ChicagoExpat

Nope. Euro.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone who supports Palestine/Hamas offer up a realistic suggestion for what they would do if in Israel's shoes. For the record, I do not believe that Israel gets a pass on scrutiny of its actions, but the reality is they live next door to a terrorist state that said they would do October 7 over and over again, in perpetuity.

And yet you won't oppose Russia's invasion of Ukraine? And unless you support Russia continually invading/destroying/absorbing other countries, who in the world would think NATO's dissolution is a good thing?

Well, except that Russia's third invasion of Ukraine was what finally pushed them out of their sideline, neutral stance into NATO membership.

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I'd refer you to the start of the war, where Russia poured in over the entire Russian and Belarusian border in an attempt to take Kyiv. It seems you're not familiar with the war's first year or so -- it might be a good thing to study as you're obviously very interested in the topic. Yes, Russia DOES (or did) want to take the entire country and the current disaster is what they have to settle for. No one denies this was Russia's original goal, including Russia. And you're claiming they COULD overrun all of Ukraine... but are settling for a costly stalemate? Sorry, that doesn't make sense. I know you think Russia is entitled to use other countries as buffer zones -- same as the Soviets -- even if against their will, but those same countries have the right NOT to be Russian vassal states. Again, the Nazi thing is a silly and transparently false pretext. Everyone knows that some unit did use some Nazi symbolism, a few still do. But that's entirely different than a "Nazi state", which is the claim. And just as important -- as I mentioned, Russia has even more of this stuff than Ukraine does. I already mentioned Rusich and Wagner. It might be that Ukraine won't eventually get its territory back. But that would be part of a negotiated settlement in which Russia gives up some of its claims. Finally, the only people that claim this might become WW3 are Russia and their supporters. The threat -- both implicit and explicit -- don't resist us because who knows where this might end up. It's nonsense. If WW34 starts from this, the fault will be entirely Russia's -- and those in the West who carried their water for them.

HA! Identified as Russian in this thread... he certainly is a Putin supporter, @MicroB. Nailed it.

Hilarious -- you start insulting him for getting a commenter wrong and then you do the same. He's Callum, not me.

Yes, marginal gains -- you must be unfamiliar with the battlefield map. At this rate Ukraine will fall by 2060. LOL I said "Nazi state" -- dishonesty is an ugly look, even for a Putinite. Yes, there are those who use Nazi symbolism in Ukraine, but those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Clean up Rusich and Wagner and then preen and prance. You know Russia's claim of a Nazi state was a lie so you, in turn lie about what I said. Again -- more Kremlin agitprop. It's not a "US proxy war." It's Russia's third invasion of Ukraine, and Ukraine is fighting back. Its allies assist. Was World War 2 a "US proxy war" when the U.S. was giving Russia (and others) enormous amounts of war material? And, finally, I'm glad you admit Russia intentionally targets not only civilians but kids. Tell me more about how this war not only will be won by Russia but ALREADY HAS BEEN WON by Russia. If you'd like to turn down the sarcasm, we can return to a more serious conversation. Tell me what "winning" means for Russia, and why you think Russia has already won. I'll argue with you, but if you use actual fact-based arguments maybe we'll respect your effort. And I'm always willing to take into account something I didn't already know.

Yes, I do. Your interpretation of events is so bizarre, and reflects the continual redefining down of "victory" that Russia and its supporters have had to do to cope with reality. Can you name a single war prior to this one where three years of grinding warfare (subsequent to two prior invasions) with marginal gains and ENORMOUS losses would be considered a war already won? The original goal was to take all of Ukraine. That didn't work out. How is that de-Nazification going? Well, turns out Ukraine wasn't a Nazi state after all, so that one is gone. Another war aim as a corollary to the failure in 2014 -- keep Ukraine as a Russian vassal state, if it's not destroyed outright. Another failure. By any measure, Russians should be storming the Kremlin to hang Putin from a lamppost Mussolini-style. 3 invasions, a trillion dollars wasted, hundreds of thousands of lives, much of their navy/air force/armored forces. Humiliating reliance on North Korea, China, and Iran. For 20% of a country that had a fraction of their strength -- and nearly all of which they already held prior to the third invasion. WINNING

Russia hasn't won the war. Repeating it over and over again doesn't make it so. I get that this is what you want, but it's simply not true in any sense.

