MangoKorat

As has already been stated, the departure tax was never 'got rid' of - it was transferred to the airlines who I guess will have added it to their ticket prices.

Whatever the reason for death or the man's background, I'm suprised that the Thai authorities consider it OK to name him before they've contacted his family.

You'd better be hoping that the Thai farm-workers that harvested your veg, also wash their hands after using the bathroom then. I'm sure they do though..........in those special handwashing sinks in the farm fields. The ones next to the mobile toilet blocks, have you seen them?

You can't even trust organically grown veg in Thailand. Its a few years back so I can't remember details but some group or other, not sure if they were official or an environmental group, tested 100 supposedly 'organically' grown vegetable samples from shops/markets around Bangkok. The vast majority had traces of harmful pesticides on them. I'll be growing a lot of my own veg soon.

There you are @Goat - kind of debunks your claim that Brits doing wrong are 'protected' - clearly stated as a Brit. Also: https://aseannow.com/topic/1293784-naked-brit-smashes-beer-bottle-over-elderly-australian-tourist’s-head-in-pattaya/ Again, nationality clearly stated as British.

Do we know exactly what this criticism was?

I can't say I've heard that but I've long suspected it - especially since the announcment that many foreigners in Thailand will now have to file tax returns. Reading through the details on that on this website, I was convinced that such landlords are trying to avoid tax. There is a specific tax dealing with income from property - from memory, I believe its 12.5%.

Right, I was just trying to understand the reason for your post.

Are you saying that a tenant or Usufruct holder cannot now register their own TM30?

It is clearly not as simple as you posted. Otherwise we would not have people posting on here (one quite recently) that they are having problems. It was simple for you, it is clearly not as simple for everyone! I have created this post to help the people that are having problems - if you don't need any help then you don't need to chirp in then do you? As for immigration, well that's up to you and although I understand where you are coming from. I don't muck about with them. My local office has been taken to court twice (possibly more now) and lost. Speak to Sebastian (formerly of Isaan Lawyers,now of Thai Law Online) if you don't believe that. I would of course remain polite - which is probably why they backed down on this matter when I first applied to register TM30. I would not get into any heated argument with them but instead, leave it to my lawyer who has dealt with my local office many times. Thai's respond far better to Thai's, they won't have a foreigner telling them what to do but they will normally listen to a Thai who's on the same level of social standing. If not, court is an option but it would be a last resort. If you cow tow to them when they are going against Police Orders, you make a rod for your back that you may have to live with forever. There was a guy on here a couple of years back that cannot ever get his yearly extension done by his local office because he had an altercation with them. He didn't get a lawyer involved and now has to use another address and a different office for his extensions. Its about how you do it - I've been around Thailand long enough to know that you don't walk in to an Immigration office and simply tell them they are wrong. You go through 'channels', my lawyer knows them but I'll admit that I am fortunate in that she aslo knows most of the staff at Korat Immigration.

You do spout a lot of twoddle. I thinnk you will find that the problems go with the age and booze - not nationality so wind your neck in and stop spouting your racist nonsense. As we've seen in recent months there have been foreigners of all nationalities causing problems in Thailand. The later headline also states that he's a Brit so where's the protection? As I'm typing this I'm watching a bunch of American yobs beating one member of an opposite group to a pulp during the University riots in the US (on TV). Do you think they'd behave any differently if they were in Thailand? They are just yobs and thugs and that mate - is a borderless phenomenon. When I first came to Thailand there were very few male tourists under 40 - except for the backpackers and they've always had their own hangouts. I rarely saw any trouble in those days. Thailand has become far more popular with younger tourists of all nationalities - they get rat ar5ed and violent. I've seen groups of Indian youths causing trouble with Thais, Germans fighting each other and Arabs being rude and violent towards Thai street vendors. Most of that is because they are a much younger group of tourists than we used to see. I have no idea what the mix of nationalities is in percentage terms but when I visit the bar areas most of the voices I hear are British. They may or not make up the largest group but despite what the TAT say, there's still a hell of a lot of younger Brits visiting and a large expat community so its not so unsual to find them in the news.

Then maybe you should read the entire post because that's exactly what I'm saying. However, it is not always as simple as you think it is. Its quite clear from the posts I've seen on here that some people have problems getting their landlord to register TM30 and didn't know they are most likely able to register themselves. Furthermore, members have reported that their immigration office would not accept them registering themselves. Therefore, armed with the Thai version of the official document, they should be able to demonstrate to their local immigration office that they can indeed, register themselves.

