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4 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:
I'm not talking about the misinformation. I'm talking about the real facts. They were published on 31st July.
But its the misinformation that started the riots - however, I believe the far right groups have been waiting for an excuse.
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9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:
Basically a load of name calling followed by a reluctant acceptance that the current levels of immigration does indeed cause problems for the UK.
And where do you draw that inference from? My comments on that matter are not reluctant at all. They are widely held beliefs - mainly based on environmental concerns. If calling the rioters - the people that destroyed property that both you and i paid for, damaged shops and houses, and generally terrorised non ethnic British people living in the UK - far right, racists, meatheads and uneducated is bad - guilty as charged.
Perhaps you think I should talk nicely about these hooligans?
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1 minute ago, JonnyF said:
Explain why it was wrong.
To assist your confusion.
The guy who murdered the young girls was black and born in Britain to Rwandan parents - not that that had anything to do with his crime. He was/is clearly suffering from a severe form of mental illness.
The far right groups posted information on social media stating that he was a black asylum seeker - he was not. I hope that clears the matter up for you.
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Just now, JonnyF said:
But there are very real concerns about the negative impacts that the current levels of immigration to the UK are causing. People should be able to discuss that openly and sensibly without being labelled racist, far right etc.
Again, you are being 'selective' in your reading. I suggest you read all my posts.
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1 minute ago, youreavinalaff said:
Not same day. He is only 17. A court had to rule to allow information to be released.
I believe the murders were on 29yh July. Full details were released 31st. In line with the law on minors, regardless of their race, religion or nationality.
Check out ther date of the far right social media posts.
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17 minutes ago, JonnyF said:
The type of person who overlooks the use of Burmese slave labour, rampant prostitution, poverty, huge wealth gaps, incredibly low wages, lack of social care, lack of democracy, rampant nationalism, military coups etc. in a country simply because it happens to be cheap as chips to live there.
There was a thread on hear about the mental gymnastics western liberals have to do to justify living in certain Asian countries. You should read it.
Now, back to pontificating about your virtue.
Totally wrong on all counts. I think you need to learn to read.
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4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:
No they didn't.
Originally they simply stated he was a teenager from Cardiff. They later released the information about his heritage.
Incorrect. The poster is 100% correct - check out the news reports on the day. That will show you that the far right groups were the ones that spread the story that he was a black asylum seeker.
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17 minutes ago, JonnyF said:
My nieces fiance is black British. Lovely bloke. I don't know why you feel that someone who is black cannot be British.
I don't think that at all - and I think you know that very well. Should you wish to debate on an honest basis without trying to 'point score' - I'm happy to do so,
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2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:
Absolute nonsense and just a throwaway comment that proves that you have no coherent argument. Being angry about young children being slaughtered is a perfectly reasonable response. Just as supporting much lower levels of immigration until the resources and services (housing/NHS/Schools etc.) are in place to support them is in place is reasonable.
What? Be angry by all means but please explain what rioting achieved? As someone else mentioned - how does looting a smartphone help the fight against illegal immigration?
This was not anger or a support for lower immigration levels - it was pure mindless, racist violence. Nothing 'throwaway' about my comments - I saw the people on TV and I've read some of their comments since.
I have no argument with your basis of having the infrastructure in place to support migration - in fact you probaly have no idea just how wrong you are on what I do and do not support - I'll give you a little idea.
I actually support only very limited immigration and only immigration that can be supported - at the moment the UK is 'full'.
I believe that asylum seekers/refugees should have to prove their situation beyond doubt.
I am confused as to just how and when the temporary protection of vulnerable refugees became 'resettlement'.
I do not consider that Mulsim/Jewish religions/cultures are not compatible with the UK way of life and that the country should never have made concessions to those groups (prayer time/halal etc).
So you might now understand that I'm not the lefty loony you probably thought I was.
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2 hours ago, JonnyF said:Yes, your ilk always overlook government atrocities when it suits them. I'm guessing it's very cheap to live where you are going?
And my 'ilk' is what?
I have no idea what the cost of living in Thailand has to do with this conversation.