It seems clear that as a MAGA person you are a Russia supporter (yes, yes, "you only want to see the war end"... on Russia's terms) but literally everyone else (except Russia) is relieved Trump finally sees a reason not to sell Ukraine to Russia. So it's progress from where we were a few weeks ago. Here is the text of the deal. I'm thrilled with the "Whereas" clauses. https://kyivindependent.com/the-full-text-of-the-us-ukraine-minerals-agreement/

Got it, you hate Israel, but why put doctor in scare quotes? He wasn't actually a doctor? Because women having their junk "rejuvenated" as the saying goes is popular worldwide. Bumrungrad does it Jew free, which I'm sure you'll approve of!

To quote the OP, he is indeed low class, low education. He could just kick a ball well.

Agree, he does create chaos. That's not an entirely bad quality but time and again, the chaos he creates has no purpose and does not advance America's interests. It's just chaos, born from "I alone can do this, tear down everything that the other guy did" but as he hires uniquely unqualified, ignorant, and inexperienced people, and ignores those who have subject matter expertise, it results in losses. Ukraine is the perfect example.

Don't waste your time with him.

I knew you wouldn't answer the question. You're pathetic, Fact-Free Frank.

I could be wrong but I didn't think Russia was anywhere in this -- that's the point. But we haven't seen the agreement.

The latter. I gave you a straight answer, and hope to be surprised by you in return. Let's talk about Yanukovich -- key to the "coup" you mention. He was elected on a platform of reform and strengthening ties to the EU. Which he was doing... until suddenly he wasn't. He changed his approach midterm to a pro-Russian one and backed out of an overwhelmingly popular agreement to associate with the EU, and that's when protests started. Because that's what free people do when they feel their government is going in the wrong direction (you support January 6, no?). Yanukovich had his men fire on protestors, killing many, which turned public opinion even further against him. Thought the opposition was still willing to work with him as President, and signed an agreement with him, that same night he fled the country... to Russia. He could have stayed on and just, you know, stop killing his own people. But he chose to flee to Russia. So, here is my question -- do you really think Russia wasn't meddling in Ukrainian politics as well and what makes U.S.' attempts to influence the outcome a "coup" but Russia's attempts OK? Especially when most Ukrainians did want to move toward the West?

What a stupid, loser response. And Impulse didn't answer the question. He deflected. I can tell you where the claim came from, and I'm sure you're already familiar with him -- it was made up by a guy named John Mark Dougan, who fled to Russia after failing spectacularly at life in America. It was then amplified by Kremlin websites and spoon fed directly into the mouths of guys like you, who lap it up eagerly and plead for more. It never happened. The guy who owns the yachts said they were never for sale and he never sold them. But I'm sure it's the LAMESTREAM MEDIA who claims that and JOHN DOUGAN has all the facts. Here he is 🤣. You're welcome! Order it from Amazon and it can be the first book you've ever read on the subject. 🤡

"Both countries"? What is the other country -- the United States? What other country could be in the equation if they're jointly talking about mineral rights?

Dmirtri refuses to even consider the little green men existed, or that they were Russian soldiers, or Shoigu himself when he admitted it. (Also, he has no idea who Shoigu is.) He is literally the only person on either side of the conflict who believes this.

It's impossible to have a meaningful discussion with anyone who thinks the US orchestrated a coup, or that Ukraine was simply killing Russkies in the Donbass for fun, or who believes any of the other transparent Kremlin lies.

Can you provide the provenance of the yacht claim? I'm willing to be open to information that is harmful to my side of the discussion.

Mr. Dinsdale, you're really fixated on Kursk. No one else has talked about it in the entire thread but you. The real discussion is not about tactics -- the theme of the video -- but strategy. That's the better platform for analysis, if you can find anyone interested. Maybe start a new thread? (Reminder: At any time you can dispel the universally held impression that you are a Putinphile by, you know, denouncing the invasion. Just a suggestion.)