Stiddle Mump

Have to ask; ''what are vaccines for?'' Te definition has changed down the years. Usually to fit in with the virologists wishes, no doubt. But before we consider the vax, any vax, should we not ask what on earth are they for? Another question that springs to mind; ''do we have an immune system?'' And! ''Can the body learn?'' Or, as I believe, it is more of a maintenance system, that depends upon being well nourished to function as it should.. If the body cannot learn Then what is the point of filling it with toxic junk to prevent something? And the theory of viruses should also be examined, openly, through science, rather than money. What actually is disease? These questions should be discussed/debated/addressed openly before vaccines even get a mention. Or, we could be putting the cart before the horse. And, of course we are doing just that; at the behest of Big Pharma/money. Nature has the answers we seek.

A walk though a graveyard 100 years ago would see mark ups of many 90 to 105 deaths. At the some time there were some awful medical practices going on, that resulted in as many as as half the infants not making it to 5 years of age. Averages don't tell the story. Some of the biggest leaps forward in improved heath, came with public health measures. Garbage collections, sewerage systems and plumbing. Unfortunately the Big Pharma health system came in at the turn of the 20th. Industry created new hazards, Farming went yield crazy, ruining the food for billions. Are we healthier now than 150 years ago? I doubt it. We have certainly put money before nature. And that, when all said and done, is what we are an intricate part of. I'm pretty sure, that if we took the road to nature, instead of the Big Pharma pathway of unending medical interventions, we would be healthier and happier. And the only part of the hospitals we would need is the A & E.

You are nature Richard. Nature is you, Just as much as trees, elephants and chickens. You are coming at the subject of health on a completely different path to me. The body has evolved to do basic things. Protect itself, grow, reproduce and then protect the babe; as it was itself protected. Given the tools, the body will maintain itself to keep in the best of health. It will heal itself, and whatever it does, is for the goodness of itself. When symptoms arise, they are the body putting right something that is amiss. The white-coats would have us believe that there is an entity, called a virus, behind every tree, round each corner, just waiting to pounce. And of course if/when they do, a vaxx, created in a factory will sort it. I don't subscribe to that view one little bit. You can insult me all you want, but the truth is there for anyone to see. Just have to open eyes and mind. But I will say Richard, that you do attempt to discuss; unlike some others. Nature has the answers we seek.

I'm pro-nature Richard. Thought that might be obvious.

Nature would say to take care of yourself. Eat nutritious food. Stay away for vaccines. An apple a day - keeps the doctor away.

Why not debate Will bud? Instead of posting silly-billy comments.

Absolute, monumental hogwash Richard. Don't know where you copied that from, but, if you think that, you, and they, are wrong, Influenza is a natural body function. It is not a disease. it is certainly not caused by some mysterious entity called a virus. There is a reason for the different symptoms of the flu. They do a good maintenance job.. Just like the leaves falling off the tree, to allow fresh growth. Nature has the answers we seek.

Don't give in Will bud. Stay on the thread and learn. I explained to you on another thread what the flu, measles and polio were, and what they were caused by, Your fixation on the mysterious virus is worrying. Are there any others like you out there? Do some research man. Turn off the tv. CNN and the BBC will survive without you. Nature has the answers we seek.

Always strings attached to this type of help. A much healthier third world would soon emerge.

The conditions of measles. The conditions of the flu. The symptoms of these complaints are seen as conditions. They are NOT diseases. And not caused by any virus.

In computer lingo. Garbage in - garbage out.

I don't agree with you Sir. TBH, with you bud, I'm coming round to reckoning that many - if not most - of the 'diseases' out there, are our own making. Most conditions that are labeled 'disease' by the white-coats, are nothing of the sort.

Just who do this unscientific CDC rabble think they are? I agree with the OP that this should have been done on day one. Jeez! C'om Kennedy; get some action going. You have the authority; get with it.

I asked it to get me help on the farm. I went there this afternoon. And what?! No help! Had to dig the hole myself.

I did explain what the three conditions were caused by. Did you not read that far Sir? It might come as a surprise to you, that some very learned doctors, and scientists, also believe as I, and others on this platform, that vaccines are not safe, not effective, and not necessary. Would you say they talk nonsense? Or are stupid? It is you Sir, who is guilty of burying your head in the sand, not do meaningful research, and simply echo MSM. Nature has all the answers we seek.