On several occasions I've seen posts on here where members have stated that their landlords refuse to register TM30 for them. You don't need to get your landlord to do it. Whilst going through some old documents I came across an English version of an amendement to the Thai Immigration Law in relation to TM30 registration. I seem to remember I found it as a result of a fight I had with Korat Immigration over whether or not I needed to get the registered owner of my property to register my TM30. I was successful in getting Korat Immigration to back down and let me register. The registered owner of my property lives 200km away and Korat required an 'in person' first registration - hence why I was prepared to fight. I can't remember where I got this document from - but it was most likely from this site or its predecessor - Thai Visa. The title on the document is: Immigration Act In the name of his Mejesty King Bhumibol Enacted on the 24Th of February B.E. 2522 The 34Th year of the present reign Wherease it is deemed proper to revise the Law on immigration I have a title on it of: Thai Visa, Immigration and Property Info/781542698_ImmigrationActB.E.2522(1979)en-immigration.pdf - that seems to suggest that I obtained it from Thai Visa, the old name for this website. I hold a registered Usufruct Agreement and my Thai lawyer advised me that as such, I am the House Master and the document appears to confirm that. The document though, also conveys that status to anyone who is a tenant. The URL for the document no longer works and it is not possible to post PDF's here. I would convert it to a jpg and post it that way but the entire document is 15 pages long so I'll just copy and paste the relevant sections. As I don't have a working URL, I cannot state that the information is official but I believe it to be so. If you are having any problems with your immigration office regarding this issue, the English version should only be used as a reference point. To convince your immigration office, you may need to find the original Thai version. I'd be happy to send a copy to any interested member by e-mail. The relevant sections are 4 and 38. 4 deals with the definition of House Master whilst 38 clearly states that the House Master must register the occupant. Clearly you will need either a copy of your lease or your Usufruct to accompany the document. From Section 4: “ House Master ” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act. Section 38: The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office located in that area , the local police official for that area must be notified. In case the house , dwelling place , or hotel where the alien has stayed under provision of Para.1 is located within the Bangkok area , such notification must be reported to the competent official at the Immigration Division. Making notification , in reference to the Para 1 and 2 of this Section , must comply with regulations prescribed by the Director General

I have some information that I believe may help people who are having problems registering for TM30. However, its in the form of a pdf which cannot be posted on here directly - only as a link. The link on the info no longer works. I would convert it to jpg in order to post it but there are 15 pages. I am unsure where I go it from - it may even have come from AN but as yet I cannot find an alternative URL. Do you think the sources you refer to above have will have English versions of the TM 30 regulations?

Those who learned English as a first language will understand the meaning of the term 'sarcasm is the lowest form of wit'. I think we both know why you Mr Maestro, do your very best to dis whatever I post but we won't go into that again will we? When I am wrong about something, I admit to it as soon as I become aware of the fact - whereas some people state that someone who has direct experience of a particular matter is talking jibberish. If I was in a position to, I would never, for example, remove every post a member had made on a particular subject simply because I considered it as 'false information' - even though that member (and others) had actually experienced the matter in question. Oddly, I have seen that done on AN.

Right, now I understand where all the confusion has come from. I read https://asean and until this moment have failed to see that its actually asean.org and not asean now - my apologies. However, you have both been banging on about me being an employee of a law firm after I stated that I wasn't. You also failed to recognise that I originally stated that I would accept that the law I referred to had been overridden when someone provided evidence that it had been. I have made it clear from the outset that the information I referred to was as I understood it from sources I researched and that to the best of my knowledge, sources that had not been superceeded by any officially provided source. As soon as that evidence was provided I did indeed accept it.

I think you know exactly what I mean. I was not prepared to do the search that I did many years ago when websites such as Asean Now didn't exist as it took me hours to find official versions of the laws. So I did a quick one off search on Google and the link I provided from an AN page came up - hence my statement 'from our own website' which was then misconstrued as me being an employee of the firm. I posted the link, I didn't even notice that it ended in .pdf. It was simply the result of a Google search

Having posted the same information 3 times but still being told I posted something completely different. I give in Mr Liquorice - if I just say you're right on all counts, will you go to sleep?

I most certainly did! Posted 5 hours ago, page 2, 3rd post down.

Absolutely - in fact a couple of years back, if you remember, the Police Chiefs of Bangkok and Pattaya got together and had a walkabout in Pattaya on evening. They declared that they did not find any sex for sale. I believed them.

I did not post a pdf download. I posted a link to an ASEAN NOW page that contained that PDF.

Jeez...............................I explained that yonks back. Without looking back, I'm also sure that I stated I was not a member of that company.

Have I not made it clear that by our own website I was quoting the link? In no way was I suggesting the information came from Asean Now - just that the URL pointed to it.

Again? Where have I said I'm a member of a law firm? More importantly, why are you still rattling on? I have accepted that the law has been overridden - should I await being shot at dawn?

Thanks for that it explains what I need but this is one of the reasons why I don't rely on information from commercial websites as fact: Section 10. Qualifications for Naturalization An alien who possesses the following qualifications may apply for naturalization as a Thai: becoming sui juris in accordance with Thai law and the law under which he has nationality; having good behavior; having regular occupation; having a domicile in the Thai Kingdom for a consecutive period of not less than five years till the day of filing the application for naturalization; having knowledge of Thai language as prescribed in the Regulations. Further down the document it states: Should the applicant for naturalization as a Thai, under paragraph one, have children who are not sui juris in accordance with Thai law, and who have a domicile in Thailand, he may concurrently apply for such naturalization for his children. In this case, such children shall be exempt from possessing the qualifications under Section 10 (1), (3), (4) and (5). Section 10 does not actually have numbered points, they are bulleted and there is only 4 of them.