Where is the 'goverment attrocity'? Do you mean the police response to the violence and looting and the ensuing punishments? That's an attrocity? Should we let these thugs destroy public property that we have paid for out of our taxes? Let them riot freely? There would almost certainly have been lynchings.
A close friend of mine, a 68 year old Jamaican woman who spent 30 years of her life working in British hospitals was jostled in the street and told to 'f off home' in the supermarket during the riot period - she was terrified! That woman has probably done more for the UK than many of us - and unlike some lazy British benefit claimants, she's probably paid more tax.
My friend has a total right to live out her retirement in peace - free from fear. Those who abused her are just lucky that I wasn't there.
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2 hours ago, JonnyF said:The killer of the 3 children in Stockport was British.
He was not British in the eyes of the rioters - and you know that very well. You've shot yourself in the foot with your attempt at cleverness.
2 hours ago, JonnyF said:Other examples are of riots following murders by British people are the death of Mark Duggan. Check it out..
The killing of Mark Duggan was a totally different situation and the riots that ensued were actually the result of the perceived treatment of black people by the police in the UK. The riots were also almost totally confined to Tottenham. I didn't see any black people beating up whites during those riots. There is no comparison between the two situations - the only common factor is the riot - the reasons are totally different,
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19 minutes ago, Foxx said:"Racist Mob Violence" - surely that should be "Patriot Mob Violence". The British people were never asked whether they wanted their communities to be degraded by vast numbers of people from less civilised countries.
Communities degraded? Have you any idea what would happen to the NHS if there wasn't any immigrants.
But such thoughts are wasted on you aren't they? The very fact that your small mind can only think that migrants 'degrade' a community shows the level of your intelligence. And you are living where? Thailand? I suppose you think your presence 'upgrades' your Thai community?
Have you any idea what the make up of so called 'Brtish Ethnicity' actually is? How far back can you trace your roots? How many generations does it take before someone can call themselves British?
Yes, the UK has immigration problems and I do not support unlimited immigration but if you seek out the truth, you will find the message spread by these racist a hole groups is in fact almost total rubbish.
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1 hour ago, JonnyF said:The authorities tried to hide the fact it was a son of Rwandan immigrants. They tried to be clever by hiding it and it backfired spectacularly.
They most certainly did not. The BBC reported the facts at the earliest opportunity. But, what if they did. for that matter? What difference would it make? Why should people riot simply because a killer is not British?
I'll tell you why - they are nothing more than racist meatheads.
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2 hours ago, JonnyF said:No chance of the cultural enrichers being brought to justice. It doesn't fit the left's narrative.
If you commit similar offenses with a short haircut and heaven forbid, an England shirt or flag you will feel the full weight of the law however.
Two tier Britain.
Thank god I left.
Thankfully your views are very much in the minority - as was evidence by the counter protests - carried out, you might note with no damage to public property or any violence.
You should perhaps read up on the 'misinformation' that was spread in order to spark the riots - and who spread that information. There was not a shred of truth in what was used as an excuse.
British people have carried out horrific murders in the past - have you ever seen riots and violence cause by that?
'Thank god' I will also be leaving the UK shortly and one reason for that is because of the rise of these uneducated far right lunatics. Yes, I'm going to a country who's government has little sympathy for people who have been genuinely displaced etc. but its not my country so I needn't be ashamed.
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8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:Two posts in and nothing but grievance stroking.
I for one think it’s fabulous news that racist rioters are getting locked up for their crimes.
More please.
Agreed.
Its a shame that it was only realised after the first round of court appearances that some of the racist a-holes could be charged with rioting which carries a 10 year maximum jail term rather than the violent disorder which carries a maximum of 5 years.
I was in Thailand when the rioting began and didn't see the UK news until a few days in. I had my TV on mute and wasn't paying much attention but thinking 'I wonder where that is' - then I noticed a bus go past and was shocked to realise that it was my home country. Shocked and ashamed!
Yes, the UK has an immigration problem, as does much of Europe but there is no excuse for rioting, violence and looting - what will that solve? They are criminals and I'm pleased to see that on the whole they are being given appropriate jail terms - especially now that some are being charged with riot.
