Red Phoenix

From what you wrote I presume that you currently have either a Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement or a 1-year extension of such Visa. And you wrote that the Permit to stay of your Visa or extension, expires end of this month. When you do not buy a Re-Entry Permit before exiting Thailand, your Visa or extension will be voided the moment you have left. That's where a Re-Entry Permit comes in, because such Re-Entry Permit will protect your Visa or extension, so that when re-entering Thailand the Permit to stay is still valid. Note that this implies you need to return to Thailand before it expires. So unless that for some reason you would want to 'kill' your present Visa/extension status, it is recommended to buy a Re-Entry Permit, as that would allow you on return to apply for the 1-year extension of your current Visa or extension. Without such Re-Entry Permit your current Visa or extension would be 'dead' and it would force you to restart from scratch the whole process leading to 1-year extensions for long-term stay in Thailand..

#1 - It will depend on the number of days overstay, whether Immigration will be inclined to provide you with an extension (and of course the 500,- THB per overstay day fine). But more than 6 days overstay is definitely borderline and Immigration might refuse to issue the extension, and instead provide you - on top of the fine - with a 7-days permit to leave the country. #2 - Being on overstay is always risky, because if you are stopped by police and asked for your passport (e.g. because of a traffic accident) they normally won't let you go to regularize your situation at the Imm Office.

Yes, I am also intrigued by the 'COPY COPY COPY' in the frame around the stamp. When I entered Thailand with a Single-Entry Re-Entry Permit on 7 Nov 2022, the Re-Entry Permit was stamped 'USED' and striped out. And my entry-stamp was done with a red stamp with Suvarnabhumi Airport on the left-side of the frame, with NON-RE handwritten by the border-immigration officer (as well as on top of the stamp the flight-number on which I entered).

You are correct, and I jumped in to quickly but it was too late before I noticed my error and was not able anymore to amend/delete my post. Dr Jack's post was fully correct stating that when entering Thailand on a VISA there is no need for having an onward flight-ticket.

Provided that you can meet the requirements for a 1-year extension of your Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement (which includes providing evidence of having kept the required funds on a Thai personal bank-account) applying for such 1-year extension would be an easier and even cheaper option (as an extension only costs 1.900,- THB), than making a border-run. When doing so dr Jacks suggestion to buy a One Time Re-Entry Permit when applying for the 1-year extension (costs 1.000,- THB) would allow you to easily re-enter Thailand during the 12 months that the extension would provide you.

Indeed, getting the Re-Entry Permit in the Airport is quite easy and takes less than 10 minutes if you are the sole customer. Three important aspects when considering this #1 - At Suvarnabhumi there are 2 entrances for International Departures. You should take entrance 2, as it is there that the Re-Entry Permit service is located. After you passed the 'screening' of your hand-luggage, and go to the Immigration Stamp-Out hall, the Re-Entry Permit service is indicated and it is at the left-side of the various counters where you are being stamped out. So you should go for the Re-Entry Permit first, and once you have it then go back, and queue at one of the counters to get stamped out. #2 - You need to bring 1.200,- THB in cash, as they do not accept debit- or creditcards to pay for the service (1.000 THB being the standard price for the One Time Re-Entry Permit, and 200 THB for the administrative service) #3 - As dr Jack suggested, you can bring your already filled-in application form with you, and head straight to Immigration (at the end of the corridor 10 meter from the small Re-Entry Permit service desk) When making use of the desk-service you don't need to fill out the Re-Entry Permit form beforehand, nor provide a photograph. The Airport Immigration service fills out the form for you based on your Passport details and takes a picture of you, but the service costs 200 THB.

I did realize that my response to the OPs post was not addressing his main request. But since he mentioned CW and it is not really a 'joy' having to go there, I mentioned the option of registering the place that he is renting on the IO TM-30 website. That would allow him to notify CW that he is staying there, and once that's done he can create and submit the TM-30 on-line, without the need of visiting CW to hand over the required documents. When registering the place you are staying as tenant a scan of the following documents would be sufficient to include when registering the place on-line: - copy of your passport ID-page - copy of the rental contract When available also the following can be added: - copy of the house-book - front/back copy of the landlords ID-card

Don't understand the 'laugh' as it's exactly what I did, so that I didn't have to make the trip to the Imm Office, and similar when I have non-Thai staying at my house to be in compliance with Thai regulations.

You probaby have been lucky, as normally Airline staff at check-in won't let you board when you have a one-way flight ticket or your return flight is on a later date than the Permission to stay you would receive on entering Thailand, and you cannot show an onward-flight ticket reservation on a date before that Permission to stay expiry date. The reason being that the airline will be forced to return you home at their expense, when Thai border-immigration would deny you entry because of that issue. But you can buy such onward flight ticket reservations on-line and would even be able to do so on the spot when denied boarding, so it's actually not much of an issue.

You are right. Thanks for correcting, and makes it even easier for the OP when not having to take that issue into consideration!

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If you want to stay 90 days in Thailand, your original plan of applying for a 60-day Tourist Visa, and extending that Visa with an additional 30 days when you are in Thailand, would be the easiest option. I presume that you would book a return-flight with return leg 90 days after departure. But in that case you would ALSO need an onward flight to an international destination on a date before the expiry of your 60-day Permission to stay for which you would be stamped in on arrival by border -Immigration. You can buy such a fully legit onward-flight reservation online for 10 to 15 US $ dollar (the companies that sell such service automatically cancel that reservation before it is due, but the reservation is genuine). ~< erroneous statement removed >~

For what's it worth. You can register the property where you are residing on the IO TM-30 website, and can do this as owner, on behalf of the owner or as tenant. The process is straightforward and consists of submitting scans of the required documents. Having done that, and you received confirmation that the property is registered, you are then able to notify your local Imm Office that a foreigner is staying there (which can be yourself, or friends staying over) by issuing a TM-30. You can also print-out that TM-30 notification, which is handy when friends stay at your place and need to apply for a 30-day extension of stay.

