mangkut70

Disneyland for adults (P4P). Found all over Southeast Asia. Emphasis on "for adults." Acting like a lovestruck teenager you only hurt yourself. And yet again…what proof do you have, that she told the truth now? Did you talk to the guy to verify the situation?? Maybe she just told you something she thought you are able to handle. Former customer and friend and new Iphone in Phuket surely sounds much better than for instance Indian gangbang in Patty.

well, you threw me off scent... So, she did p4p with a former customer? Phuket instead of Pattaya, CM or Chonburi? Who cares? How can p4p be far worse than p4p? It's same. It’s not even bad. It's just the normal life, to-be-expected-behaviour, nothing out of the ordinary.

And so it goes on. (and I was already preparing a concluding comment, silly me) Well my guess would be : either got married or more likely an abortion? I any case I recommend not to take anything she tells you at face value without hard proof. Especially anything with the potential to manipulate you .

200 Pages! 🤣 Yeah , time for fireworks to celebrate the spirit of this thread!

aeehhmmmm , actually Thai IDs state the name also in English Alphabet translation... So it's very possible he saw her real name.

still there and online. btw I found her easily after opening a new tf account (especially for that - no need in normal life) , filter for 24 years and browser TEXT search for "phuket" and she popped up quite on top. Sorry, but you opened the door to this yourself with all the info you gave about her tf account, age, city and punchline "My memory is short, but my love is long. 😝😝😝😝 don’t want meet for sex🙅🙅🙅🙅" etc. btw. In case she blocked you (what would explain why you can't see her or contact her) depending on website settings it might be more than just account block. the site easily could remember your PC / Handphone profile, IP etc. and even with a new account you are blocked if you use the same device and/or IP or pictures . Try using another device, clear your cache and cookies, use a different browser, with VPN and maybe the result is different.

Sorry to tell you, but i also see the profile live. Does not make a bit of difference though in your situation me thinks…

Have fun! And good luck! This surely will bring interesting insights. And probably another 200 pages here 😊

No way of knowing for sure. Language barriers, not having contact with her family — basically impossible to verify anything she tells. And with her repertoire of manipulating, ghosting and lying — all bets are off. The truth is sometimes brutal, like in a crazy story an acquaintance told me about his friend. This guy had already lived in Asia for a while, wasn’t gullible either. He had experienced his fair share of the usual bs before and knew exactly what he was looking for: a “good girl”, young, not long in the trade, no tattoos, no drugs, no kids, etc. So, he was absolutely over the moon when he met a 19-year-old beauty sitting shyly in the back of a bar, checking all his boxes. Sweetest girl ever, big love, great in bed, he took her out of the bar, living happily together, wedding plans etc. Then everything went drama and kaboooom. They visited her family in the countryside and some things didn’t add up. He got suspicious and — long story short — found out she used to work at the local brothel since age 14, and that her parents had basically sold her. No happy ending. The girl killed herself after he confronted her, and he went back to the village to burn down her family’s house, then fled the country afterwards. Stuff for an opera. Ignorance is a blessing sometimes. And Cameroni seems very blessed (well, giving the benefit of the doubt that all this 196 pages thread is not just a wind-up.)

She probably sits in Pattaya, coffee break between appointments, reading your texts and musing something along the line of “Why CM farang not send money and make so much problems. he no understands and destroy everything, I thought I had him. Such a party pooper,” Don’t you realize what kind of pressure you put on her and her childbearing hips? You've hurt her feelings so much, should go immediately to Pattaya, beg for her forgiveness, as tribute bring a new Iphone and at least 20k in cash. She just might forgive you and make some room for you between her other appointments. Godspeed!

trust through control and surveillance. Funny concept. Not surprised that this took yet another turn. Seems for you it’s always the blue pill.

sounds totally normal to me considering it is and always was p4p world

Because she seems to be great at what she does, and there's absolutely no reason not to have more fun with her, as long as you keep an eye on your wallet and your heart. Might be the beginning of a wonderful friendship 🤪, well if you accept what she is and don’t try to rescue or control her. In fact it seems you could learn a lot from her.

The moment your allowance is higher than what she could earn as a normal salary with normal work, the difference between these terms loses meaning. The difference for you: you obviously feel (morally?) more comfortable with one term than the other. But the fact that she receives a lot of money for staying with a customer/employer remains the same. If you won't provide enough $$$ she has no other choice than to find someone else (working on the side or leaving you completely). Simple as that. It's not a bad deal for the old guys and the financial power is with them, no matter if you call it allowance or salary. The question is rather — depending on your goals in life — if it's worth committing to a relationship, dealing with all the stress and bs coming with uneducated, immature and possessive girls and their greedy and demanding families. Being single in a p4p environment has its perks. Like someone told me a long time ago: "You don't pay for the sex but for them to leave peacefully afterwards."