One exception so far though, and I think they got this very wrong - one woman was charged with incitement for posting on social media that a mosque should be bombed with the congregation in it. That, in my opinion, is just a stupid comment, its not incitement, she didn't actually incite anyone. I believe she was sentenced to 15 months in jail for that and I would expect it to be successfully challenged at appeal. Sentence the real culprits properly by all means but her sentence creates serious concerns regarding freedom of speech for me.
Watching it on TV - it was quite clear that the majority of the brain dead rioters were the usual 'football hooligan' types - often associated with a certain Mr. Robinson. The far right racists have been waiting for an excuse to carry out such 'protests' and used misinformation (as usual) to incite their hooligan members to carry out the violence and looting.
I'd like to know how burning police cars and attacking public property solves any immigration problem? Anyway, they are now reaping the rewards - I hope more are charged with riot. They need to learn that their behaviour is simply not acceptable to the vast majority of a civilised country and now they have plenty of time to contemplate the results of their actions.
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On 8/17/2024 at 3:25 PM, NorthernRyland said:
Land is interesting because they do make you sign a document stating you can not own the land as a foreigner despite being married but the property is still a joint asset. It almost like the wife owns 50% of it and the other 50% is "unowned". I imagine if you went to court over the property it would be required to liquidated or the wife would have to buy out the foreigner for his share. In theory at least....
Not in theory, that is the fact of it - although I don't doubt you may have to press your case in some places.
As far as I know, not all land offices ask for that document signing these days. Its a pretty useless document in any case as foreigners can't own land. However, I haven't seen one of the documents for a long time (20 years) but I'm pretty sure the one I signed also stated that I would not make any claim on the land in the future. That part, according to what a lawyer told me, also conflicts with Thai statute law on matrimonial matters. What I was told is that in a court case, the court decided that the document was not lawful and held no water as it had never been enacted so statute law applied.
I have no doubt that in some cases, crooked lawyers from both sides will do some sort of deal and try to convince the foreigner that he has no chance but according to what I was told, that's simply not true. Its also a fact that many foreigners have simply walked away without contesting the matter because they've believed the 'bar stool' stories that say the foreigner always loses.
I have though, read reports of foreigners being awarded half of the assets in a divorce. I know I certainly wouldn't accept being fleeced - although, I know enough about the place now to never put myself in that position.
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10 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:The entire point of legal marriage is that you lose right to hold title and all assets become joint
What? Who loses the right to hold title? Title to what? If you mean property, in the case of a Thai wife, that is simply not true.
Also, not all assets become joint. Some are 'Sin Suan Tua' - (assets held before marriage):
- property belonging to either spouse before marriage
- property for personal use, dress or ornament suitable for station in life, or tools necessary for carrying on the profession of either spouse
- property acquired by either spouse during marriage through a will or gift
- Khongman.
Or 'Sin Somros' (jointly owned matrimonal property):
- property acquired during marriage;
- property acquired by either spouse during marriage through a will of gift made in writing if it is declared by such will or document of gift to be Sin Somros (jointly owned property);
- fruits of Sin Suan Tua (personal property).
There is some 'blurring' - one example: If you held an asset before marriage (Sin Suan Tua), in general, any uplift in value since the marriage is considered 'Sin Somros'. But the above is the 'gist' of it.
A lot of foreigners don't realise the above applies and simply walk away losing everything. They may have been asked to sign a document stating that any money used to buy land was given as a gift to their wife and they will not make any future claim on it. According to my lawyer, such documents are illegal because they go against Thai law and that has been upheld in court.
Depending on the details and fine points, in this case it is probable that the guy can force the sale of the land and house (through the courts) and obtain half of the proceeds.
More details here:
https://www.samuiforsale.com/family-law/personal-and-marital-property.html
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13 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:
And we have a new 'fresh face'.. Wooo !!! - at least its not that vile anti-farang tub of lard, Anutin.
Just remember Richard - the UK kicked Thaksin out as he was still trying to use his diplomatic passport. He's unlikely to forget that.
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Don't know where you are but a guy who has a shop in my local Lotus (Pak Chong) copied my chipped Chevy key for 2000 baht - works perfectly. There are probably other stalls around in similar locations.
