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50 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

You appear to have got lost with all your twisting and turning. My original post was in response to the above. Below is what you could have written to better explain your experiences:

 

In some places I've been to in UK I you literally risk getting mugged or beaten up by local youths hanging around or simply in need of cash at all hours. . You can walk into some  pubs, look at someone in the wrong way and get beaten senseless although that has never actually happened to me nor have i ever witnessed it. Never get that where I've been in Isaan.

 

 

Once more, scraping the barrel. Forums are about general statements. Yours are entirely the same. Some, some, some...

Go ahead and finally give your response.

How safe is living in Isan for you?

31 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

You ask nationality as you walk past these groups that worry you in UK?

 

That could be part of the problem

Nothing Todo with nationality in the UK. They're English, British, couldn't care less. I don't stop to ask. It's the age, and general look.

You know exactly what I'm talking about. Don't play dumb. 

43 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

I'm not sure what a psychologist would call that 

Have you been threatened before by youths in hoodies?

It's understandable,but I think based on past experience

 

It's interesting to see what the "psychological" is behind that if there is any psychologist on here 

May I throw the question back to you?

Do you feel at ease walking through a group of teens, young adults whatever we are to call them, at night in the UK?

In London a no-go area means that the police would avoid going into the place without full back-up? They are also advised not to wear their uniforms in some places because of the threat of violence.

I've never been to Banyang, no idea where it is in fact but is this comparable to this?

26 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

I'm not sure what a psychologist would call that 

Have you been threatened before by youths in hoodies?

It's understandable,but I think based on past experience

 

It's interesting to see what the "psychological" is behind that if there is any psychologist on here 

I did say paranoia plays a role sure.

I've had 2 attempted muggings in London, both by groups of young youths. I've been to football matches where thugs embark on violent missions purely for the thrill of it. I'm proud to be English but I'd be the first to say that young English men pose more threat of violence than any other nationality. Again, based only on my experience. 

I've never felt that in Isan, nor Thailand on the whole. There is a plentitude of absolute idiots among the population here but in my opinion, I don't fear groups of Thai kids kicking the hell out of me for my phone or the like. I don't fear drinking in another town and being attacked for wearing the wrong football shirt. It's purely in response to the question. How safe is Isan. To me, much, much safer in response to street crime, road situations excluded.

I'd consider myself streetwise and I've never been in any "serious" altercation to call upon that I can recall. However, when I visit the UK each year I feel like the public and authorities are losing control of the local areas.

No need for psychology. Based upon prior experience and the general behaviour in which they conduct themselves.

More to do with stereotypes and constant stories of street crime in the UK. Some people will choose to criticise such anxiety but it exists.

I'd love to walk comfortably through a group of such folk, say good evening and feel totally at ease but I'm sharing how the situation makes me and countless others feel when encountering the same.

7 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Going way off topic and off on a tangent like that detracts from the prior points you made!

Agreed. Bit of a rant for sure but I stand by it. We have the divine right to destroy animals at will yet see reason to allow our own species that commit far worse atrocities to continue to live and in many situations , repeat the behaviour or increase the evil in it.

Please...please..put your reading specs on. I specifically said ISOLATED MAYBE....go look again.

Apart from lunatic drivers in Isan....I feel no threat from locals. Again, you're simply agreeing with what I said yet trying to belittle it. It's the same thing you've just mentioned.

I have never said whole towns. I said "I" don't feel safe in certain situations (town centers on a Saturday night, or when approaching local youths)

You need a trip to Specsavers.

4 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

It was you that started using whole countries by comparing Isaan to UK, as a whole. 

 

I pointed out " In some places in UK. Some pubs. Some places in Isaan too."

 

You asked about personal experience. Then you ask if I watch the news. Watching the news is not personal experience.

 

I went into 6 pubs on Saturday night. Nothing to worry about. I've been in a night club in Buriram when things have kicked off. Also had to protect myself and my wife in an instance of heritage rage.

 

That's why I used "some" in my post and have not used "never".

 

Some parts of Isaan are no go areas. As are some parts of Suffolk,Norfolk (As you’ve) mentioned) Devon (where I live) or other parts of UK. Other parts will only very occasionally have issues.

 

Hence my original reply to you "

 

In some places in UK.

 

Some pubs. 

 

Some places in Isaan too."

What places are no go areas in Isan?