They can apply for a 30-day extension at ANY provincial Imm Office. The only thing needed is your passport (with the Tourist Visa or Visa Exempt entry stamp) and a copy of the TM-30 notification that the Hotel/Guesthouse where you are staying is required to make to notify local Immigration that a foreigner is staying at the premises.

But do go today before Immigration closes. After the weekend you would be on 9 days overstay (and a 4500,- THB fine). And do bring a copy of the TM-30 notification with you which your Hotel or guesthouse are required to make to notify Immigration that a foreigner is staying at their premises.

Log-in page for online banking works fine. https://www.kasikornbank.com/en/kbiz/individual/pages/pre-login.aspx

https://aseannow.com/topic/1290807-overstay-on-visa-exemption/ An almost identical case to yours has been discussed in the attached link. The OP of that thread did forgot to apply for a 30-day extension of his 30-day Visa Exempt entry, and was on 6 days overstay. He paid the fine of 3.000,- THB for overstay and was granted his 30-day extension of stay (1.900,- THB). So normally you should be fine, but do go TODAY to Immigration for your 30-day extension application now that you are still on 6 days overstay (because after the weekend it will be 9 days, and they might not be so lenient then). The thread also discusses your options in the unlikely case your Imm Office would not provide you with a 30-day extension due to that overstay.

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OP does not have a guest-house. But it would be possible for him to register his house on the TM-30 Immigration website, and having done so he would be able to notify Immigration that his friend is staying at his premises AND create a TM-30 for his friend with start and finish date of his stay. That would at least avoid that his friend has to make a Hotel-booking to get hold of the required copy of the TM-30 notification for his 30-day extension application.

When Immigration would order misbehaving foreigners with a Non Imm O Visa/extension for reason of retirement, to present themselves at the Imm Office with their passport and updated Bank Pass-book, the carnage would be immense. Because all those that made use of a 'fixer' agent would not be able to prove that they keep the required funds on their personal Bank-account, which makes their Permit to stay invalid. Imo Immigration will be extremely reluctant to do the above as it would make Pattaya a ghost-town when all those would be deported that made use of a 'fixer' agent to avoid parking the funds on their personal bank-account. But it would be an easy way to get rid of foreigners that are causing trouble at night venues or elsewhere.

You are fully correct. It are indeed the not-used days on your Permit to stay from your VisaExempt or Tourist Visa entry, that you would lose when applying early for the Non Imm O Visa. Applying early for the 1-year extension of that Non Imm O Visa does not make you lose any days.

Sorry if my post confused you, that was not my intention. In summary > Every premisse (be it a Hotel, Guesthouse or friends) where he is staying is in principle required to notify local Immigration using a TM-30 that a foreigner is staying at their place. But your pet-sitter only needs one copy of the TM-30 notification when he applies at Chiang-Mai Imm Office for his 30-day extension of stay (that could be the one issued by the Hotel in the morning before he applies at Immigratio for the extension). Rules in Chiang Mai may differ but normally Imm Offices only issue the 30-day extension when there is 14 days or less left on the Permission to stay.

Most Immigration Offices only provide the 30-day extension of stay, when the applicant has 14 days or less left on his Permission to stay as stamped in his Passport by border-immigration. Since you will be away when that normal application window starts, your 'pet-sitter' guest could book a night in a cheap Hotel/Guesthouse in order to get hold of a copy of the TM-30 (he doesn't even have to stay that night, and might bargain a further discount as he only needs a copy of that TM-30 issued in the morning before he goes to Immigration). Every owner of a place where a foreigner is staying is required by Thai law to notify the local Immigration Office that a foreigner is staying at their premises using that TM-30 form. And immigration requires that the applicant for a 30-day extension, provides a copy of the TM-30 as 'proof of his address in their province'. Actually if your 'pet-sitter' is staying at your house, it is you (or your wife or the landlord) - that has to notify the local Immigration Office of that fact. This can be done on-line, but it requires that you need to register your house on the Immigration TM-30 website. Although it is not rocket science, I can imagine that you do not want to do that, so the real or virtual one night in a Hotel/Guesthouse to allow your pet-sitter to get hold of that TM-30 would probably have your preference. NOTE: In case you do want to register your house, so that you (or your wife or the landlord) can notify Immigration of your 'pet-sitter' staying at your premises and issuing a TM-30 for him staying with you, do send me a PM and I will send you an instruction sheet on how to do that.

Yes, every Imm Office has the authority to add additional requirements or make minor amendments to the broad 'official' rules. And so it is always wise to contact your local Imm Office to ensure that on a first application for a Non Imm O Visa or extension you are not taken by surprise by local Immigration rules. Re the 800K Bank Balance Check 90-days after your 1-year extension application for a Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement > Some offices introduced that additional check to avoid that applicants would use up the 800K once they got the Permission to stay stamp. Some retirees are tempted to do this and instead of re-applying for the 1-year extension - the requirements which they would not be able to meet - then simply made a border-run, returned Visa Exempt an re-applied for a 90-day Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement.

As I am living in this province, I won't rock the boat and will simply comply with the rules as applied in my SiSaKet Imm Office, which is a strict, no hanky-panky but very friendly and efficient office.