It’s almost impossible to come clean if one is caught up in a whole web of lies, like you rightly think she is. Lies to others, lies to herself. If she is with another guy you can be sure she is lying to him too. And not just him and you, but probably to her family and friends as well. You remember the girl I mentioned who tried to get secretly married in Germany but also wanted to stay with me? After the wedding trip she really came back visiting me and thought it just could go on like nothing happened. We had a great couple of days together, but when she started to talk about the future – and she had it all figured out already, I put a stop to it. She only wanted to stay married until she got the citizenship, use the time in Germany to make a lot of money and afterwards wanted to be with me. Already planned the next trip to see me in a couple of months etc. I told her that’s not an option for me, now she is married and she should take care about her husband and stay with him, he invested a lot of money, she should be fair and try to make the best out of this situation, try to make it work. I felt really sorry for the guy. So, I broke up, whatever this relationship was. Painful, because I liked her a lot. But on the other hand I’ve had plenty of other options involving much less trouble. Later the evening I got a call from her best friend like “What did you do to her? She just sitting and crying all the time” I replied something like: “don’t you know she got just married in Germany? How can I be her boyfriend after this” and it turned out she did not tell anybody about this. Her friends did not even believe me at first. Not implying your Phuket girl is on that level, but in general lying, withholding information, scheming, manipulating, ghosting etc. is not a good basis for any relationship. I’m sure you know that.

I wonder... (and pls forgive me if I overread or missed it somewhere — I admit I didn't catch up on all the 184 pages). 1) Did she ever commit to an exclusive relationship with you (no matter $$$-based or not), based on monogamy and faithfulness or loyalty? I remember the OP and there it seemed she clearly stated she wanted to remain free, and you called it shameless. This would mean you blame her for behaving in a way she actually announced clearly. 2) Given you get the evidence she has been with other guys recently... what exactly would change? The way you describe your time with her — when she gave you her full attention — sounds like good value (for $$$ or not). Why not just take it as it is, enjoy the times together and forget about the rest? 3) In one of your enthusiastic texts about her you’ve mentioned her “child-bearing hips” and I couldn’t help but chuckle. Another place you call her lazy and not very educated. Do you fantasize about having kids with her? Do you realize that uneducated/lazy/kids is a bad combination?

After 183 pages I beg to differ

should actually be 400thb, since this is the minimum wage for a while already in this area. So either she is lying or she gets cheated. But no question . if you offer like 20k or 25k allowance that would be way more than she can make with any unskilled work. So if she likes/loves you plus you are the better deal, she should be with you already. Unless that would be a waste of time and she can make way more money doing the obvious.

No excuse. QR would be useful, you will be directed to the website and find the address there

Email: you have to look at the full header of the email (probably have to click somewhere depending on your provider, because normally the full header is hidden) then you look for something like "Originating IP" Once you have the IP you paste this information in some free IP location search website. It will show you the location. BUT its not 100% exact and its useless if someone uses a VPN. But different cities it should show clearly if no VPN is used. There is also a way to get the IP from a WhatsApp call. but she has to take the call.

These days most of the time focused on their phones instead on their customers. attention span not longer than a tiktok video. Someone who gives you their undivided attention and makes you feel like the most attractive, funniest, and important person in the world is the exception.

performers who make you believe that ... a rare breed indeed.

first line in every future post here should probably be: just for the sake of entertaining the idea that this is not a wind-up Do I understand correctly: You just want clarity and are prepared to finish it? I always went for: “Better an end with terror than terror without end.” There is no point to prolong something which is not working. You just lose time. And time is the most valuable thing you have in life. And there are plenty of other choices around to lick your wounds. So, the goal would be to meet up in person to sort this out? Like I wrote before, I would go to Chonburi Pattaya, check in a nice hotel, then let her know you are in town. It’s a win-win, even if she does not show; you did not waste your time and can have some fun. You always can spice it up with something sexy like “Let’s get you a new phone! Where we meet?”

depends on your budget, me thinks. How much are you able and willing to spend now to get clarity? how much regularly for long term in case you can convince her to move in? Personally, I feel more and more like this is a wind-up, although also absolutely possible that the story and your hormone induced blindness are real. You would not be the first one, nor the last one to experience something like this. You really believe - after all you know and witnessed - there is the slightest chance that she works in a cafe or restaurant for 400 thb per day?

IMO nothing to do with stupid. Can happen to otherwise most clever & educated people. Have witnessed it many times. heart and ego are the vulnerable parts. Western moral ethical beliefs turn against you in this situation. brain shuts down in shock. Nothing prepares ppl coming from the western wastelands for whats waiting in LOS and other Asian countries. If you try to help a friend with advice in such situation its more likely he will turn against you than "his" lovebird. Many have to experience it several times until they get it. Even worse if they -unlike Cameroni- grasp what these girls are and try to "save" them.