I'm not talking about isolated places like snooker clubs or such but general life on the streets. Everyday, normal life on the whole.

Answer this honestly. Would you feel safer walking around a town center in the UK at night (as a previous member raised) or any given town in Isan?

6 pubs one night might be safe 1 weekend and then a completely different story the next. I was sitting in a pub garden, our local, with a group of friends a few years back when a random woman simply rammed a pint glass into another woman's face yards away from us. Her only motive being she took offence to someone from another town coming to her town. Isolated maybe but I don't get that feeling sitting here. 99.9 percent of people here just enjoy themselves with kids running around unharmed.

And please, as I answered in reply to this topic, Isan is a very safe place to live, answer the topic question yourself. How safe do you feel living in Isan? My point has always been that I feel 100 percent safe. I'd recommend it in a heartbeat. I wouldn't recommend the UK anymore and I take no pleasure in saying that. I grew up in London and never felt concerned as a kid. Then it changed and it's never felt safe since.

I personally don't feel safe walking around areas of the UK at night. I don't feel safe knowing my kids are out on  their own in England. Not everywhere granted, but I'd never allow them out after dark to go to the local shops. If I see a group of youths, hoodies, various races, both white and others, I immediately find myself tense up. Maybe paranoia sure but in comparison, no, I've never had that feeling here. That's why I can say I appreciate the feeling of security, safety and lack of threat living in Isan.

Apart from lunatic drunk and dangerous driving I feel no threat whatsoever from the locals.

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

Adelaide taxi driver Mr Oake, 28, and Som had been holidaying in Prasat, near Surin in northeastern Thailand, for two months when they travelled between villages and were set upon by three men in a drug-fuelled, racially motivated attack in March 2010.

His attackers had been drinking on the night of the incident near Som’s village of Prasat, 410km northeast from Bangkok. Thai police say the men had also consumed methamphetamines.

Mr Oake was slashed in the head and on his arms with a homemade machete.

The topic asks if I feel threatened or safe.

Based on my experience I feel safe, as do all I know here.

That incident is isolated and over 10 years old. There were arguments that it related to a road rage incident. Not saying it did but it's inconclusive.

Tragic as it was it's not representative of everyday life here. That's like using the Tsunami to warn people from visiting Phuket.

Personally speaking, if you live here, lock your property because there is theft. Be sensible and respectful and you'll encounter no problems. 

People can knit pick all day long but in general . I feel very secure here.

11 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

I have not posted that I've never experience it. You made that bit up.

 

I've also never denied it happens in UK.

 

21 years in Thailand and 32 years in UK. I have felt equally safe in both countries.

 

That leads me back to my original comment which was " in some places". Not all of either country is dangerous or perfectly safe.

 

No need for outbursts.

You've pestered and picked on my post which was explicitly clear when I made the point I feel safe here.

That is based on having seen street crime and been subjected to it whilst living in London and Suffolk. I have never had any form of physical threat from locals whilst living here. 

The post is about Isan not all of Thailand like you're now saying.

So please, tell us, like the topic asks, how safe is living in Isan, based on you finally saying that you feel safe here. 

That's exactly what I said all along yet for some obscure reasons you have questioned my response.

As for you saying that you've always felt safe in the UK, that's good for you but there are untold instances of yob culture impacting innocent lives. Either you don't follow the news or believe that the media are all leading us on and street violence is a myth.

5 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

The risks are there. 

 

I don't post about things I don't know about or haven experienced. 

 

You have not seen it so you think it doesn't happen. That's fine.

 

No need for outbursts.

I've posted about experiences in the UK. So I have seen it, regularly.

You're criticizing yet openly admit you haven't seen it or experienced anything.

What's the point? 

I've lived in the UK and Thailand in equal durations and have family in both countries. Both myself and others have reported grievances in the UK dished out by local yobs. I have never, ever met a soul in Thailand who's been attacked without reason by local Thai youths.

20 years travelling around Thailand and not once have I felt threatened whilst walking around.

I am basing my opinion on experience. Like you've freely admitted. Your argument is based on zero facts, zero experiences. 

On 12/22/2023 at 9:50 PM, youreavinalaff said:

You said " risk". Not " experience of".

 

One kid in Nofolk does not a dangerous country make.

That's an example and a personal experience. Do you have any of your own to add to your point, if you have one at all?

