act 1996 were repealed in 1999, meaning employees of UK companies overseas do retain employment rights....maybe. It is a subsidiary, not a distributor. Though to be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if it is shuttered and the functions moved to India. https://www.internationalworkplace.com/about-us/news-and-insight/do-you-know-employment-rights-employees-working-abroad This document, from when they were drafting the LTR regulations flags up PE; almost sounds like they hadn't thought of this, and were looking to address it (maybe): https://resolution.soc.go.th/PDF_UPLOAD/2565/P_406340_25.pdf