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Yes I saw that and tried to post it but others had different ideas! Just so you know, apparently it's OK to say Bangkok Post, you just can't link or post anything from them, so, Bangkok Post, Bangkok Post Bangkok Post! ???? I posted this in another thread, I think this is how it ought to have been played and how I might want to play things, if in her situation....all theoretical of course and ignores the emotional/situational aspects: A better approach of course might have been to say oops, I'm sorry, I didn't know vaping equipment is illegal in Thailand (which is true), of course I should be charged (which is also true)...let's go. At the station, the coin may drop with more senior people, hmm, this is the first person we've ever charged for this crime, perhaps we should let her go. Or, in court the judge may have the same reaction, if indeed a lawyer in the meantime didn't intervene. There's no extortion, there's no bribery charge and the fine would likely be less.

A better approach of course might have been to say oops, I'm sorry, I didn't know vaping equipment is illegal in Thailand (which is true), of course I should be charged (which is also true)...let's go. At the station, the coin may drop with more senior people, hmm, this is the first person we've ever charged for this crime, perhaps we should let her go. Or, in court the judge may have the same reaction, if indeed a lawyer in the meantime didn't intervene. There's no extortion, there's no bribery charge and the fine would likely be less.

Do you know if she will be charged with bribing a police officer?

The tiles in the picture may be clay coloured but I'm pretty certain they are in fact concrete and of a type and style in wide use everywhere here.

Certainly no tar paper but very possibly a radiant barrier which is aluminum foil like sheeting which is easily cut and retaped.

Yes, that is what I was trying to explain when I said the tile may be wired to the batton, it could of course be pegged as you describe. But it's only necessary to release the first peg/screw or wire from the underneath or inside of the roof, thereafter any peg/screw or wire can be removed from the outside by reaching in and under the next tile.The process is to lift up the lower end of the tile above, this allows any wire of peg tpo be removed or cut from the tile underneath. It's a simple enough task, all concrete roof tiles are managed in a similar way..

Apparently not, it must be past bed time I guess!

Nope, you're still not there. The poster asked the sequence of events, eg did the lady first post her story on Facebook and did the local media in Taiwan pick up the story from there, I reaffirmed that's what happened. Are you there yet?

Your roofers are talking nonsense, those tiles can be individually removed and replaced, I've done it loads of times. It is possible, although highly improbable, that each tile is wired to the strut, in which case a trip into the roof void may be necessary to cut the first wire, thereafter it can all be done externally.

Oh dear Bill, you really didn't understand, did you! The poster asked and I confirmed the sequence of events regarding how the story came out, where it was posted/published first second etc, not what the sequence of events was during the incident/police stop. Take a big breath and read more slowly.

Yessss!

The skills and powers of AN posters never cease to amaze, all the incredible things they can do from the safety and comfort of their Burnley bedsit Bangkok boudoir, solve crimes, judge court cases, spot doctored CCTV, remarkable.

As soon as the CCTV footage is shown, which I hope it never is, some eagle eyed posters will notice a flicker at xx.yy and shout gleefully, ah ha, I told you so, they doctored the video footage....the crooked bar stewards. Big sigh.

Your understanding of the bigger picture is better than mine at present. I confess I am at the limits of my knowledge at this point and can't manage to find anything that paints a conclusive picture, for me. I do accept that your interpretation may be correct, it's just that I can't put my hand on my heart and say it is. I have hands on experience with NACHA and SWIFT and also with APACS etfpos, the part I'm not certain about is international clearings and cross border POS which I was hoping somebody else on AN could help clarify. The other aspect I'm unsure about is whether all cross border transactions are treated in the same way, I think that retail sales and cash with drawls may be handled differently , as might transactions involving RMB versus other currencies. I shall keeping looking and may tap some contacts for input.

It's good manners, polite and saves others wasting their time, sparing for no childish purpose, everyone knows where they stand.

Off with her head.

Publicity, following, are you that naive.

Excellent, too funny and a great analogy. Thanks! I'll have a go at the other stuff later, I'm full on this AM.

Obviously? Hahaha, you funny. I like Chuwit, he's doing some good things but he does have an agenda. Of course there's a CCTV video, we all know that, but exactly what it shows and what the poor dear is actually facing is another question entirely, I seriously doubt it can be seen that she is facing extortion, I mean, how does CCTV video show that, based on the stills we have seen and the distance involved.

Personally, I wouldn't trust social media to confirm if the sun was shining or not, there's too many experts telling us the true story about what happened in Thailand, from bed sits in Burnley..

I think I've learned enough after so many years here to understand that these small foreigner surcharges are part of the system and not something to get upset or excited about, dual pricing exists in many areas, why not in police fines also! I don't view that as supporting corruption, I view that as understand and accepting how things work, there is no benefit on the effort/reward scale where trying to push back against that system is worthwhile. Do I have links to senior RTP? I bought my house because it suited is, was the right price in the right location, it just happened to have been constructed and owned by a police general. Should I have said no, I can't buy the house from you because you were RTP (now retired)...tricky that! And one of neighbours further down the soi is RTP, he and his wife are nice people who have helped us and we have helped them, we've shared many meals together. Should I not do that, just because he is RTP....another tricky one that! In that context, yes, I do have links to RTP, so? None of the above has much to do with the subject of the OP yet it does indirectly. I'm pretty certain that time will show that the lady in question, ba nam pen tua (sic) and that her accusations were not valid, let's wait and see shall we. In the meantime, I'm willing to keep an open mind regarding guilt or innocence, not so most other posters here....which is really sad.

"he walked up to them to complain about what he thought was their poor manners and attitude". The pedestrian equivalent of honking your horn repeatedly to point out the poor driving of a Thai driver.

You're actually in the the number 4 slot, only a couple of people are permanently ignored, others get reviewed and reinstated after I think they're become more normal once again, which obviously takes some people much longer than others. The chap before you was more difficult. I've known him for years and years but one day he just flipped and began trolling and wouldn't stopped - I see no reason why I should have to see that nonsense. Even after I sent him to Ignore, he continued trolling by PM.....I mean really! I fear he may never fully recover because he keeps mentioning his new status to everyone, at every opportunity. There have been a couple who made my list where I found out later I'd got it wrong, one of whom I'm quite chummy with now because we both seem to have a similar outlook and standard for debate. I suppose everyone has their off days, from time to time.

My only solution is to put you on my ignore list until this obsession passes and your normal rational self returns...talk again in a couple of weeks perhaps, bye.

That is exactly what happened, that was the sequence of events..