Yes, I said 'risk' and so where is the risk of being mugged or attacked by local youths prevalent in Isan? Where's the risk you are claiming? I've never seen kids here acting that way, not in the way they do in the UK. The risk in the UK is very real to people all over the country. Is it here? Come on....give us the experience of your life in Thailand and 1000s more that fear a trip to their local 7-11 of an evening. 

Back yourself up with some form of experience or facts that prove whatever point you're making. Or hazard an opinion on how safe Is an is. Which is the topic.

Given the fact that this happens all the time with Thai customers and involves the consent of the victim's families surely there should be an investigation into why this continues to happen.

Certain the powers that be allow it to continue which is the head of the snake. Get the authority members named and shamed for taking their cut to turn a blind eye, or most likely, join in. 

20 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

In some places in UK.

 

Some pubs. 

 

Some places in Isaan too.

Honestly? You have experience of being mugged, attacked or intimidated by gangs of hooded toads hanging around streets in Isan?

Granted someone can take a dislike of you if they feel like it anywhere in the world but I've never felt threatened in the same way here as back home.

I remember a kid of about 8 screaming obscenities at others in a busy beauty spot in Norfolk. When told to mind his language he started hurling abuse at the old couple.

Never in Isan. Never in Thailand.

I've been living in Thailand for 20 years. I've never felt threatened. I have a long list of complaints about living here but 1 thing I value over living back home is safe streets.

I have had things, including my motorbike stolen but never felt physical danger.

In the UK you literally risk getting mugged or beaten up by local youths hanging around or simply in need of cash at all hours. You can walk into a pub, look at someone in the wrong way and get beaten senseless. Never get that here.

Isan above all places is safe. I'd say the one way to get into an altercation is on the road. Beeping your horn would do it or of course running a female up the wrong way. But no, I feel very safe from physical threat.

Can't say I'd leave my house unlocked though.

On 12/19/2023 at 1:03 PM, herfiehandbag said:

They weren't really neutral in WW2.

They declared for the Axis (more particularly for Japan). That they were utterly ineffective is not the point, if Japan had won, as they thought it would when they went in, they would have been strutting the stage big time!

Bang on the money. They backed the wrong side and jumped ship before it sank.

Saying that, like now, most natives haven't a clue as to what the consequences are. They follow like sheep.

In all honesty, no major country in the world cares what Thailand think as they aren't taken seriously. They pose no threat to anybody and offer nothing on a global scale. They're a tourist destination or retirement option at best. They deserve a say in affairs but probably speak at the time most leaders went for a fag break.

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

 

As it seems your vocabulary only stretches to suggest I've swallowed dictionary (this is defensive for "I had to loo it up"?) - my guess is you don't recognise a false dichotomy when you use one?

 

PS - as you don't seem to understand the word facile either here's  the appropriate definition  - "ignoring the true complexities of an issue; superficial" - as you see, te comment is self-explanatory to most.

I can understand everything you and your chat gpt are spouting out. But you make zero sense as you've offered nothing.

I'll repeat so you can hear me above the beagles barking l in your shooting lodge, what is your argument on the subject then?

I asked you before, what is your opinion? Be brave old boy and offer something rather than pick and poke and attempt to sound intelligent.

My limited vocabulary comes from saying what I think rather than trying to sound superior to all around me. 

Self-explanatory to most.....surely that's an assumption on your behalf old boy what what.....

Most people who try to use others to backup their comments, usually have a few issues old chum. So Tally-ho

8 hours ago, kwilco said:

an utterly facile and spurious argument.

Well go on.....give us your take on it rather than swallowing a dictionary and trying to sound superior.

What's your actual argument? 

15 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Humans have got to be the most disgusting species.  

 

How many years has this 'undisclosed facility' been operation out in the open, with full knowledge of officials?

Agreed in principle but in relation to animal cruelty I'd like to believe this wouldn't happen so frequently in the west. Cruelty to animals is found widespread in Asia and Thailand are at the top of the list when it comes to mistreating both animals and fellow humans.

Agreed about humans however. The world would be a better place if nature was allowed to take its natural course instead of killing for the sake of sport, tourism and often simply without reason.

But wait...we do protest against killing serial paedoes, rapists and murders don't we? Destroy animals as we see fit but protect filth like those.

17 hours ago, expat_4_life said:

I'm not a fan of so many tourists, no matter where they originate ... can I just time travel back to the 80's when the country had a mere 2 million?