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2 hours ago, dinsdale said:No maybe about it. The tide has well and truly turned. The establishment is and has been for a long time under threat of losing it's privilege. The EC, CC and even the military will not be able to stop this move to reform.
Would you like to bet on that? It doesn't matter how many parties are formed or rise from the ashes of Future Forward or Move Forward, they will not be allowed to take up and meaningful positions, should they win any future elections. The establishment will take comfort in the fact that Move Forward were not allowed to put forward a Prime Minister without reaction from the people and then the party was 'disolved' - again without any protests. Do you seriously think they will not do exactly the same again?
Change and reform in Thailand may well be long overdue but unless the people rise up and rise up seriously, nothing's going to change. Such a rising would involve considerable bloodshed and the evidence so far points to them not having the stomach for that.
Part of the problem as I see it is that apart from not having the stomach for serious protest, the public themselves are complicit in what I believe is the country's biggest problem - corruption. Corruption appears to take place at all levels of society - as I've been discovering recently whilst trying to help a Thai friend find a job in local government. It seems that its not how well qualified you may be to do a particular job, its how much you are prepared to pay for it. That's one aspect, another is cow-towing complicity such as paying 'fines' for made up traffic offences. Unless the public are prepared stop being complicit in such matters, they can hardly baulk at the dinosaurs that are their masters. Those dinosaurs have the power and resources to quell any serious unrest - as they showed not too long ago with the Red Shirts.
At the 'Establishment' level, reform is what is required - reform of the sort that Move Forward proposed. However, the people themselves need to reform - stop paying for jobs and stop paying 'fines' for made up traffic offences - and I'm picking on just two aspects there. The more I look into it, the more I discover that the entire system in Thailand is rotten. There is also the issue of eating s h i t that Thai's put up with when dealing with officialdom.
What happened after the last election and the lack of reaction to the dissolution of Move Forward seems to indicate that whilst the people want reform they neither have the stomach for any meaningful protest nor are they prepared to reform themselves.
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8 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:
only for 2 months before you apply for the year/multi Non-O
Now they've added seasoning?
Absolute madness for a visa intended for people who don't live in Thailand and caused by those who abused it!
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You won't be successful in requesting they stop requiring a OTP but most UK banks will send the code to your e-mail address if you ask them. I could not receive OTP's for years as I live in an area with no mobile signal. I was only when my bank agreed to send OTP's by e-mail that I could fully use online banking.
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17 hours ago, impulse said:
(Or maybe they do, by name and birthdate)
Name, date of birth and PLACE OF BIRTH.
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46 minutes ago, PhoSai said:
Its also worth noting that my current passport is not the one with the blacklist in it, so there wouldn't be anything physically in the passport to see,
I can't answer your question but I can tell you that your passport will be linked automatically if by any chance you pass through immigration. None of us know what goes on behind the scenes so it is possible that just your name on the flight's passenger manifest will ring alarm bells. Its not something I'd take a chance on.
Longest Sentences Yet for Rioters Involved in Racist Mob Violence Across England
in World News
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I do not think that immigration per se causes problems for the UK. I actually don't believe in borders as such. However, I do believe that when a country is full, its full.
The world, more particularly Europe has been defined by immigration for centuries - the entire region is a mish mash of races.
However, it is only within the last 100 years or so that we have seen the rise of serious racism and that is because of what? Colour! Previous migrants have not been obvious so they were more accepted. The white man's arrogant belief that he is somehow superior and that people of a different colour are lesser beings, responsible for more crime is behind their racism.
Should a white american man come to live in the UK, would he draw the same thoughts?
My niece for example, recently made a social media post complaining that asylum seekers were able to claim more benefits than British born people and generally berating immigrants as benefit cheats. I pointed out to her that according to a news report last year, there are now white British 3rd generation unemployed in Leeds. That's 3 generations that have never worked. I probably know 8 - 10 coloured people, all of them either work or have retired from work.
The basis of my niece's post came about from misinformation created out of populist misconceptions that often have their basis in more deliberate misinformation spread by racist right wing groups.
What has the above to do with the current debate? The countrywide riots were the result of misinformation spread by racist groups - it never fails to amaze me how easily people believe what they read. The rise of social media has given voice to all sorts of groups and individuals and very few of them contribute positively to society.