The dependence on tourism has transformed the economy in ways that are acutely obvious when one looks at the wreckage of the Covid years, shuttered shops, bankruptcies, island/resort ghost towns and at least a temporary migration back to the rural areas.

The increasing surge of tourists has also done untold environmental damage and demolished the "Thai" way of life.  What were once idyllic islands, fisherman villages and pristine beaches have been transformed into condos, hotels, shopping malls, traffic jams, the list goes on.

Saddened to reflect back on the very things that attracted me to Thailand long ago and realize they are gone forever

Agreed wholeheartedly in regards to how it's ruined Thailand.

The people that have ruined it however are the natives. Their way if life was very quickly swapped for the opportunity to get rich quick from tourism. They continue to build and overdevelop and they have no regard for nature or tradition.

I don't really take note of where the tourists come from. To me, the worst invaders by far are actually the Bangkokians when they travel anywhere. 

This clown would be on the mental health list in a western country. However, he's top of the tree here but then think about what creatures give way in the wild to allow such positions.

However...in his defence, nobody can change the mindset of this lot. I've never been taught to swim safely in a riptide but seeing enough people drown in them tells me to avoid the situation. Out here, they see accidents, death, destruction everyday on the roads and on the news and yet they continue to drive like idiots. They'll never change until you hit them hard in the pocket. Impound the vehicles and issue hefty fines or even imprison the holes who endanger or kill others.

He introduced a theme....a theme to stop people killing each other once again! How can you treat people like adults when you're dealing with morons? Let's play a game...we all love games...let's not kill people so much. Funny....funny....game.

How about...our BIB gave been told to get as much cash as they can from bad driving? We're aiming to raise billions from fining you then taking your vehicles from you and selling them because you won't afford the fine? 

TAT has given up making an income increase so we'll make it up from the pockets of any drunk, wreckless and illegal driving. 365....we're going to get rich and you'll be without wheels.

I wonder where they ate it.

I've had some lovely krapow but equally some awful versions.

I associate it with a meal I eat when I can't decide what else I want.

Tastes great but ask yourself, if you're at a buffet and have international food or Panang, Tom Yum, and other Thai food on offer and sitting there is kaprow...would you bother with it?

Decent grub but nowhere near top cuisine.

7 hours ago, bradiston said:

 

From The Thaiger article:

 

"Thalerngsak contacted the Thai embassy for advice. The embassy spoke to the supposed police officers and informed Thalerngsak that they were not actual officers. However, fearing for the safety of his mother and aunt, he negotiated and gave them 60 euros, which he claimed was all the money he had left."

 

This doesn't add up at all.

It adds up if you're Thai. Thai sib story plus money equals complete scams, cheating and lies.

14 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The "local tourists" with money are travelling to other countries... why would they travel to destinations in Thailand that really do not welcome Thais as their guests?

Why would anybody want to come here right now?

Nothing has improved. Nothing new to come and see. All the places that did attract tourists have been exploited by greedy, corrupt Thais. Far better countries to visit for quality tourists.

The hand that fed them from the start was deemed to be dirty and so rejected and their complete and utter ignorance didn't allow them to see that quality tourists will wander the globe thus getting bored of Thailand pretty soon.

I've said it countless times. You were blessed with this country you were born into yet you've cut the goose open far too many times and rather than stitch it back up you find blame in everybody but yourselves. Grow up and face the music.

On 12/3/2023 at 1:19 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

No disagreement there... . when people prove they are subhuman, they should lose their right to human treatment. 

 

The issue of course is that there is always some bleeding heard's liberal that will claim mental health, try to sympathise and make excuses that its 'not their fault'.....   'diminished responsibility' is often missued and dilutes genuine cases. 

 

In this case the attacker was in full use of his faculties when he took the drug, he is fully responsible for the actions leading up to his subhuman behavior.

All those bleeding hearts that poor sympathy on such scum need to suffer at the hands of them and then think about defending them.

As the superior beings we can deem an animal such as a pet dog too dangerous to be alive and then pass judgement on its life, and it's entire breed. However, there are those who see paedophiles, rapists, murderers and others who will reoffend again and again as worthy of privilege. It should be a simple decision. Treat them equally. Put them out of harm's way for good.

I can't imagine how a man could hold his calm whilst being laughed at during the questioning of this scumbag. Hopefully they laid into it back at the station.